[Lillie_Steins]

LEARNED GENTLEMEN-
We are having more number of Gods than in any part of the world. I have been thinking why so much God for us for our upliftment. Recently I read an article of Chathurvarnam wherein it is mentioned as Brahmin (duty-pooja worhsip etc) Kshethriya (duty-to fight and save country) Vysya (duty-business and earn money) and Sudra (duty to do labour work) are the four types . If we take entire world we can see that in some part of the world Like africa etc people are more physically strengthened and able to do labour work with their stamina. Whereas in some countries like Amrica.Russia where they are able to do business (from petrol to rocket) and other parts of the world are dependent on them for survival. Whereas in part of the world like Isrel or Japan where people are having more energy to fight and also are having more national spirit. Hence I feel that God had taken our entire world as one and implemented Chathurvarnam. We mistook them the sameand began to create caste in between us.

Also for an interview from lower post to next grade one or two supervisors will do Whereas for higher posts more trainers are required and more examinations to get passed. Hence we are having more Gods Hence in other part of workd only messengers are there and god in our country . Your comments please

[Lt_Apple]

LEARNED GENTLEMEN-
We are having more number of Gods than in any part of the world. I have been thinking why so much God for us for our upliftment. Recently I read an article of Chathurvarnam wherein it is mentioned as Brahmin (duty-pooja worhsip etc) Kshethriya (duty-to fight and save country) Vysya (duty-business and earn money) and Sudra (duty to do labour work) are the four types . If we take entire world we can see that in some part of the world Like africa etc people are more physically strengthened and able to do labour work with their stamina. Whereas in some countries like Amrica.Russia where they are able to do business (from petrol to rocket) and other parts of the world are dependent on them for survival. Whereas in part of the world like Isrel or Japan where people are having more energy to fight and also are having more national spirit. Hence I feel that God had taken our entire world as one and implemented Chathurvarnam. We mistook them the sameand began to create caste in between us.

Also for an interview from lower post to next grade one or two supervisors will do Whereas for higher posts more trainers are required and more examinations to get passed. Hence we are having more Gods Hence in other part of workd only messengers are there and god in our country . Your comments please

Mr. Subramanian,
Please do a search of TB site for the query before you post. This question has been asked before.

The Vedas exclaim from time immemorial, Ekam Sat Vipra Bahudha Vadanti, Existence is One, Sages call it by different Names Rig Veda, 1-164-146. God, Brahman, Allah, Isvara, Jehovah, Ahuramazda, etc., are one. I offer my worship to that Supreme Being the One eternal homogeneous essence, indivisible mass of bliss and intelligence whom sages describe in a variety of ways through diversity of intellect.

[Peptobismol]

Both suki sivam and sri sri Muralidhar swamiji have once mentioned that we have to trust one god and do pooja to him. But I feel it is not practically possible. If that is so How I can celebrate all the festivals in a year (Ganesh chadurthi, varalkshimi viradham, deepavali, etc.) May be we can be upasagar of one god but we cannot leave the other gods.

[HedgeYourBets]

the point iwantg tostress was that more gods are here onlybecause allindians are brahmins and hence to upgrade usthere are more gods.

[LottiFurmann]

the point iwantg tostress was that more gods are here onlybecause allindians are brahmins and hence to upgrade usthere are more gods.

Mr. Subramanian,
I am not trying to offend you, but what is your true identity?
You are not a Hindu, because you make preposterous statement about "all Indians".
And obviously you have no concept of God.

[Raj_Copi_Jin]

Precisely because " yaepyanya devathaa bhakthaaha yajanthey shraddhayaanvithaaha, taepi maamaeva kaunteya yajantyavidhi poorvakam"

Mr. Subramanian,
I am not trying to offend you, but what is your true identity?
You are not a Hindu, because you make preposterous statement about "all Indians".
And obviously you have no concept of God.

[Lillie_Steins]

It is a mis-conception that we have "more gods". Let me tell you on the assumption that the so called "Hinduism" is the oldest. Christianity and Islam came much later. When the enlightened or their disciples came to India they found or came to know here people are praying too to some one or some many. Yet, they started establishing their own beliefs as if we have had not enough. And lot of people fell for new gods. More gods are the same god and his manifestations have been perceived in many forms in different times. If one goes to the basic of Hinduism one will find only one god, origin-less, endless, formless and not conceptualised to compel to believe in Him or Her or It or anything. "Sarva Deva Namaskarah keshavam pratigachchati". This "Keshavam" is not the god of Vaishnavites alone, nor of others. This "Keshava" is Shiva, Muruga, Ganpaty, Bhagwati, Kali, Bhavani, Paarvathy, Vaishnodevi, and so on. There are many saints preaching spiritualism and hence 'more gods' are likely to 'surface'. Because Hinduism is a dynamic system to sustain the spirit of God. Eeshwara, Allah, Thero Naam, subko sunmathi dhe Bhagwan....Sachin Tendulkar is supposed as God, Kushboo for one, Amitabh Bhachchan, Ambedkar,..... God is One and the One will manifest every where as He Wills.

[HedgeYourBets]

DEAR SIR, i do not knowwhy manyh get offended when questioned? Let me tell you that treat me as a humanbeing -? When in christian or muslim (other major religions) only messengers are there only inHinduisam we have god? This in my idea is to upgrade we people in this part of country . Iam of the opinion that this concept of all indian are brahmins does only to stress the point that moksha canbe attained for indians as we are supported /guided by Gods more than in any other part of the world. The chaturvarnam whichis for whole workd is mistook byus tothe subcontinent of India alone.
dear vasuchek can you explainwhat you meant by the sloka you mentioned?

[doctorzlo]

the point iwantg tostress was that more gods are here onlybecause allindians are brahmins and hence to upgrade usthere are more gods.

Dear Mr. krs:

Will you kindly inform the members here about your basic qualifications?Because of the way you ask questions, an impression occurs that you have basically self-coached yourself or learned it from a person of non-Hindu background. Your clarification would help some of us decide the level at which our replies can help you to clearly understand our answers to your question. In fact, Mr.Prasad's response above is similar to what passes through my mind also. If you really want to be helped, you have to describe your background and present career status.
We know you are from Thrissur, Kerala.

[Ifroham4]

Dear KR Subramaniam ji,

I really find it hard to divide the world into Caturvarna continents/subcontinents/countries.
Sattva,Rajas and Tamas individuals can be found in any country/race/religion.

Even in a family of three children each child can have Sattva/Rajas/Tamas Guna in varying proportions.
Not everyone will be the carbon copy of one another.
Even identical twins can be as different as night and day in terms of their individual Gunas.

I also dont see the need to "upgrade" everyone in India to Brahminhood.
Is it really needed?
The purpose of religion and self realization is to discard any bodily identification and not add on anything more than what we are already born in.

[Lt_Apple]

Dear KR Subramaniam ji,

This is the Shloka which was mentioned by Vasuchak Ji in his post.
Its from the Bhagavad Gita:


ye 'py anya-devatā-bhaktāyajante śraddhayānvitāḥte 'pi māmevakaunteyayajanty avidhi-pūrvakam

SYNONYMSye — those who; api — also; anya — of other; devatā — gods; bhaktāḥ — devotees; yajante — worship; śraddhayāanvitāḥ — with faith; te — they; api — also; mām — Me; eva — only; kaunteya — O son of Kuntī; yajanti — they worship; avidhi-pūrvakam — ina wrong way.

TRANSLATIONThose who are devotees of other gods and who worship them with faith actually worship only Me, O son of Kuntī, but they do so in a wrong way.



http://vedabase.net/bg/9/23/

[Slonopotam845]

Dear KR Subramaniam ji,

This is the Shloka which was mentioned by Vasuchak Ji in his post.
Its from the Bhagavad Gita:


ye 'py anya-devatā-bhaktāyajante śraddhayānvitāḥte 'pi māmevakaunteyayajanty avidhi-pūrvakam

SYNONYMSye — those who; api — also; anya — of other; devatā — gods; bhaktāḥ — devotees; yajante — worship; śraddhayāanvitāḥ — with faith; te — they; api — also; mām — Me; eva — only; kaunteya — O son of Kuntī; yajanti — they worship; avidhi-pūrvakam — ina wrong way.

TRANSLATIONThose who are devotees of other gods and who worship them with faith actually worship only Me, O son of Kuntī, but they do so in a wrong way.



Bhagavad-gita As It Is Chapter 9 Verse 23

avidhi-pūrvakam — has been translated by Bhaktivedanta Swamy as “in a wrong way”.
But Sri Sankaracharya translates it as “not according to prescribed rules”, which according to the prevailing standards of those days, would have meant “not according to Vedic injunctions”
IMHO, using the phrase “wrong way” goes against the grain of the Gita.

[softy54534]

avidhi-pūrvakam — has been translated by Bhaktivedanta Swamy as “in a wrong way”.
But Sri Sankaracharya translates it as “not according to prescribed rules”, which according to the prevailing standards of those days, would have meant “not according to Vedic injunctions”
IMHO, using the phrase “wrong way” goes against the grain of the Gita.

Take a look at this:

Bhagavad-Gita: Chapter 9, Verse 23

[Slonopotam845]

Take a look at this:

Bhagavad-Gita: Chapter 9, Verse 23

I am not impressed. This website translates it in an even stranger way:"unauthorized" ?

[Drugmachine]

I am not impressed. This website translates it in an even stranger way:"unauthorized" ?

So now you understand the Disclaimer :Ekam Sat Viprah Bahuda Vadanti?

[Peptobismol]

So now you understand the Disclaimer :Ekam Sat Viprah Bahuda Vadanti?

Of course, but that was not the point of discussion.

[LottiFurmann]

dear renukaji
My point was that those in India do have more opportunity for upgradation than in other part of the country. we neednot divide ourself in chathurvarna in this holy land of bharath. I doagree that the gunas vary individual to individual. but the scope is more here in bharath than in any other part of world.
regarding the question of others please treat me as a lay man

[9mm_fan]

dear renukaji
My point was that those in India do have more opportunity for upgradation than in other part of the country. we neednot divide ourself in chathurvarna in this holy land of bharath. I doagree that the gunas vary individual to individual. but the scope is more here in bharath than in any other part of world.
regarding the question of others please treat me as a lay man

Dear sir,

To a certain extent I have to agree with you cos Avatars and sages have walked Bharath but I feel each individual in this world has taken birth to work out his/her own Karma.

Sir even if we do not divide everyone in this nation into Caturvarna and just have only one varna still there will be classes.

I will give you an example:

See Obesity is a medical condition and can be divided into Class I,Class II and Class III obesity.
So we humans will surely find someway to classify ourselves yet again.

Thats why I dont give Varna much importance and thought and rather spend my time thinking how to improve my understanding of God and Religion.

Believe me sir..humans can only be united when we have an Alien from outer space attack us.
Till then we are as different as our finger prints.

[NeroASERCH]

I am not impressed. This website translates it in an even stranger way:"unauthorized" ?

Am i missing something? That web link works well for me. Where does it say 'unauthorized'? I am sure, I am missing something.

Cheers!

[brraverishhh]

Believe me sir..humans can only be united when we have an Alien from outer space attack us. I doubt it. Humans may not be united even under such circumstances. In fact, such circumstances would show more of the ugly face of human behaviours. To save their own skins, even if it is only for few minutes longer, humans would not hesitate to put others in risk. Remember, it just takes one person to betray 100s of his/her clan.