[softy54534]

I agree with vgane. I am also pained to read about anti-brahmin terades in this so-called tamil-brahmin forum. let us cleanse it. I do not want this forum should be a platform to critisize other communities but aleast let this forum need not be an anti-brahmin forum. every brahmin family in Tamilnadu had undergone some humuliation sometime or other; one cannot forget. It becomes a fashion even for a brahmin to say that he has thrown his poonal. well, let us promote brahmin culture. thanks

[softy54534]

Dear Sri. Vgane, Greetings.

I think we have discussed enough...By such logical & elaborate discussion where are we going...We are good at giving advice and discussing issues thread bare...Where is the action... I refer to your message in post #14.

If we are serious about improving the brahmin community, for that matter any community, firstly we must empower the youngsters of that community.

The youngsters should be allowed freedom in choosing their future. They should be supported, because those youngsters future would ultimately become that communities future too. They should be able to comfortably discuss any issue or any half baked plan or work in progress with the parents/elders without fearing any criticism. We want them to excel in their chosen fields; they ought to excel in their life too.

The yesteryears generations did not allow such freedom to the youngsters. Most of the members were youngsters who went through regimentally controlled childhood. Personally my father wrote me off long back ...' சினிமா கொட்டாய்ல முறுக்கு விக்கத்தாண்டா நீ லாயக்கு " .. that was my father's prediction about my future career when I was young.

We expect way too much from our children. Not only that, if our relatives, friends or neighbours allow freedom to their children, we don't tolerate that. We pass comments like ..'என்னப்பா? மகனை தண்ணி தெளிச்சு உட்டுட்டயா?control பண்ணணும்பா!' we as a community should move away from such practices. Since we have been practicising this kind of controlling for many many generations, fear for elders and others is built in our system. I allowed my son to grow as he wished, just keeping my presence around to help/guide him if he required it. He knew he had full freedom to do anything legal and ethical. He is doing well with 6 digit annual salary and all... still he fears me! He agrees I never caused it but says it is kind of built in. I shall write about the youngsters I met duruing my recent trip to India later.

That is the difficulty in the brahmin community. There is a built in fear. Unless one overcomes fear, one can't really succeed.

More as we discuss further. Feedbacks are welcome, please.

Cheers!

[Paul Bunyan]

Hi Renuka,

Sorry have to respectfully disagree with you !. Today the politcs is totally polarized against TBs because of the hatred etc..

In this situation, the best option for Brams is NOT to stand up & fight with these guys. It will only make the situation worse.

we need to do what exactly the jews have done - Unite, Organise, Money, Power - Leverage them & control all aspects of the society - banks, money markets, political funding, news, etc.. so that we can shut all these crapping mouths !!

Cheers,
JK
PS: I posted this earlier but somehow "got deleted" - atleast if it is going to be deleted, let me know the reason !!. Lets pl continue to keep the torch of freedom burning - and allow "voices that standup for Brahmins" to continue in this forum at least !! I mean you have named as TB.com !!

[S.T.D.]

I just want our Friends and Well wishers of our Community to see my opinion 324 in Self Respect Moment Topic. The very same post may be applicable for this also.

The Torture,Hatred, aversion showed on us (Brahmins) by EVR,DK,DMK,Karunanithi on those days to till date is un forgetable.

Even today he uses to Point out Muppiri Nool in all his comment against Brahmins.

If a Corruption Charge is imposed on Him he immediately respond to it as It is the Charge framed against him by the Muppiri Nool and want to escape from those charges.

He is now 87 and EVR passed away at his 95th age.

Any one can imagine how our Community is Ill Treated by those 2 leaders. Nearly for a solid 100 years our community is particularly attacked purposely.

Hitler (mis) ruled for some few years against a Particular class of People.

Saddam particularly attacked a Particular class of people (Sunny Muslims) for just few years.

But we are Tortured for nearly 100 years. So the wound also will exist for some more years.

[Paul Bunyan]

Hitler (mis) ruled for some few years against a Particular class of People.

Saddam particularly attacked a Particular class of people (Sunny Muslims) for just few years.

But we are Tortured for nearly 100 years. So the wound also will exist for some more years.

this is what NARA is also citing all along, asking people to do an introspection and find the answer to this Why? Why this century long hatred, and the graph is moving up tangentially, with no sign of plummeting?

[softy54534]

this is what NARA is also citing all along, asking people to do an introspection and find the answer to this Why? Why this century long hatred, and the graph is moving up tangentially, with no sign of plummeting?

Shiv, with all due respect, I think the Brams have done far too much introspection. we need to assert ourselves politically & economically. Meek will always perish - nature's way !!

I will be the first to lead the march against caste discrimination by any Brahmin hand in hand with our dalit brothers, but I will also strongly condemn this "reverse discrimination". I am sure most if not all the Brahmins will do the same !!

Cheers,
JK

[S.T.D.]

Dear Raghy

your post # 22:

Repeatedly discussing the same topic is necessitated by the repeated, relentless attacks by enemies of the community. All the rebuttals are the cry in agony of a microscopic minority community in the face of repeated attacks mounted on its very existence, identity and culture. In Kerala there is a christian denomination called Syrian christians. I have a few friends from that community. They say they have a system of conducting classes for youngsters in the marriageable age who are employed and are ready for marriage. The boys and girls in this category are encouraged by the parents to attend regular Sunday classes in the church. These classes are not Bible classes. They are sessions in which Psychiatrists, Doctors, religious teachers and vocational guidance specialists take classes. In these teaching sessions the children are told that they belong to a community among christians which is unique with a unique culture and value system which they should never compromise. They are also taught the pitfalls which they may encounter in their work life like falling in love with boys/girls from other communities and religions etc and how to avoid getting into such nasty situations. They are taught by the Doctors that at their age love is just pheromones, hormones and a lot of imagination. They are taught by psychiaatrists how to look at themselves standing aside to understand the emotions that drive them at any moment to get a clear understanding of their emotions. My friends say that this has helped many young men and women to remain good syrian christians. They marry within their community, avoid emotional upheavels and discord in the family and are successful in their life. Can brahmins try some such thing to preserve their unique culture and value system? I am addressing this to you because you have raised a point about the bringing up of children. I would not address this to those who have settled down outside India where they have different kind of compulsions and may have to necessarily marry others. But in India this can work. We (the brahmins) have no malice or hatred towards any one but we would like to live our lives peacefully and happily within our domain. We will determine what to do for that and no one else has any locus standi to tell us how we should change or disappear from the scene as a community.

Cheers.

[Ifroham4]

Dear Raghy

your post # 22:

Repeatedly discussing the same topic is necessitated by the repeated, relentless attacks by enemies of the community. All the rebuttals are the cry in agony of a microscopic minority community in the face of repeated attacks mounted on its very existence, identity and culture. In Kerala there is a christian denomination called Syrian christians. I have a few friends from that community. They say they have a system of conducting classes for youngsters in the marriageable age who are employed and are ready for marriage. The boys and girls in this category are encouraged by the parents to attend regular Sunday classes in the church. These classes are not Bible classes. They are sessions in which Psychiatrists, Doctors, religious teachers and vocational guidance specialists take classes. In these teaching sessions the children are told that they belong to a community among christians which is unique with a unique culture and value system which they should never compromise. They are also taught the pitfalls which they may encounter in their work life like falling in love with boys/girls from other communities and religions etc and how to avoid getting into such nasty situations. They are taught by the Doctors that at their age love is just pheromones, hormones and a lot of imagination. They are taught by psychiaatrists how to look at themselves standing aside to understand the emotions that drive them at any moment to get a clear understanding of their emotions. My friends say that this has helped many young men and women to remain good syrian christians. They marry within their community, avoid emotional upheavels and discord in the family and are successful in their life. Can brahmins try some such thing to preserve their unique culture and value system? I am addressing this to you because you have raised a point about the bringing up of children. I would not address this to those who have settled down outside India where they have different kind of compulsions and may have to necessarily marry others. But in India this can work. We (the brahmins) have no malice or hatred towards any one but we would like to live our lives peacefully and happily within our domain. We will determine what to do for that and no one else has any locus standi to tell us how we should change or disappear from the scene as a community.

Cheers.

This is a fantastic suggestion...We should plan the nittygritties & start these classes immediately...We should involve the parents first & spread this message...We need to device a curriculum and identify volunteers who can be the faculty for this...These classes would definitely help the community to meet the challenges of modern life without compromising tradition...The more we delay more is the harm that gets inflicted on the community...This would help the brahmins to come out their own cocoons, face the challenges in the world and move forward....

[radikal]

Hi VGane, Suraju,

you can do this as a Virtual Community - Online training for all Brams. Maybe TB.com can host this !!

Cheers,
JK

[Slonopotam845]

Dear Shivkc

Your post #25:

this is what NARA is also citing all along, asking people to do an introspection and find the answer to this Why? Why this century long hatred, and the graph is moving up tangentially, with no sign of plummeting? Introspection-yes. Hanging our head in shame and accepting the blame for centuries of atrocities committed by every caste joining together-No. The member you have mentioned demands the later and that is why all this argument though he packages it in the language of introspection for the purpose of presentation. The community doing introspection is a continuous process and it has come a long way with many reforms in its history due to developments in science and technology and the march of time. The century long continuing hatred if it is there is because of envy, that raw emotion which can cause havoc. It is a given fact that brahmins score handsomely in whichever field they work. The community's contribution to humanity is disproportionately high in comparison with its numbers. This naturally leave a trail of envy and heartburn which eventually gets converted into hatred when a Hitler like maniac manipulator comes on the political scene. Now how do we handle this? In behavioral science there is a method of handling an individual who enters into a transaction with you from a rebellious child ego state when you are in an adult ego state. Keep your cool and continue to speak and behave as an adult. And keep your fingers crossed.

[S.T.D.]

I feel in this forum there is a lot of "insecurity" about things which do not apparently glorify brahmins. Reality stares at all of us, including our children and it is there for everyone to see (and experience) that brahmins as a class have become extremely marginalized and inconsequential in the present day India. In this respect, even this very forum with its name tamilbrahmins.com may look laughable for many NBs who stumble upon this site!

It is therefore necessary that we discuss what EVR told about brahmins and, more important than that, why he told such things. I have seen some past discussions on this topic and in all of them, the immediate reaction to any mention of EVR is like he is a demon or rAkshasa and, as scripture-believing brahmins, we will expect the god to take one more avataara and undo whatever harm EVR has caused to brahmin hegemony. Such an attitude is not good, imho. Let us learn what EVR told about brahmins, what made him say those things and see whether some change in brahmin attitude to society is desirable.

[Ifroham4]

Sarma said -

I feel in this forum there is a lot of "insecurity" about things which do not apparently glorify brahmins. Are you surprised? This is a brahmins forum; they should feel insecure about things that don't glorify their community. I don't know about others, personally I welcome this reaction. I sincerely hope this feelings develop further so that they can formulate a plan to counter charlatans. By the way, brahmin community was marginalised all the time. It is not new.

Cheers!

[Slonopotam845]

Dear Sri. Raju, Greetings.

We (the brahmins) have no malice or hatred towards any one but we would like to live our lives peacefully and happily within our domain. Living peacefully and happily may not possible if others show hatred against one's community. Say, for example 'Amish' community wants to live on their own. They don't even use electricity, telephone, car or anything... there is hatred even towards that community. Sometimes a community has to develop strategies just to stay in peace.

We will determine what to do for that and no one else has any locus standi to tell us how we should change or disappear from the scene as a community. Personally I feel, brahmin community has not done much to determine what to do. They have to unite first and workout a plan. All the other communities are united and they have the vote bank power too. Brahmin community is neither united nor have the vote bank power. They have to change that equation.

I am aware of the counselling camps for their youngsters amoung Jehovah Witnesses. I know about Syrian Christians, did not know about the details of their counselling camps.

Can brahmins try some such thing to preserve their unique culture and value system? I am addressing this to you because you have raised a point about the bringing up of children. Thanks for bringing this up. I don't live in India. But I know very well, such camps will help the youngsters of the community. Such camps are conducted in other communities too. Once I was spending the whole day in Chennai city with my friend; he excused himself for 2 hours to attend a community meeting.... I was not allowed entry to that meeting! (That never bothered me; he came back after the meeting and we continued enjoying ourselves). So, such meetings are not to be dismissed; they are very effective.

I am a humanist. I care for anyone and everyone, when ever possible. I am more than happy to participate in such an effort. I met some of the youngsters during my recent trip; they are hungry for directions. This kind of effort will certainly take off amoung youngsters.

Cheers!

[doctorzlo]

Hi Renuka,

Sorry have to respectfully disagree with you !. Today the politcs is totally polarized against TBs because of the hatred etc..

In this situation, the best option for Brams is NOT to stand up & fight with these guys. It will only make the situation worse.

we need to do what exactly the jews have done - Unite, Organise, Money, Power - Leverage them & control all aspects of the society - banks, money markets, political funding, news, etc.. so that we can shut all these crapping mouths !!

Cheers,
JK
PS: I posted this earlier but somehow "got deleted" - atleast if it is going to be deleted, let me know the reason !!. Lets pl continue to keep the torch of freedom burning - and allow "voices that standup for Brahmins" to continue in this forum at least !! I mean you have named as TB.com !!

There is nothing wrong in this...North India politics is controlled by the Vaishya-Baniyas who control the levers of power through money power, funding parties, controlling all the major businesses and news channels...The future elections are going to fought by power of media & money...Unless you control them you cannot win...That is the hard reality.

[TorryJens]

Sri. Jakay, Greetings.

I refer to your post #23.

Sorry have to respectfully disagree with you !. Today the politcs is totally polarized against TBs because of the hatred etc..

In this situation, the best option for Brams is NOT to stand up & fight with these guys. It will only make the situation worse.

we need to do what exactly the jews have done.... Jews stood up and fought. They fought in every conflict. They fought against every pograms. They physically fought each and every time.

When they were forced to form a country for themselves, they formed 'Haganah'. Ben gurion lead Haganah at times.

Haganah - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

David Ben-Gurion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Do you want to follow Jewish example to fight back? That's what I am talking about too!

Cheers!