[TorryJens]

Certainly I do not want enter in this unsavoury dialogue but Mr Prasad looks that he has a set of mind. I wonder if he is really know what is the secular. He disputes Mr Sarang. well, things are not as he see. I have very good muslim friends. I dont need Mr Prasad's advise. if one stands in front of Somnath Temple, Mathura, Ayothya and Kasi temples, to quote few, one can understand the atrocities done by the particular community. If Mr Prasad see the present Govt.as secular, God bless him. but I certainly desire that this Forum does not allow people to use unparliamentary language. here, everyone is matured and well educated

[S.T.D.]

if one stands in front of Somnath Temple, Mathura, Ayothya and Kasi temples, to quote few, one can understand the atrocities done by the particular community.

Dear Sudheshwer, the common muslims of today cannot be held responsible for whatever atrocities happened several centuries before during wars and invasions, eventhough those invasions might have happened in the name of religion. These type of indiscriminate attacks will dilute the argument against communal appeasement and discrimination.

[brraverishhh]

The following is a quote from a website : Readhere

“…If you were intent on bringing down a powerful rival whose philosophy, as originally founded, was strong, independent and entirely opposite from your own—a country that you would not want to confront militarily—how would you go about it? The answer is simple; orchestrate the society’s destruction from within.

Although possibly taking longer than a military victory and requiring great patience, the damage would be just as effective if not more so. When you destroy from within, you do it by using that country’s own people, no blood is spilled in combat and the physical infrastructure is left intact.

In any country, there are but a few key areas that determine how the citizens mature, live, and develop their beliefs. These are the focal points that must be attacked, ... refer….... to this concept as attacking the center of gravity.

The center of gravity is that key element, if controlled or destroyed, would most hurt your opponent and is the critical factor in achieving your objective. In this case, when taking control of or destroying a country from within, the key is to attack and control the mind of the inhabitants—you must shape the way people view life and the values upon which their life is based. Shape the mind and you control their direction. Control their direction and you can lead them down a pathway to hell….”

This is also the perspective behind “evangelicals” of Abrahamic religion(s) trying to win converts among Hindus, so that the religion can be destroyed from within. Indian secularists are no different.

[Lillie_Steins]

Mr. Sarang,
What world do you live in!!!!
You are talking of an utopia not a work in progress. Name me one country that will meet your conditions. Actually you can not even name a state, a city that will be as pure as you want it to be. Even you with your clear Anti-Muslim bias have shown that you can not be unbiased. We all can have our private view (which may not be the national view), but our public view has to be in line with the national view. India is going to be multi-cultural, multi-language, and multi-religious society, whether we like it or not. If we accept that premise, then there is no reason to be openly hostile to a community.

I am definitely anti-Pakistan, and defiantly anti-paki supporting persons of any religion, that is because they are anti-India.

Dear Sri. Prasad, Greetings.

I have no intention of answering for Sri. Sarang. He would be quite capable of it himself.

But, I like to mention my opinions in this subject, please. India is not a secular country. It is only a lip service. She calls herself secular while she is far from being secular. Secular does not mean minority population gets adavantages at the expense of majority population; but that is exactly what happens in India at all levels.

If someone is donating money, it is the courtsy for the person collecting the donation to make the amount accountable.

There are countries governed fair and equitably. For example, I live in one such country. No, sir, India is not a secular country.

Cheers!

[Slonopotam845]

All the self styled seculars I have meet, only discuss about how Hindus should be tolerant and accomodative. They have nothing
to advice to the other communities on how they should treat the Hindus and what they should expect in a land that should be predominantly Hindus.

Let me summarize that for you.

Self styled secularist want Hindus to be இளிச்சவாய் s

[Beerinkol]

Dear Sudheshwer, the common muslims of today cannot be held responsible for whatever atrocities happened several centuries before during wars and invasions, eventhough those invasions might have happened in the name of religion. These type of indiscriminate attacks will dilute the argument against communal appeasement and discrimination.

Yes, but only if they stay neutral or fair opinioned. Not if they justify them and continue to hold grievance or allegiance

[doctorzlo]

Dear Sri. Prasad, Greetings.

I have no intention of answering for Sri. Sarang. He would be quite capable of it himself.

But, I like to mention my opinions in this subject, please. India is not a secular country. It is only a lip service. She calls herself secular while she is far from being secular. Secular does not mean minority population gets adavantages at the expense of majority population; but that is exactly what happens in India at all levels.

If someone is donating money, it is the courtsy for the person collecting the donation to make the amount accountable.

There are countries governed fair and equitably. For example, I live in one such country. No, sir, India is not a secular country.

Cheers!

I have no argument with your statement, on the contrary I agree with you. The implementation has gone wrong because of the vote bank politics. I am against quota of any sort. I am not condoning the government for mollycoddling of minorities (muslims). But do I hold the community responsible for the crimes of the government?
That is why I wrote against Mr. Sudheswer's comment, which is against a community in general. I know he had a muslim friend. It used to said in the old west of America, that "the good Indian is the dead Indian".
India is never going to be a Hindu nation, so no point in marginalizing an entire community. It needs to be balanced goes without saying. Unfortunately policies differ from practice.

I see I am antagonizing my friends, but I am not that far from their views. It is just that it looks bad to bash your own countrymen in public site.

[LottiFurmann]

I have no argument with your statement, on the contrary I agree with you. The implementation has gone wrong because of the vote bank politics. I am against quota of any sort. I am not condoning the government for mollycoddling of minorities (muslims). But do I hold the community responsible for the crimes of the government?
That is why I wrote against Mr. Sudheswer's comment, which is against a community in general. I know he had a muslim friend. It used to said in the old west of America, that "the good Indian is the dead Indian".
India is never going to be a Hindu nation, so no point in marginalizing an entire community. It needs to be balanced goes without saying. Unfortunately policies differ from practice.

I see I am antagonizing my friends, but I am not that far from their views. It is just that it looks bad to bash your own countrymen in public site.

Dear Members,

Some of the aritcles have got deviated from the main subject. What is the turth behind this - revenues are going to a specific section of the people or not ? This is the vital question. If the answer is "Yes" then let us not be a party to the collection drive.

Venkat

[radikal]

Secularist par excellence!

Digvijay singh and his ilk will be humbled.

Mr. Sarang,
What world do you live in!!!!
You are talking of an utopia not a work in progress. Name me one country that will meet your conditions. Actually you can not even name a state, a city that will be as pure as you want it to be. Even you with your clear Anti-Muslim bias have shown that you can not be unbiased. We all can have our private view (which may not be the national view), but our public view has to be in line with the national view. India is going to be multi-cultural, multi-language, and multi-religious society, whether we like it or not. If we accept that premise, then there is no reason to be openly hostile to a community.

I am definitely anti-Pakistan, and defiantly anti-paki supporting persons of any religion, that is because they are anti-India.

[Peptobismol]

Secularist par excellence!

Digvijay singh and his ilk will be humbled.

Should I thank you for the compliment or take offense to the insult???? LOL

[HedgeYourBets]

Should I thank you for the compliment or take offense to the insult???? LOL

Dear Prasadji,
I think it doesnt matter. What matter more is about what you would do next?

[9mm_fan]

Dear Prasadji,
I think it doesnt matter. What matter more is about what you would do next?

It matters to me as the supposed Insult was hurled at me. But I am nimble and I did not accept it so it goes back to the person who hurled it (according to Buddha).

What do I need to do? I can not change Indian constitution. Secondly when I was there I accepted it, now it does not matter to me.
There are enough minority haters in this country, enough white americans hate colored Americans. Hatred of a community based on the actions of few in the past is not unique to India. I am just sorry that people like Sarang fall into this category of bigots.

[Drugmachine]

In the entire world Hindus are only secularists. Muslims, if they are true Muslims, cannot be secularists. Nor Christians are Catholics. Christians are pitting us against Muslims and Muslims are pitting us against Christians. Secularism is purely a political word and has no relevance to the people at large. There are many volunteers in Hindus to work for "secularism".

[MannoFr]

It matters to me as the supposed Insult was hurled at me. But I am nimble and I did not accept it so it goes back to the person who hurled it (according to Buddha).

What do I need to do? I can not change Indian constitution.

What would you do if you could? allow a slaughter house to come next opposite a temple?
Secondly when I was there I accepted it, now it does not matter to me. I see you wanting to maintain or enhance the status and that does matter.
There are enough minority haters in this country, enough white americans hate colored Americans. Hatred of a community based on the actions of few in the past is not unique to India. Calling for secularism on side without offering anything to it and asking for concessions and special rules on the other dont go well my dear friend. Show me one instance where these communities have been inclusive and without a hidden agenda. The OP is all about this farce.Calling it out cant be termed hatred. If all the nonsense that happens point out to people from a community and the community does nothing to separate themselves from this, you are riding too high and too long on the secularist tirade.
I am just sorry that people like Sarang fall into this category of bigots. I can visualise some hatred in this.

[NeroASERCH]

What would you do if you could? allow a slaughter house to come next opposite a temple?

I see you wanting to maintain or enhance the status and that does matter.

Calling for secularism on side without offering anything to it and asking for concessions and special rules on the other dont go well my dear friend. Show me one instance where these communities have been inclusive and without a hidden agenda. The OP is all about this farce.Calling it out cant be termed hatred. If all the nonsense that happens point out to people from a community and the community does nothing to separate themselves from this, you are riding too high and too long on the secularist tirade.

I can visualise some hatred in this.

Please visit Mathura, there is a madushala adjoining the Temple. Visit Kalibari in Kolkatta, you have slaughterhouse in the temple. That is neither here nor there.
If you want to preserve the sanctity of temple surround, you will keep it clean, not rent space to commercialism. Please visit Golden Temple in Amritsar and then decide for yourself how a Temple complex should be maintained.

I did not call for secularism, if you read me right you would see that I was born in a secular country, and accepted the constitution. I do not want theocracy of any kind. If you do not have others religions to hate you will find some other reason to marginalize another community to hate within your own religion.

[S.T.D.]

There is one character in ayn rand's atlas shrugged, I do not recollect his name, but he is called wet nurse. He is the government's watch dog in the steel plant of hank rearden. He always makes profound, firm statements about people - he is opinionated, he is bigoted, he is despicable - but makes vague and evasive statements on physical issues - like for steel melting, I think, needs high temperature (he is graduate in metallurgy). Anyway, he realises his folly, and is redeemed, and realises the virtue of the 'old wisdom'.

This is a classic mindset of the psec (pseudo secularist) to throw such word sets; blame hindutva, modi and anyone exposing hindu cause.

It matters to me as the supposed Insult was hurled at me. But I am nimble and I did not accept it so it goes back to the person who hurled it (according to Buddha).

What do I need to do? I can not change Indian constitution. Secondly when I was there I accepted it, now it does not matter to me.
There are enough minority haters in this country, enough white americans hate colored Americans. Hatred of a community based on the actions of few in the past is not unique to India. I am just sorry that people like Sarang fall into this category of bigots.

[PhillipHer]

இதெல்லாம் சகஜம்

I can visualise some hatred in this.

[Beerinkol]

There is one character in ayn rand's atlas shrugged, I do not recollect his name, but he is called wet nurse. He is the government's watch dog in the steel plant of hank rearden. He always makes profound, firm statements about people - he is opinionated, he is bigoted, he is despicable - but makes vague and evasive statements on physical issues - like for steel melting, I think, needs high temperature (he is graduate in metallurgy). Anyway, he realises his folly, and is redeemed, and realises the virtue of the 'old wisdom'.

This is a classic mindset of the psec (pseudo secularist) to throw such word sets; blame hindutva, modi and anyone exposing hindu cause.

Mr. Sarang I take offense to your talking the mantle of UPHOLDER OF HINDUISM. You do not have the exclusivity to Hinduism or Sanatan Dharma. Santana Dharma was never cultist. It is the HINDUTVA brand of RSS that is a cult.

If Upholding Hinduism does not means killing or eliminating your opponents.
What happened to

” अयं बन्धुरयं नेति गणना लघुचेतसां उदारचरितानां तु वसुधैव कुटुम्बकं ”
ayam bandhurayam neti ganana laghuchetasam udaracharitanam tu vasudhaiva kutumbakam

Only small men discriminate saying: One is a relative; the other is a stranger. For those who live magnanimously the entire world constitutes but a family.

[MannoFr]

@renukaji:
This is for you.

The acronym SMJ is incorrect - satya meva jayate.
It should be SEJ - satyam eva jayate.

So opine some.