[Drugmachine]

enna panrathu, sila tamilargale, sanskrit thaan great-nu, hindi padikkaravan thaan puthisaaalinu pesittu irukkaanga..

[Drugmachine]

Tamil being the oldest language of India was heavily debated bringing Sanskrit in as the oldest by the Hindian goverment.
Now is it is well clear, according to both archeoligical and geoligical evidence that Tamil language and culture date back more than
20 000BC wheras Sanskrit only dates back 1500BC.
Now on the other hand Tamil is indeed the basement of all Indian language.

The sinking of Kumari Kandam is the disadvantage for the lost of the ancient Tamil text missing forever, having only Tholkapiyam left as the only oldest record.
Though there are records mentioning about the ancient time Kumari Kandam in books like Silapathikaram.
Though the Drvidians/Tamils occupied the whole of India, regardless of North , East or West
The Lemurian land mass destruction caused the majority of Tamils to travel north making the Indus Valley civilisation an advance civilisation.

Later when the Aryans arrived as nomads learning the culture from the Dravidians,
Sanskrit was created for their identity .
Sanskrit was created using the Brahmi script .

Brahmi script is an ancient script which eveolve from the Old Tamil Script.

In recent time, India is faulting the Aryan Invasion Theory because now Tamil language and the Civilisation being in the limelight as the oldest, having the presence of the Aryan invasion theory is indeed showing the Indo-Aryans and the languages as an outsider.
Both the caste system and the vedas are created by the Aryans, they being known as intruders effects the value of Sanskrit and their caste system and vedas, so trying to prove the Aryan invasion as Myth, they can put Sanskrit and the Aryans as native to India rite ?

Damn HIndian politics sucks.


India is the home for the Oldest Civilisation - Tamil Civilisation

India is the Home for Oldest language- Tamil
India is the home for oldest Faith- Hinduism
India is the home for oldest Kingdom -Pandyan Kingdom

But yet the ruling Hindian Gov will want to hide the facts to just promote Sanskrit and INDO-Aryan Hood jus because Sanskrit is the basement language for Hindi.
Spending millions of money to promote the fabrications made during the 1500BC , still stubbornly gribbing onto the fabrication as Sanskrit beingt the mother of all language and the oldest language and shit.

The smartest thing the Aryans ever done is to force Sanskrit deep into Hinduism that Sanskrit became part of Hinduism.
Even though the language is half dead , it is still living in the means of worship and mantras.

The Aryans have done their fabrications then, now the present day indo-aryans are having difficulties unable to protect those lies from reaching the limelight that they are coming with all kind of nonsence.

Why cant they just accept the fact

[brraverishhh]

by colleague forwarded this to me, not very useful... but i am interested in history and origins so:


Searching for the Welsh-Hindi link








Ms Mathur noticed the similarities after moving to BBC Radio Wales

A BBC journalist is urging helpful linguists to come forward to help solve a mystery - why the Hindi accent has so much in common with Welsh.
Sonia Mathur, a native Hindi speaker, had her interest sparked when she moved from India to work for the BBC in Wales - and found that two accents from countries 5,000 miles apart seemed to have something in common.

It has long been known that the two languages stem from Indo-European, the "mother of all languages" - but the peculiar similarities between the two accents when spoken in English are striking.

Remarkably, no-one has yet done a direct proper comparative study between the two languages to found out why this is so, says Ms Mathur.

"What I'm hoping is that if amateurs like myself - who have indulged in doing a little bit of research here and there - come forward, we can actually do proper research with professional linguists," she told BBC World Service's Everywoman programme.

No coincidence

Ms Mathur explained that when she moved to Wales, everyone instantly assumed she was Welsh from her accent.

"I would just answer the phone, and they would say 'oh hello, which part of Wales are you from?'," she said.











We tend to pronounce everything - all the consonants, all the vowels



Sonia Mathur

"I would explain that I'm not from Wales at all - I'm from India.
"It was just hilarious each time this conversation happened."

Her interest aroused, Ms Mathur spoke to a number of other people whose first language is Hindi.

One Hindi doctor in north Wales told her that when he answered the phone, people hearing his accent would begin talking to him in Welsh.

"I thought maybe it isn't a coincidence, and if I dig deeper I might find something more," Ms Mathur said.

Particular similarities between the accents are the way that both place emphasis on the last part of word, and an elongated way of speaking that pronounces all the letters of a word.

"We tend to pronounce everything - all the consonants, all the vowels," Ms Mathur said.

"For example, if you were to pronounce 'predominantly', it would sound really similar in both because the 'r' is rolled, there is an emphasis on the 'd', and all the letters that are used to make the word can be heard.

"It's just fascinating that these things happen between people who come from such varied backgrounds."

The similarities have sometimes proved particularly tricky for actors - Pete Postlethwaite, playing an Asian criminal in the 1995 film The Usual Suspects, had his accent described by Empire magazine as "Apu from the Simpsons holidaying in Swansea".

Proto-European language

But not only the two languages' accents share notable common features - their vocabularies do too.







'Apu from the Simpsons holidaying in Swansea' or Pete Postlethwaite?

Ms Mathur's own research on basic words, such as the numbers one to 10, found that many were similar - "seven", for example, is "saith" in Welsh, "saat" in Hindi.
"These kind of things really struck me," she said.

"When I reached number nine they were exactly the same - it's 'naw' - and I thought there had to be more to it than sheer coincidence."

She later spoke to professor Colin Williams of Cardiff University's School Of Welsh, who specialises in comparative languages.

He suggested that the similarities are because they come from the same mother language - the proto-European language.

"It was basically the mother language to Celtic, Latin, and Sanskrit," Ms Mathur added.

"So basically that's where this link originates from."


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4328733.stm

[Lillie_Steins]

The Prakrit is definitely older than Sanskrit which uses Brahmi script.

Prakrit was flourishing all over greater India till 3rd century during Ashoka period. After his period, Prakrit & Buddhism was destroyed/started declining in India but started flourishing in the in-do-china bordering region through Khemer, Champa, Srivijaya kingdoms etc.

The medieval period Vedic rulers (AD 3rd century ~ 13th century) have used Sanskrit as a language for scripting over Prakrit scripts, many ancient literature have been translated into Sanskrit and assumed as if those were created during the period of Sanskrit.

Actually, we are studying wrong/biased one sided history writings mostly from the medieval Vedic rulers period which starts from 300+AD. Golden period of Indian History suppose to be Ashoka Rule who ruled the entire Greater India including Afghan, Pakistan, Bangladesh except Tamils kingdoms but we study Vedic Gupta rulers from medieval period as Golden period of India. Sanskrit was never the official language during Ashoka period of 200 BCE – 300 CE but it was Prakrit, there are many writing and stone carvings could be found in those period which are written in Prakrit.

Prakrit suppose to be awarded as one of the classical language of India prior to Sanskrit. Some assume that Prakrit and Sanskrit are from same language family which is totally wrong. Some calls Prakrit as a corrupt version of Sanskrit, it is also a fabricated story primarily used to show case the supremacy of Sanskrit over Prakrit.


Tamil & Prakrit is/was the native Indian language. The link between Tamil & Prakrit has to be studied in detail to understand the relationship. Why Ashoka did not capture and rule the Tamil Kingdoms? - Relationship has to be studied in detail
Both Sanskrit & Urdu came through the passes of the Hindu Kush mountains (Modern days Afghan)
Sanskrit scripts and grammars were created by Panini in the 3rd/4th century AD before that Sanskrit was used as a vocal language only

Hindi = Mix of Sanskrit script + Urdu words created during Moghal's rule
Other Regional Languages = Mix of Prakrit + Sanskrit + Localization due to many Regional rulers during medieval period
Tamil = More indigenous + Less mix of Prakrit & Sanskrit


Regarding Pandyan Kingdom, Refer my posting under the thread early Pandyan Kingdom for their early sea trade relationships. Ancient Europe sea trade was connected through Red sea and Mediterranean sea.

South India is geographically located as a natural Hub for the sea trades which has the shortest connectivity to all of the continents through sea China, South East Asia, Middle-East, Europe, Australia, Africa & South America. Sea ports in the early Pandyan Kingdoms and Colombo was acting as a Hub for Ancient sea trades (that's why we have been saying that "Thirai Kadalodium Thiraviyam Thedu" & "Yadhum Uure Yavarum Kelir")


Regarding the cast, it is not a cast divide but it is a social divide, discrimination and hierarchy which suppose to be the first divide and rule policy created and imposed by the Vedic Rulers in the name of Religion for Political gains


We were the inventor of the Pottery Technology to the World - More Archeological evidences have to be studied across the world for the relationships with us

We were the inventor of the Dravidian Architecture which is used to Built the great temples in Tanjovur and Cambodia shares the same Architecture. Both the Kings (Chola & Khmer) were flee when they are defeated. The Trade and Marital links if any have to be studied in detail

We were the inventor of the Ancient Agriculture irrigation process & Technology. Kallanai is the oldest dam built for irrigation process. Ankorwat is another irrigation process built using our technology

We were the pioneer in the Rice Paddy and gave the technology to the entire world. We transfer the technology to in-do-china bordering countries, South East Asian countries, China, Taiwan and Japan through Sea trades, Marital relationship, Cultural and religious (Buddhism) exchanges/spreads

Archeological evidences have to the produced to prove our rights over the biased Indian History writings, it will take some time but TRUTH can never be buried for a long time

[radikal]

I wish to advice that the modern Scholars have no room 'whatsoever' to think that the Chera, Chola and Paandiya kings were Sanskrit speaking dynasties. If they do so then the fact remains that they are in-complete in their historical knowledge of India, and need to undergo further research studies on the the actual History of South India, and a critical study of the ancient Tamil literary documents we have today.

During the British Colonial Period there remained very less Historical Scholars in South India to highlight the history of their region, and as a result the Historical Scholars of North India wrote the Indian History portraying to the masses that the early Indian History means that it was the History of Mauriyas, Guptas and Sathavaahanas of North India with Vedic and Sanskrit background, and the medieval Indian History of India means that it was the history of the Muslim kingdoms also of North India with Islamic background. They hardly took any interest in the deep study of the other great dynasties of South India.

So what I suggest to the modern Scholars of India that they should not try to interpret the History of India, based purly on the writings of the old out-dated Historical Studies of the British Colonial period and post-Colonial period Scholars, but take much interest also in the study of the new findings of the Historians of the South India, and they themselves venture into the deep original research study of the History of these South Indian dynasties.

Also I am of the strong view that the History of India has to be completely re-written in the light of many new findings of the History of South Indian dynasties in the recent past, to make the modern Historical Scholars and new Historical Students be aware that - true History of India is not simply the History of North India as wrongly portrayed by the Colonial and Post-Colonial period Scholars, but is a combination of the Histories of "all dynasties" of North, Central & South India.

Also it is high time the Indian Historical Scholars of modern age India got rid of the false notions that prevailed in India up to the recent past, that all languages of India had its roots from Sanskrit and that all religions in India had their roots from Vedic religion, which can be disproved with evidence as a false bogey spread by irresponsible Scholars of the British Colonial period and post Colonial period of India.

Further it can be positively proved with evidences that the Tamil Language and Tamil Dynasties of South India are older than the two great Sanskrit Epics - namely the Raamaayana of sage Vaalmiki and the Mahaabharatha of sage Viyaasa.

[S.T.D.]

First, thanks Mr Virarajendra for giving the references,

You have flooded this forum with lot of Historical information from Tamil region, most of them are quit interesting not just because of many in this forum know/read it for the 1st time but because of your insights and references. You seems to be a real veteran in Tamil History.

I have come across a controversial history writing blog maintained by some one from Kannada region, most of the controversial areas are around Tamil/Malayalam. You can refer the blog using below URL

http://controversialhistory.blogspot.in/

I wish to suggest you to give your responses in this forum (Mayyam.Com) for each of the controversial topics which may help many of us to get more insights,