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**doctorzlo** · 08-03-2006, 08:00 AM

Hara Hara Mahadeva, Jagadeshwara, sarweshvara, lingeshwara, sadashiva, Om Namashivaya

**Paul Bunyan** · 10-09-2006, 08:00 AM

Anbudaiya Thiru NOV,

It's you again. You have selected a very beautiful "OM" for my Thread. Thanking you very much for your co-operation, and adding 'value' to my article.

Mikka anbudan

Virarajendra

**Lillie_Steins** · 06-01-2009, 06:10 AM

Author - Virarajendra

A brief study of the “Om” - the “Ongkaara Manthiram” as portrayed in “Tamil Saivaism” of Tamil Nadu - Part 1

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(1) Introducton

The “God Supreme” of the religion “Saivaism” - of India, is identical as that of all the other religions of India and that of the World - "who is none but one". In reality "God Supreme" has “no form” and “no name” and is the supreme power of the universe, who controls the creation, salvation, and destruction, of all living beings and the nature of the universe.

The "Tamil Saiva Saint Maanikkavaasakar" very clearly states in his “Thiruvaasakam” (in Tamil), that “God Supreme“ as - ‘Oar Uruvam Oar Naamam ontrum illaar’ meaning the one without any - "a form" or "a name".

(2) God Supreme represented in three forms in “Tamil Saivaism”

The “God Supreme” in Saivaism was referred to as “God Siva”. He in the Saivaism that developed and practised in Tamil Nadu - known as “Tamil Saivaism” was of three aspects. The “formless” (Aruvam in Tamil), of “semi-form” (Aru-Uruvam in Tamil), and of “human forms” (Uruvam in Tamil).

In the Uruvam form “God Siva” in the Saivaism of Nepal, North & Central India was represented as a human masculine, having - a lock of hair (kontrai) on his head bearing the crest moon and the river Gangai flowing from it, a third eye in his forehead and a blue mark around his neck, holding a trident in one hand and dressed in tiger skins with cobra snakes around his neck and arms,

However in Tamil Nadu of South India he was ‘mainly’ represented as Aadavallaan (Nadarajar), Pennoru Paahaththaan (Arthanaariswarer), Thenmuhak Kadavul (Thetchanamoorthy), Kalyaanasundaramoorthy, Uma Maheswaramoorthy and Somaskandamoorthy, among many others based on his various aspects. All these forms of “God Siva” evolved in Tamil Nadu, as part of the development of the original Saivaism of Nepal in South India.

In the Aru-Uruvam form “God Siva” was represented in Nepal, North, Central & South India and Tamil Nadu as Sivalingam that originated from Nepal, and further developed as Lingothbhavamoorthy in Tamil Nadu with the swan and boar shown above and below the standing Siva in human form, carved out within the vertical face of the Sivalingam or Lingam.

In the Aruvam form “God Siva” was represented as the “Infinite” - of no defined shape - known as “Ongkaaram” in Tamil and “Pranavam” in Sanskrit.

In Tamil Saivaism - eventhough “God Siva” was worshiped in all three forms as Uruvam, Aru-Uruvam and Aruvam, ‘on realisation of him’ by human beings - he was found to be none but one.

This is confirmed by the "Tamil Saiva Saint Thirunaavukkaraser" of the sixth century as follows:

“.......Uru moontraai unarvin kan ontraan aanaai….”

meaning: “……of three forms and on realisation one who became one.......”

6th Thirumurai - by Saint Thirunaavukkarasu Naayanaar, Thiruvaalam Polil Pathikam, Verse 3

The very fact that the God is one but was worshipped in various forms, was well known to the Tamils of Tamil Nadu as early as the first century A.D. This is confirmed by the following reference in the first century Tamil literary work known as Kurinchippaattu by "Poet Kapilar".

"......paraviyum tholuthum viravu malar thooyum
veru pal uruvit Kadavut perniyum
naraiyum viraiyum oachchiyum alavuttru......"

meaning: "......singing hyms and worshipping God with variety of flowers strewn to his many different forms with offering of perfumes and incense too made......"

Kurinchippaattu - of Paththuppaattu by poet Kapilar, lines 5-7

(3) The Ongkaaram form of God Siva

The “Ongkaaram” form of “God Siva”, has been referred to by the ‘third Thamil Sangam’ "Poet Saaththanaar, the Tamil Saiva Saints of Tamil Nadu - namely the Thirunaavukkarasu Naayanaar, Suntharamoorthy Naayanaar, Maanikkavaasaka Swamikal, Thirumoola Naayanaar, Pattinaththaar, the Tamil Poet Avvaiyaar and the others" - in their respective Tamil Saiva Religious Literature.

In “Tamil Saivaism” the “God Siva” was the - core essense of “Ongkaaram” (Ongkaaraththu ut porulaai nintraan). This is confirmed from the following references:

“…..Oru sudaraai ulahu elum aanaan kandaai
Ongkaaraththu ut porulaai nintraan kandaai
Virisudaraai vilangu oliyaayi nintraan kandaai….”

meaning: “……see (him) who became as one flame of seven worlds
see (him) who stood as the core essense of Ongkaaram
see (him) who remains the brightness of the spreaded flame …..”

6th Thirumurai - by Saint Thirunaavukkarasu Naayanaar, Thirumalapaadi Pathikam, Verse 10

“…..Ongkaaraththu ut porulaai ulaham ellaam pettraanai…….”

meaning: “……one who was the core essense of Ongkaaram, attained in all worlds…..”

6th Thirumurai - by Saint Thirunaavukkarasu Naayanaar, Thiruvaanaikkaa Pathikam, Verse 3

“Ongkaara meip porulaai udambin ullaal
karu eentra engal avai arivaan thannai…….”

meaning: “……as the truth of Ongkaaram, who knows our heart that came forth from foetus inside the body…..”

6th Thirumurai - by Saint Thirunaavukkarasu Naayanaar, Thiruvaalam Polil Pathikam, Verse 3

“Uun angaththu uyirp paay ulahu elaam
Ongkaaraththu uruvaahi nintraanai…..”

meaning: “…..all over the world where bodies of flesh with life are, the one who remained in the Ongkaaram form…..”

7th Thirumurai - by Saint Suntharamoorththy Naayanaar, Thiruvalivalam Pathikam, Verse 1

“…..Uyya en ullaththul Ongkaaramaai nintra
meiyaa vimalaa vidaipaahaa……”

meaning: “……for (my) salvation stood as Ongkaaram in my heart the truth, vimalaa, the one riding the Nandi (bull)…..”

Thiruvaasakam – by Maanikkavaasaka Swamikal, Sivapuraanam 33-4

“Uyyu neri kaattuviththittu Ongkaaraththu utporulai
Ayyan enakku aruliyavar aarperuvaar achchove….”

meaning: “……showed the path for salvation, the core essense of Ongkaaram the God blessed me - who will get (such) achchove……”

Thiruvaasakam – by Maanikkavaasaka Swamikal, Achcho Pathikam

Website URL of "Sivapuraanam" of 'Thiruvaasakam' sung by Tamil Saiva Saint Maanikkavaasakar - which speaks of God Siva in the Ongkaaram form as "....Ongkaaramaai nintra meiyaa vimalaa vidaipaahaa......."

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**S.T.D.** · 10-06-2009, 06:35 AM

Dear Virarajendra Sir

Could you please give us some info about the Shivpuran (Siva puranam)

Many thanks

**Big A** · 10-09-2009, 01:59 AM

The "Sivapuraanam" composed by the Tamil Saiva Saint Maanikkavaasakar of Tamil Nadu, forms a part of his great Tamil religious work known as "Thiruvaasakam".

The full text of this Tamil Sivapuraanam is given in the Website with the following URL. This also provides three "Youtube" Videos with the Devotees singing the Sivapuraanam.

http://www.tamilnation.org/sathyam/e...tvasagam01.htm

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Further there is also a Shivapuraana in Sanskrit the details of which could be obtained from the Website with the following URL.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siva_Puranam

**MannoFr** · 11-26-2009, 10:08 PM

If any Reader is aware of a Web Site which carries the Music Director - Harish Ragavendra's beautiful "Om" Chanting, I will be very pleased to have from him the URL address of same, to be linked with my above Thread.

**Peptobismol** · 06-05-2010, 05:07 AM

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[b][u]A brief study of the “Om” - the “Ongkaara Manthiram” as portrayed in “Tamil
However only the (Hindu) religions of India, namely the Saivaism, Vaishnavaism, Saaktham, Kanapathiyam, Kaumaaram and Vedism considered "Om" - the holy Syllable - as the representation of "God Supreme".

But it remained only as a prefix, in adoration of the holy verses of Jainism and Buddhism of India in their religious worship, as these two religions donot recognise the existance of "God Supreme".

இந்து மதமும் அப்படிப்பட்டதுதான் என்று "நள்ளிரவில் விடுதலை" Freedom at Midnight என்ற நூலை எழுதிய ஆசிரியன்மார் இருவரும் கூறியுள்ளனர் என்று நினைவில் உள்ளது. இவ்வுரைபற்றி உங்கள் கருத்தைச் சொல்லமுடியுமானால் நன்று.

**Slonopotam845** · 09-16-2010, 03:57 AM

Anbudaiya M/s Sivamaalaa,

Could you briefly state what the two writers have said, as I have not read their article before to give my views.

However I wish we could discuss on same after 26th i.e. after the Thanjavur Periya Koyil 1000 years celebrations, as I am more involved presently in the re-construction of my thread in this Website titled "Rajarajaeswarem & Gangaikondaeswarem Temples" - Pt1 & Pt 2, which I wish to complete before the celebrations.

Mikka Anbudan

Virarajendra

**Peptobismol** · 09-16-2010, 08:04 PM

Anbudaiya M/s Sivamaalaa,

Could you briefly state what the two writers have said, as I have not read their article before to give my views.

However I wish we could discuss on same after 26th i.e. after the Thanjavur Periya Koyil 1000 years celebrations, as I am more involved presently in the re-construction of my thread in this Website titled "Rajarajaeswarem & Gangaikondaeswarem Temples" - Pt1 & Pt 2, which I wish to complete before the celebrations.

Mikka Anbudan

Virarajendra

Thiru Virarajendra,

Please take your time and there is no hurry to discuss the above.
We can discuss this after the completion of your projects. By the way, I also need time to look for the book in the Library.

Best wishes.

anbudan,

**9mm_fan** · 11-08-2010, 03:12 PM

Thiru NOV - again your help with in activating the Image "Om", as it got de-activated when I included a verse from 11th Thirumurai of Cheraman Perumal Naayanaar.

Nantri

Mikka Anbudan

Virarajendra

**9mm_fan** · 09-03-2011, 12:53 AM

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08-03-2006, 08:00 AM	#1
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Paul Bunyan Join Date Jul 2007 Age 58 Posts 4,495 Senior Member	Anbudaiya Thiru NOV, It's you again. You have selected a very beautiful "OM" for my Thread. Thanking you very much for your co-operation, and adding 'value' to my article. Mikka anbudan Virarajendra Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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06-01-2009, 06:10 AM	#3
Lillie_Steins Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 4,508 Senior Member	Ongkaara Manthiram as portrayed in Tamil Saivaism Author - Virarajendra A brief study of the “Om” - the “Ongkaara Manthiram” as portrayed in “Tamil Saivaism” of Tamil Nadu - Part 1 HTML Code: Code [img]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_iRN2sHVTU2M/S81zgiFDayI/AAAAAAAAABo/JmOz_YBIJ2c/s1600/Aum-Hindu_Sacred-Symbol-Aum-133.jpg[/img] (1) Introducton The “God Supreme” of the religion “Saivaism” - of India, is identical as that of all the other religions of India and that of the World - "who is none but one". In reality "God Supreme" has “no form” and “no name” and is the supreme power of the universe, who controls the creation, salvation, and destruction, of all living beings and the nature of the universe. The "Tamil Saiva Saint Maanikkavaasakar" very clearly states in his “Thiruvaasakam” (in Tamil), that “God Supreme“ as - ‘Oar Uruvam Oar Naamam ontrum illaar’ meaning the one without any - "a form" or "a name". (2) God Supreme represented in three forms in “Tamil Saivaism” The “God Supreme” in Saivaism was referred to as “God Siva”. He in the Saivaism that developed and practised in Tamil Nadu - known as “Tamil Saivaism” was of three aspects. The “formless” (Aruvam in Tamil), of “semi-form” (Aru-Uruvam in Tamil), and of “human forms” (Uruvam in Tamil). In the Uruvam form “God Siva” in the Saivaism of Nepal, North & Central India was represented as a human masculine, having - a lock of hair (kontrai) on his head bearing the crest moon and the river Gangai flowing from it, a third eye in his forehead and a blue mark around his neck, holding a trident in one hand and dressed in tiger skins with cobra snakes around his neck and arms, However in Tamil Nadu of South India he was ‘mainly’ represented as Aadavallaan (Nadarajar), Pennoru Paahaththaan (Arthanaariswarer), Thenmuhak Kadavul (Thetchanamoorthy), Kalyaanasundaramoorthy, Uma Maheswaramoorthy and Somaskandamoorthy, among many others based on his various aspects. All these forms of “God Siva” evolved in Tamil Nadu, as part of the development of the original Saivaism of Nepal in South India. In the Aru-Uruvam form “God Siva” was represented in Nepal, North, Central & South India and Tamil Nadu as Sivalingam that originated from Nepal, and further developed as Lingothbhavamoorthy in Tamil Nadu with the swan and boar shown above and below the standing Siva in human form, carved out within the vertical face of the Sivalingam or Lingam. In the Aruvam form “God Siva” was represented as the “Infinite” - of no defined shape - known as “Ongkaaram” in Tamil and “Pranavam” in Sanskrit. In Tamil Saivaism - eventhough “God Siva” was worshiped in all three forms as Uruvam, Aru-Uruvam and Aruvam, ‘on realisation of him’ by human beings - he was found to be none but one. This is confirmed by the "Tamil Saiva Saint Thirunaavukkaraser" of the sixth century as follows: “.......Uru moontraai unarvin kan ontraan aanaai….” meaning: “……of three forms and on realisation one who became one.......” 6th Thirumurai - by Saint Thirunaavukkarasu Naayanaar, Thiruvaalam Polil Pathikam, Verse 3 The very fact that the God is one but was worshipped in various forms, was well known to the Tamils of Tamil Nadu as early as the first century A.D. This is confirmed by the following reference in the first century Tamil literary work known as Kurinchippaattu by "Poet Kapilar". "......paraviyum tholuthum viravu malar thooyum veru pal uruvit Kadavut perniyum naraiyum viraiyum oachchiyum alavuttru......" meaning: "......singing hyms and worshipping God with variety of flowers strewn to his many different forms with offering of perfumes and incense too made......" Kurinchippaattu - of Paththuppaattu by poet Kapilar, lines 5-7 (3) The Ongkaaram form of God Siva The “Ongkaaram” form of “God Siva”, has been referred to by the ‘third Thamil Sangam’ "Poet Saaththanaar, the Tamil Saiva Saints of Tamil Nadu - namely the Thirunaavukkarasu Naayanaar, Suntharamoorthy Naayanaar, Maanikkavaasaka Swamikal, Thirumoola Naayanaar, Pattinaththaar, the Tamil Poet Avvaiyaar and the others" - in their respective Tamil Saiva Religious Literature. In “Tamil Saivaism” the “God Siva” was the - core essense of “Ongkaaram” (Ongkaaraththu ut porulaai nintraan). This is confirmed from the following references: “…..Oru sudaraai ulahu elum aanaan kandaai Ongkaaraththu ut porulaai nintraan kandaai Virisudaraai vilangu oliyaayi nintraan kandaai….” meaning: “……see (him) who became as one flame of seven worlds see (him) who stood as the core essense of Ongkaaram see (him) who remains the brightness of the spreaded flame …..” 6th Thirumurai - by Saint Thirunaavukkarasu Naayanaar, Thirumalapaadi Pathikam, Verse 10 “…..Ongkaaraththu ut porulaai ulaham ellaam pettraanai…….” meaning: “……one who was the core essense of Ongkaaram, attained in all worlds…..” 6th Thirumurai - by Saint Thirunaavukkarasu Naayanaar, Thiruvaanaikkaa Pathikam, Verse 3 “Ongkaara meip porulaai udambin ullaal karu eentra engal avai arivaan thannai…….” meaning: “……as the truth of Ongkaaram, who knows our heart that came forth from foetus inside the body…..” 6th Thirumurai - by Saint Thirunaavukkarasu Naayanaar, Thiruvaalam Polil Pathikam, Verse 3 “Uun angaththu uyirp paay ulahu elaam Ongkaaraththu uruvaahi nintraanai…..” meaning: “…..all over the world where bodies of flesh with life are, the one who remained in the Ongkaaram form…..” 7th Thirumurai - by Saint Suntharamoorththy Naayanaar, Thiruvalivalam Pathikam, Verse 1 “…..Uyya en ullaththul Ongkaaramaai nintra meiyaa vimalaa vidaipaahaa……” meaning: “……for (my) salvation stood as Ongkaaram in my heart the truth, vimalaa, the one riding the Nandi (bull)…..” Thiruvaasakam – by Maanikkavaasaka Swamikal, Sivapuraanam 33-4 “Uyyu neri kaattuviththittu Ongkaaraththu utporulai Ayyan enakku aruliyavar aarperuvaar achchove….” meaning: “……showed the path for salvation, the core essense of Ongkaaram the God blessed me - who will get (such) achchove……” Thiruvaasakam – by Maanikkavaasaka Swamikal, Achcho Pathikam Website URL of "Sivapuraanam" of 'Thiruvaasakam' sung by Tamil Saiva Saint Maanikkavaasakar - which speaks of God Siva in the Ongkaaram form as "....Ongkaaramaai nintra meiyaa vimalaa vidaipaahaa......." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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Big A Join Date Oct 2005 Age 50 Posts 4,148 Administrator	The "Sivapuraanam" composed by the Tamil Saiva Saint Maanikkavaasakar of Tamil Nadu, forms a part of his great Tamil religious work known as "Thiruvaasakam". The full text of this Tamil Sivapuraanam is given in the Website with the following URL. This also provides three "Youtube" Videos with the Devotees singing the Sivapuraanam. http://www.tamilnation.org/sathyam/e...tvasagam01.htm ---------------------- Further there is also a Shivapuraana in Sanskrit the details of which could be obtained from the Website with the following URL. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siva_Puranam Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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TorryJens Join Date Nov 2008 Posts 4,494 Senior Member	Author - Virarajendra http://forumhub.mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=13085 [b][u]A brief study of the “Om” - the “Ongkaara Manthiram” as portrayed in “Tamil However only the (Hindu) religions of India, namely the Saivaism, Vaishnavaism, Saaktham, Kanapathiyam, Kaumaaram and Vedism considered "Om" - the holy Syllable - as the representation of "God Supreme". But it remained only as a prefix, in adoration of the holy verses of Jainism and Buddhism of India in their religious worship, as these two religions donot recognise the existance of "God Supreme". இந்து மதமும் அப்படிப்பட்டதுதான் என்று "நள்ளிரவில் விடுதலை" Freedom at Midnight என்ற நூலை எழுதிய ஆசிரியன்மார் இருவரும் கூறியுள்ளனர் என்று நினைவில் உள்ளது. இவ்வுரைபற்றி உங்கள் கருத்தைச் சொல்லமுடியுமானால் நன்று. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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Slonopotam845 Join Date Jan 2006 Posts 5,251 Senior Member	Anbudaiya M/s Sivamaalaa, Could you briefly state what the two writers have said, as I have not read their article before to give my views. However I wish we could discuss on same after 26th i.e. after the Thanjavur Periya Koyil 1000 years celebrations, as I am more involved presently in the re-construction of my thread in this Website titled "Rajarajaeswarem & Gangaikondaeswarem Temples" - Pt1 & Pt 2, which I wish to complete before the celebrations. Mikka Anbudan Virarajendra Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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Peptobismol Join Date Oct 2005 Age 58 Posts 4,386 Senior Member	Anbudaiya M/s Sivamaalaa, Could you briefly state what the two writers have said, as I have not read their article before to give my views. However I wish we could discuss on same after 26th i.e. after the Thanjavur Periya Koyil 1000 years celebrations, as I am more involved presently in the re-construction of my thread in this Website titled "Rajarajaeswarem & Gangaikondaeswarem Temples" - Pt1 & Pt 2, which I wish to complete before the celebrations. Mikka Anbudan Virarajendra Thiru Virarajendra, Please take your time and there is no hurry to discuss the above. We can discuss this after the completion of your projects. By the way, I also need time to look for the book in the Library. Best wishes. anbudan, Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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