[Slonopotam845]

Tamil should be the common Temple language for all hindus! Wow! Really?

i've never seen or heard such "matriotism".

[Beerinkol]

. This means Caste discrimination is still followed in India. Is it not? Complex problem. defies solution!!

As to language of worship, should it be left to the party that pays for the archana, abisheka etc. Fair?

[tgs]

Bis_mala wrote "As to language of worship, should it be left to the party that pays for the archana, abisheka etc. Fair?"

Apparently it is absolutely Fair, but in reality it is only fair if all the people are clear of what they want, the masses have been brain washed to accept and respect a foreign language as the defacto standard for thousands of years, by falsely claiming it to be only sacred language. It is to the good of every body that we have to destroy this falsehood, once this veil of trickery is removed, then I will agree with you that is the right of the party that pays for the archana, abisheka etc. But till then this apparent freewill is just another manifestation of subjucation.

[radikal]

As to language of worship, should it be left to the party that pays for the archana, abisheka etc. Fair?

Fair! But pity the pUsAri -- he has to learn so many languages.. Time to pack his bag!

We should have the mantras recorded in many languages, that can be replayed in the language of the Devotee's choice. What do you think??

I think we should also automate the 'archana' system. Give each devotee a pre-paid card - that he inserts into a slot near the sanctum - presses some keys to choose langauge, offerings etc., -- and a 'coca-cola vending machine' sort dispenses the 'valaipalam, coconut, vethalai paakku, and thiruneeru, puliOtharai etc'... after the recorded mantras is played..

High tech-temples - keeping ahead of times!

[Big A]

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/ /I think we should also automate the 'archana' system. Give each devotee a pre-paid card - that he inserts into a slot near the sanctum - presses some keys to choose langauge, offerings etc., -- and a 'coca-cola vending machine' sort dispenses the 'valaipalam, coconut, vethalai paakku, and thiruneeru, puliOtharai etc'... after the recorded mantras is played.. //
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[radikal]

But pity the pUsAri -- he has to learn so many languages.. Temple Admin can always limit the languages to 4 or 3!! Can right?

[Peptobismol]

If the pUsAri is the Temple Admin then how to name the Moderators - caddies or buddies who carry the bags?

[doctorzlo]

If the pUjari himself is the admin of temple, then you have a problem as pointed out. I suppose those devotees who financially support such temple may be able to influence the puJari in admin matters.

There must be people around who would be able to influence. I helped a pujari He is so grateful. If I ask him to sing "masil viiNayum
maalai mathiyamum". he sings. Special treatment and regard for me. Sometimes I ask him sing in Sanskrit. He does.

The world is not that rigid as we sometimes imagine. There are various ways of doing things.

[tgs]

If I ask him to sing "masil viiNayum
maalai mathiyamum". he sings. Special treatment and regard for me. Sometimes I ask him sing in Sanskrit. He does.

I should ask or pm the Hub pUsAri about the well doing of his brothers and sisters I guess.

[Big A]

Idiappam wrote
Looks like - antha Kadavul varam koduthaalum pUsAri varam kodukka maataan! Why so pessimistic? Tamiz is also a Deivapaashai and God knows what is the right moment for it to become language of worship.

Some years back, whoever thought Tamiz would be declared a classical language? Whoever thought Sankaraachariya wd be charged in Court?

God has strange ways of fulfilling what he wants if he wants it, dont you agree? Then the Pujari will be powerless to stop it!!

When an executive order was issued to prevent Sankaraacharya from entering the Rameswaram Temple, could the Pujaaris there stop that order and allow S'acharia to enter? So most obviously you will be perforce to give an answer in favour of my line of thought, won't you be?? So, why cling on to the old pazamozhi and say that pujaris won't allow it?

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[LottiFurmann]

History enlarges our vision. So said Jawarlaal Nehru who was himself a fellow of the Royal Historical Society (FRGS). We also know that nothing will be static in the world. Things change, though it takes time. At one time, the law courts in olden day England functioned in Latin only. English was considered unfit as Court language. You see, even the world's today's No. l language had to "suffer", but only to emerge later. Before all Church services were in Latin. Today, you have them not only in English but also in other local languages. At one time, Koran could only be in Arabic. Now you can go to your university or public library and pick a copy of the English version of Koran.

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[9mm_fan]

I insist our friends to look into the core meaning of message that Mr. Kaarthikaippoo wants to convey.

I sum up here his main issues.

1.If worship can be done in tamil (since tamil has organized poetries like Thevaaram & Thiruvasakam) why is not followed in tamil atleast in TamilNadu?

2.Why has in boards of temples of tamilNadu, it been written as "Thamizilum" with "um" which conveys secondary preference for tamil? Is tamil considered as "Neesa Basha" & Sanskrit considered as Deva Basha even now?

3.If all devotees of Hindus (not Inthus) like only "Sanskrit Manthras" why are all caste people not allowed to practice "Archaka" in temples?

4.When Dr.Karunanidhi & Dr. Jayalalitha tried to make this "vedhic hymns" open for masses through Vedhakama Schools why has it been stayed in supreme court?

5.Why is, the objectionable portions of Manusmirthi & Bhagavatgita which legitimizes that only "Brahmins"(BY BIRTH) can learn Vedhic hymns & do poojaas which was also taken as proofs by Supreme courts to stay / prevent masses learning Sanskrit, still followed eventhough all people cry for caste elimination?

6.This means Caste discrimination is still followed in India. Is it not?

7.Muslims sings some Arabic hymns. Christians sings some English/Latin hymns. Likewise, Hindus sings Sanskrit hymns. Okay! Acceptable!

But in all religions, with all credentials anyone can become priest

Is anybody who knows all Sanskrit Manthraas irrespective of castes, with all credentials can become priest in Hindus (not in Inthus).

Is it a great discrepancy / discrimination against humanity Why shall not humanity lovers Viz. all kind of religious believers / Non believers talk about this- including Atheists

8.It means all humanity lovers can talk about this issue. Is is not?

9.Language of worship is not a problem. Discrimination of language in worship is a problem due to its humanity proportions.

Let us love humanity

agree! i don't want to talk abt caste discrimination. so i've ignored those parts.

[Big A]

i'd like to add that translations of sanscrit slogams to tamil might not be totally advisable as i am not sure how accurately this can be done. rather prayers in tamil should be done with slogams or songs written in tamil.

[radikal]

Sir I dont see anything other than "Brahmin Hatred" in your thread...I dont understand why, "Thamizh Supporters" can't elucidate its greatness, without denigrating other languages......Do you know that in all the "Sri Vaishnava" temple, "Naalayira Divya Prabandham" which is in full Thamizh, is given first preference in Daily poojas....

You cant develop yourself, by denegrating others around you.....

[Lillie_Steins]

Sir I dont see anything other than "Brahmin Hatred" in your thread...I dont understand why, "Thamizh Supporters" can't elucidate its greatness, without denigrating other languages......Do you know that in all the "Sri Vaishnava" temple, "Naalayira Divya Prabandham" which is in full Thamizh, is given first preference in Daily poojas....

You cant develop yourself, by denegrating others around you.....

Go to the following link to see who his pouring venom and hatred
http://mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=6311&start=0

[radikal]

Originally Posted by srivatsan Sir I dont see anything other than "Brahmin Hatred" in your thread...I dont understand why, "Thamizh Supporters" can't elucidate its greatness, without denigrating other languages......Do you know that in all the "Sri Vaishnava" temple, "Naalayira Divya Prabandham" which is in full Thamizh, is given first preference in Daily poojas....

You cant develop yourself, by denegrating others around you.....

Go to the following link to see who his pouring venom and hatred
http://mayyam.com/hub/viewtopic.php?t=6311&start=0 I hav visted that thread many times...perhaps......people hav to change....I repeat, if you believe in elivating your gretness by degrading your neighbour, then it means, you hav not gretness....good bye to this topic....

[9mm_fan]

The world is not that rigid as we sometimes imagine. There are various ways of doing things.

Tamil??? In Temples??? Looks like - antha Kadavul varam koduthaalum pUsAri varam kodukka maataan!

[Slonopotam845]

Hey If tamil is made the language of worship, then the ordinary men would understand the meaning of all the sacred mantras and realize that there is nothing sacred in them This would destroy our culture/civilization that is based on our great vedic traditions. So to preserve our great culture we should continue our prayers in deiva bhasai, sanskrit. So that nobody can understand what is being done, inspite of this if somebody learns sanskrit and did understand then we can say that in sanskrit the same statement can have a million meanings and that he has not understand the real meaning, afterall is sanskrit not the language preferred for AI/computers for its well meaning/non confusing structure. Can tamil ever match the sacredness of sanskrit ? tell yourself Shiva and then Siva, you would see the difference for yourself.

[9mm_fan]

I insist our friends to look into the core meaning of message that Mr. Kaarthikaippoo wants to convey.

I sum up here his main issues.

1.If worship can be done in tamil (since tamil has organized poetries like Thevaaram & Thiruvasakam) why is not followed in tamil atleast in TamilNadu?

2.Why has in boards of temples of tamilNadu, it been written as "Thamizilum" with "um" which conveys secondary preference for tamil? Is tamil considered as "Neesa Basha" & Sanskrit considered as Deva Basha even now?

3.If all devotees of Hindus (not Inthus) like only "Sanskrit Manthras" why are all caste people not allowed to practice "Archaka" in temples?

4.When Dr.Karunanidhi & Dr. Jayalalitha tried to make this "vedhic hymns" open for masses through Vedhakama Schools why has it been stayed in supreme court?

5.Why is, the objectionable portions of Manusmirthi & Bhagavatgita which legitimizes that only "Brahmins"(BY BIRTH) can learn Vedhic hymns & do poojaas which was also taken as proofs by Supreme courts to stay / prevent masses learning Sanskrit, still followed eventhough all people cry for caste elimination?

6.This means Caste discrimination is still followed in India. Is it not?

7.Muslims sings some Arabic hymns. Christians sings some English/Latin hymns. Likewise, Hindus sings Sanskrit hymns. Okay! Acceptable!

But in all religions, with all credentials anyone can become priest

Is anybody who knows all Sanskrit Manthraas irrespective of castes, with all credentials can become priest in Hindus (not in Inthus).

Is it a great discrepancy / discrimination against humanity Why shall not humanity lovers Viz. all kind of religious believers / Non believers talk about this- including Atheists

8.It means all humanity lovers can talk about this issue. Is is not?

9.Language of worship is not a problem. Discrimination of language in worship is a problem due to its humanity proportions.

Let us love humanity

[TorryJens]

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