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11-08-2005, 11:26 AM
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Hi sudhaama, that was marvellous for a person during those ages to do that. Please continue... One of his greatest revolutionary acts was the giving of the Ashtakshara Mantra to everyone. Maybe I am jumping the gun here, perhaps Sudhamaa has already planned to talk about this at the appropriate time, but because the topic veered to this, I thought I might put in a note about that episode here. After great difficulty, Ramanuja obtained the Ashtakshari Mantra from a guru. The guru gave him the usual strict injunction, "This is the holiest of holy mantras. It is not to be uttered loud in the hearing of everyone. It is sacred and secret. Do not reveal it to anyone. By the mere chanting of this you will be liberated. But beware if you let this mantra out. You will surely go to Hell then." Now, how sacred and how liberating the mantra itself is, is another question. But what Ramanuja did was noteworthy. He went up to everyone in the village - people of all castes, age, men and women. He told them all to assemble at the Temple gopuram (tower) for he said he had a great treasure to share with them all. He climbed the tower and in loud, ringing tones, chanted the mantra loud to everyone, and exhorted them to chant it and be liberated. When the guru came to know about this, he was wrath incarnate and berated Ramanuja for his deed, assuring him he would go to Hell. Note his answer, which made him the great emacipator! He said, "If by my one person going to hell, all these people could be liberated, so be it. I have lived a worthy life." I think the attitude of absolute selflessness and the way he wantede equality in everything is truly commendable. |
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11-08-2005, 11:44 AM
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We don't really need stories to prove his greatness! |
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11-08-2005, 02:03 PM
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Word "RAHASYA" means "SECRET" ... in Sanskrit?
Ramanuja Clarified
One of his greatest revolutionary acts was the giving of the Ashtakshara Mantra to everyone. Maybe I am jumping the gun here, perhaps Sudhamaa has already planned to talk about this at the appropriate time, but because the topic veered to this, I thought I might put in a note about that episode here. After great difficulty, Ramanuja obtained the Ashtakshari Mantra from a guru. The guru gave him the usual strict injunction, "This is the holiest of holy mantras. It is not to be uttered loud in the hearing of everyone. It is sacred and secret. Do not reveal it to anyone. By the mere chanting of this you will be liberated. But beware if you let this mantra out. You will surely go to Hell then." Now, how sacred and how liberating the mantra itself is, is another question. But what Ramanuja did was noteworthy. He went up to everyone in the village - people of all castes, age, men and women. He told them all to assemble at the Temple gopuram (tower) for he said he had a great treasure to share with them all. He climbed the tower and in loud, ringing tones, chanted the mantra loud to everyone, and exhorted them to chant it and be liberated. When the guru came to know about this, he was wrath incarnate and berated Ramanuja for his deed, assuring him he would go to Hell. Note his answer, which made him the great emacipator! He said, "If by my one person going to hell, all these people could be liberated, so be it. I have lived a worthy life." I think the attitude of absolute selflessness and the way he wantede equality in everything is truly commendable. Many are interpreting this event .... in a different direction from the true MAIN sense behind. On this episode of misconception, my Article in Tamil ...was published under my name Sudhaama in Shakthi-Vikatan Magazine last year... and is .still available in Online. In brief I repeat here... the main sense behind.. Ramanuja wanted to learn the descriptive intricacies of a Manthra called Thirumanthra- Artha- Rahasyam (Sense of Ashtaakshra-Manthram : Ohm Namo Narayanaya) In those days, Thirukkoshtiyoor Nambi was a great Scholar well- knowledged in that Manthra. So Ramanuja approached him and appealed to teach. ... But the Guru did not easily consent. but Ramanuja repeatedly persuaded him by walking hundreds of miles from Srirangam near Tiruchi to Thirukkoshtiyoor near Ramanathapuram... 18 times. Finally the Guru agreed on a condition that it is a Secret not to be revealed. When Ramanuja raised his doubt on the sense of the word RAHASYA... he was silenced by the Guru, that the Norm for the Student was just to Obey the commands of the Guru and accept whatever is taught. Ramanuja accepted and learnt... Immediately after learning, he sent out his hundreds of Disciples in the town Thirukkoshtiyoor to gather one and all the Devotees who seek to know that important Manthra sense. Then Ramanuja climbed over the Thirukkoshtiyoor Temple- Gopuram ... addressed the vast gathering assembled around.. .. and. revealed BY PREACHING what he had just then learnt. On hearing this surprise development.... the Guru became furious and sent for Ramanuja. " Hae Ramanuja... Did I not lay down a strict condition... that what I teach you is a SECRET ... not to be revealed? and You agreed upon? Then why did you violate?" "Swami, I am aware that you will get angry with me. But still I did so because of my Confidence in you that you will be open-minded as well as kind enough to re-consider the Truth whoever speaks of. ...The word "Rahasya" is misinterpreted by others... Swami, You being a Scholar, how you too are falling in line with them, I am unable to understand. ... ...If such a Manthra is deemed to be a SECRET... ...what was the purpose for such an Important one to be made at all?... Just to lie buried within the Brains of a few? In Tamil only, the Word RAHASYA means Secret.... but in Sanskrit it does not mean so... .. but only as... GYST / SALIENT / IMPORTANT... conforming to its Dhaathu (Sanskrit-Word- Root).. I feel..... Am I wrong Swami? Accordingly there are various Sanskrit-Texts named .. Ananda-Rahasya = Salient and important factors on how to be Happy. Yoga Rahasya = Gyst of important Yoga- principles. Arogya-Rahasya = Salient and Important factors on how to be Healthy. Athma-Thathva Rahasya = Important and Salinet factors on Spiritualism Similarly... Thiru-Manthraartha-Rahasya = Salient and Important Factors and Guidance on and about Thirumanthra (Ashtaakshra-Manthra: Ohm Namo Naarayanaaya) ... and nothing beyond to mean as... SECRET... NOT TO BE REVEALED or TAUGHT TO OTHERS.. .. Rather in fact this Manthra is meant to be ..." WIDELY PROPOGATED ... ...quite contrary to the Negative- approach hitherto adopted. Such a Mis-interpretaion was made by some erstwhile Tamilian-Scholars... ... basing on its parallel meaning in Tamil as SECRET,.. ... which is being blindly followed by all others... INCLUDING YOU SWAMI? So, Does that anamoly not need to be corrected?." asked Ramanuja. " Well, Ramanuja.... Keeping aside that Logic .. I ask you another point.. ...Did you not promise me NOT TO REVEAL? And is this not a Violation? And for such a Violation did I not tell you that you will go to the Worst Hell?" "Yes.Swami.. I remember. I have least forgotten it even while preaching it to others.. .. .. But by just myself one soul going to hell... if thousands of innocent common-beings can attain Salvation" ...I am happily willing to accept any worst consequence or punishment as due and as I may so deserve." replied Ramanuja and prostrated at the feet of his Guru Thirukkoshtiyoor Nambi. Immediately the Guru embraced his student Ramanuja,.. shedding tears, rapt with elation and said.. ..." Ah.! Ramanuja, You are NOT AN ORDINARY MAN!. How Great You are.!! Only God can be so LARGE-HEARTED. Are you the EMPERUMAAN ( God.. in Tamil) to think so? .. I am radically convinced by your justifications on the correct and proper meaning of the word RAHASYA in Sanskrit, ...which was wrongly understood and adopted in practice so far." Ramanuja replied... "Swami, I am sorry if I have hurt you. I have come here on a Mission. So I have to perform my duty" From that day... Ramanuja got one more name in the Society as EMPERUMAANAAR (Godly Birth) . .. as CONFERRED by Thirukkoshtiyoor- Nambi.. one of Ramanuja's Five Gurus., in succession. |
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Originally Posted by mahadevan Hi sudhaama, that was marvellous for a person during those ages to do that. Please continue...|
11-08-2005, 05:09 PM
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11-09-2005, 09:20 AM
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RAMANUJA: ADHISESHA-AWATHARA: Proved during Lifetime.
Sudhaama Sir According to Sasthras, there are Two sorts of Devotional-Service (Kainkarya) to God, named as SESHATHWAM and PAARATHANTHRIYAM - Direct Service to God is .. “Seshathwam” similar to Lakshmana in Ramayana. - Carrying out the Commands of God... is Paarathanthriyam .. similar to Bharatha. Episode: (1 ) God's Voice Declaration. On one Critical situation .. With a good intention to save his Guru .. Ramanuja’s Sishya Kooraththu-aazhawaar volunteered to introduce himself as Ramanuja and proceeded to the Chozha King .. while the Guru had been away to Kaveri River for bath. On return when Ramanuja came to know of this pellmell he tried to rush to the King for preventing any harm to his disciple ..But the idea was vehemently opposed and appealed against by his other Sishyas. Under such a dilemma... Ramanuja prayed Lord Ranganatha deity in his Pooja- room seeking His Advice and Order Immediately came the Divine-Reply ..in a Roar of Voice of God Ranganatha ..by “Asareeri” (Invisible God’s Voice). .. heard by all others around in the mutt. “ Hae Ramanuja .. this Ordeal for you is my making. Yes .. I have to forcibly thrust it on you .. because you have dragged me to that extremely reluctant stage Remember, You Aadhisesha.. what for I gave you an Awathaara as a Man on Earth? .. Just for your serving me at Srirangam?.. You are already serving me at Vaikuntam on Seshathwam. Yet I sent you to Earth.for Paarathanthriyam .. to carry out my Orders of Service on Earth. Whereas in spite of my repeaed insistance, you refused to leave Srirangam because You preferred Seshathwam only.. Whereas I do not. Because your services are more needed URGENTLY elsewhere. So proceed to Melnaadu (Present Karnataka) forthwith and furtheron to other places as you will get calls on my making. Several Earthly Kainkaryas (Services) are waiting for you. So Rush up.” “Yes, Swami Ranganatha.. if that be your Ultimate Will, I cannot think against it, but to obey. So I will rush out immediately.as per your orders” So saying he moved out of Srirangam along with his convoy. (This Episode we will look in detail later.) But the Message here is... the God’s Voice declaration .. the first authenticity .. that Ramanuja is the Aadhi-Sesha-Awathara. .. To continue .. |
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11-10-2005, 04:45 PM
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.. RAMANUJA : ADHISESHA-AWATHARA .. . (Continued)
(1) Seshathwam ( SEVAKAM in Tamil) = Direct Service to God / King / Leader... (“SEVAKAMUM” yaam paadi Varuththamum theerndhu - Thiruppaavai) (2) Paarathanthriyam (PARHAI in Tamil = Indirect Service by Carrying out the Orders of God / King / Leader (Yitrai-p-“PARHAI” kolhvaan anrhu kaanh Govindha - Thiruppaavai) Out of all others in Ramayana duly recognised by Rama for their worthy services and so invited to accompany Him to Vaikunta... .. Only Hanumaan refused to accompany .. .. while all others gladly accepted Rama’s offer, .. after that Awathaara was completed and so Hanukman was left behind on Earth. Hanuman sought to continue on Earth, because he had already tasted the pleasure of SESHATHWAM (Sevakam) .. but yet wanted to have the pleasure of PAARATHANTHRIYAM (Parhai) also more... .. which is preferred by his Lord Rama / Narayana .. from any of His devotees .. .. better than the SEVAKAM (Direct service to Himself.). Similarly the Lord Narayana wanted His best Service-man Adhisesha too be endowed with the pleasure of the other one sort of service (Kainkarya) .. named Paarathanthriyam also .. .. by which privelege, Adhisesha too can get the Attainment of PARIPOORNA -DHAASATHWAM ... .. similar to Hanuman, who has consequently become God, Deity of worship. Thus God made His best Servant Adhisesha too .. as God Ramanuja .. .. (Thaan-Aana-Thirumeni).. in the same Body and Shape retained at Srirangam Temple precincts .. .. being worshipped by his Disciples. .. at Moolavar Ramanuja Sannidhi .. now too .. a Mystery and Miracle .. that Ramanuja is still alive in the same erstwhile body .. .. even after about 1000 years of his completion of Awathara. |
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11-11-2005, 08:32 AM
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RAMANUJA: ADHISESHA-AWATHARA: Proved during Lifetime- 2
The Jain-King Pittiraya’s daughter,.. rather the Princess of the then Karnataka region, suddenly became Insane... and continued so without any imrovement for several years, in spite of intensive treatment of all sorts by many Doctors of various Schools of Medical profession available those days. Then the King tried his best by alternative means too.. .. including the Spiritual remedy by Bhuddhist and Jain monks Doubting the effect of extraneous Evil-force, reputed Manthrikas were engaged .. but with no fruitful result. So the King was much worried whether it was incurable for his affectionate daughter, the Teen-ager Princess .. due to be married as the Royal-Heir. At that stage Ramanuja had reached his Kingdom, leaving off the neighbour Chozha desam.. On the recommendation of his Minister, the Jain King invited Ramanuja to his Palace and appealed for advice. On seing the Princess, Ramanuja asked “ What is wrong with you?” “Pat came the reply.. “ Hae Swami Ramanuja the ADHISESHA AWATHARA.. I am the Brahma-Rakshasa eagerly waiting for you the Divine-Soul... Originally I am a Gandharva who became a Rakshasa due to a Curse. So to get along the days, I entered this Girls body... waiting for the day of Liberation. I am prepared to leave off.. if you can grace me Liberation by just touching my Head with your Foot.. because you are AADHISESHA.. Consequently I will be radically cleansed of all my sins along with the evil effects of the curse on me... and thus I can go back to the Gandharva my original form. Ramanuja complied with the appeal .. and immediately the Evil-force occupying the Princess body left off. The Young girl got up cheerfully as if she woke up from sleep. The Devils voice declaring Ramanuja as the ADHISESHA-AWATHARA.. was clearly audible to one and all around including the King. So not only the King started revering Ramanuja highly but also made his people too. by ordering them to pay the due honour to the Aadhisesha Awathara Ramanuja. |
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11-12-2005, 05:19 PM
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Vedas preach only UNIVERSAL-LOVE of Unity in Diversity ..NO HATRED
"viggop" // I read Ramanujar was forced to leave the Chola kingdom because Cholas were Shaivites and ramanujar practised Vaishnavism.This is from the historical point of view.Please correct me if i'm wrong here // I have already touched this point in my last post along with my specific mention that I will elaborate on that another context later, so that the current feature of Seshawathara of Ramanuja taken up now, do not go astray. However since asked for, I will take it up now itself before proceeding further on the Seshawathara factor. The Chozha King then was a Fanatic Saiva, so hating all other faiths that he insisted all his subjects be Saivites only... and so he was in the habit of inviting Non-Saivite Scholars and after a Names-sake Religious forum of Debate with his Saivite Scholars, those aliens were mocked at ridiculed insulted as well as many even punished innocently, and finally forced to be converted as Saivites. His main target used to be the Vaishnavite Scholars, the disciples of Ramanuja. Many Vedic Scholars of visiting Saivites as well as those of other Sub-faiths (Non-Saivites), tried their best to convince him .. suppported by Vedhic quotations... .. that Vedhas preach only Universal-Love of Unity in Diversity with the least scope for mutual hatred .. ..and even the Saivam’s main theme is .. “Anbae Sivam”.. and so there is no place in the Vedic-Religion for this sort of Sectarian Wrath or Narrow-minded Compartmentalisation .. .. within this Divine Subject of Religion of high Moral Values and Spiritualism .. the Large-hearted Humane pursuit. But all such wise and broadminded Scholarly persuasions went into the deaf years of the Fanatic Ruler. But one interesting and wonderful phenomena of his surroundings was .. .. that one of his ministers by name “ Naalooraan” was a staunch Vaishnavite disciple of Ramanuja. He was a Kshathriya by birth, a well-competent Administrator, very much useful personally, highly reliable in important deputationary duties and on the whole .. mostly indispensable for the Raja in his rule. Once the Chozha King asked his ministers to promulgate an Order that in all the Temples te main deity should be only Siva... and so in the Vishnu temples, those deities at the centre should be replaced by Siva-Lingams and the Vishnu deity should be placed as the Praakaara Deva behind Siva deity. Immediately his minister Naalooraan interfered .. “Maharaja, I am not interested to argue .. whether Lord Siva, your God-form is supreme or the Vishnu my God-form. I being comon to all the public, I don’t want to enterv into a controversy and thus hurt any sect or people of various Faiths, since Vedas clearly render freedom to every so called Hindu, the Vedic follower.. .. to deem that One Supreme God either as Siva or Vishnu or Kali or any other God- form .. or even as Shapeless Abstract-power.. .. according to the individual devotee’s Concept, Option and Wish. .. So let us respect each others faiths and leave at that.” said the Minister. King got angry and said.. “ Manthiri it is my Order. You must implement it.” “Maharaja when I say .. the same Vishnu we see is Siva for you .. if you so believe .. what can e your objection I am unable to follow... So to say if you worship the deity Vishnu in our Temples chanting Siva-Sthothram.. the same Vishnu will appear as Siva for that Saivite only.” The King did not agree .. Subsequently when the King was on tour of his Kingdom alongwith the Minister Naaloraan .. he saw the Vishnu deity procession in one village. Immediately the King asked “ Hae Naalooraa you are making fool of me by teaching some humbug stories. Now tell me, if I chant Nama-Sivaaya manthram addressing this Vishnu deity now appearing with Naamam.. will change into Lord Siva.. you mean. Tell me clearly. I will test it. If your such formulae fails, I wil chop of your head for cheating me.” “Yes Maharaja.. I agree” Addressing the Vishnu-deity on the procession in front... Raja chanted Siva-manthram for a few minutes closing his eyes .. Simultaneously his Minister Naalooraan too closed his eyes and prayed to his Guru Ramanuja to prove his word as correct by action. When both of them opened their eyes after a few minutes, they were wonderstruck. .. to see a miracle.!! .. Yes the same Vishnu deity was having Viboothi on His forehead in place of Naamam. The King became spellbound and said.. “Naaloora your words have come true. So let my order to convert Vishnu temples into Siva’s be withdrawn. But let Saivas be allowed to worship at Vishnu temples” “Yes Maharaja” .. and so it was done. Raja was with that village deity for about one and half hours, performing the due honours for God. After his departure, the Viboothi disappeared of its own accord, restoring the original look with Naamam. On reaching the temple... all chould hear an Asarreri Voice of God “ Let this phenomena be repeated as an annual function every year and let all the people know that Naalooraan’s worsds are EVER-TRUE. Accordingly in that Vishnu Temple at THIRUKKANNANGUDI in Chozha- Naadu in between Thanjaavoor and Nahgapattinam once a year on that day... even now-a-days .. the Vishnu deity is worn Viboothi for just one and half hours.. during the specifc festival named “THIRUNEERANI-VIZHA” However the people used to mock at the King at his back... that the King is able to convert all others including the public.. but not his minister closeby who prominently occupies the high seat of the Minister.. wearing a bright Naamam conspicuously on his forehead .. the symbol of a Vaishnavite... amongst the whole Sabha congregation of Saivites all over. Neither the Saivite scholars nor the King himself personally could win over that Minister by arguments.. Finally one day the Raja asked .. “Naaloraa ... what is your objection to become one amongst all of us as Saivite?” “Look .. all your Vaishnavite Scholars have accepted the Supremacy of Saivam .. and still why you are not getting converted to our fold .. by which you can get several more favours from me “Maharaja even if thousands of Great Scholars, including Vaishnavites.. accept the Overall supremacy of any other God over my Deity Vishnu and preach me so .. I will not accept, unless my supreme Guru Ramanuja declares so” Then the King Kuloothunga Chozhan made a new Secret- plan to bring the minister into his fold ... What is it ?.. We will look next. |
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11-12-2005, 05:52 PM
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I dont understand this thought that "My God is greater than your God".It is very childish to me.It is this type of thinking which leads to communal riots and costs lot of lives in our country.
How can Kulothunga Cholan say he is a Shaivite if he has so much hate on another God?Having hate in your heart means that no God will accept such person as a devotee.Lord Shiva would NEVER agree to have a devotee who has his heart full of hate and anger.It is an insult to the Lord himself.As a lover of Lord Shiva myself,i totally disagree with such fanatic views.This applies equally well to Vaishnavites too.If you harbour hate in heart, then you are farthest from God. 
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11-12-2005, 06:16 PM
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I dont understand this thought that "My God is greater than your God".It is very childish to me.It is this type of thinking which leads to communal riots and costs lot of lives in our country. No Religion... the God- pursuit .. advocates HATRED towards other Faiths. Ramanuja's philosophy is the Alwar's Concept of... UNIVERAL-LOVE. and .. Unified form of ALL GODS CONFINED WITHIN the HOMOGENEOUS FORM OF ONE GOD ... .. conforming to one of the Concepts of Vedas and Geetha. Ramanuja's own Scriptures, Descriptive explanations and Life History.. ... EMPHASISE this HIGH TRUTH on approach towards the Peaceful Mankind of Global Unity. |
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11-12-2005, 07:20 PM
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Exactly, Mr. Viggop/Suddhama,
As the unchallengable Swami Vivekananda had said, all religions, following different paths, lead to God, the common supreme....just as all rivers flowing thru different places ultimately end up in the sea! Gr8 man he was! 
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11-26-2005, 05:27 PM
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.. NAAMAM POATTAAR Ramanujar..?.... means Cheated..??
It has become a Mockery-Saying or a Denigrative Pseudo- Proverb in Tamil .. as “Naamam Poattaan” .. to mean somebody’s cheating . How did such a perverted sense is meant for the Divine Naamam, the Vaishnavite Symbol of God Naryana’s Holy-feet adorned in Temples and such other holy places as also worn on the Devotees’ forehead.? On what basis such a denigrative meaning emanated.? Answer for this Question is in the History of Ramnuja’s initial period of stay at Karnataka. Created by the then Jains, this Tamil-saying had been imported from Karnataka region to Tamilnadu, after Ramanuja’s revolutionary Emancipations performed invincibly there. Prior to Ramanuja’s entry there, the erstwhile Hindu King named Vishnuvardhana ruling over Karnataka region then, had been converted as Jain by their Scholars and his name was changed as “Pittiraya”. Following their King, a major part of his subjects also got converted to Jainsm. Eventualy the Jains established a capital for Jainism at Srvanabelegula near Bangalore and were propogating their Religion all over South-India. in a mass scale converting the Hindus and Budhists as Jains. In the mean time, the Princess became seriously sick due to possession by an Evil-spirit. After all sorts of their best attempts by Manthreekam and Medicines to cure the Princess became ineffective and futile, Ramanujacharya was approached, who could easily drive out the Brahma-rakshasa (Worst-Devil indwelling the Princess), as detailed hereabove earlier. Then the King was so well impressed on the Acharya, that he appealed to accept him as the follower. The request was accepted by the Guru and so the King was restored to his previous name of Vishnuvardhana, alongside becoming the disciple of Ramanuja.. Following the King’s example, his people too started realising the Greatness of the Visitor Acharya and also got much convinced by his discourses on Religion & Philosophy coupled with Life-code on Earth in union with the Overall Society. So several Jain Scholars along with their followers too voluntarily started to re-embrace Hinduism as Ramanuja’s disciples en masse. When the Jain heads at Gujarat and Rajasthan came to know of this sudden upsurge, they got alarmed of and rushed to Karnataka. to prevent further erosion of their Religion there. They vehemently conducted a malefic propoganda stating as.. .. “ Naamam poattaar Ramanujar .. and thus cheated all of you as well as the King... .. by means of some Gymmicks, Magics and illusory tricks, for which all of you people innocently succumbed. Besides they made a hue and cry to the King too... and also challenged Ramanuja to win over them by an indepth logical debate. Accordingly the debate took place at Sravanabelagola, their Southern- Regional Headquarters. Solitary Ramanuja sat on one side, facing more than a Thousand Jain Religious Scholars on the otherside of the curtain.. Jain-Scholars had come with a nefarious plan, to raise all their volley of Questions, ensuring least gap of time in between, or... .. simultaneously as well, such that the Acharya could not have adequate time to ponder or deeply think over enough to answer the Intricate and Confusive Interrogations. on high Philosophy. Since Ramanuja anticipated the cunning plans of his opponents, he insisted to conduct the debate from behind the curtain only. To the amazement of the whole mass of Jain Scholars, the Replies from a single person Ramanuja pounced back towards the Questioners within a split second... .. quite apt, as well as stupendously too... as a Simultaneous Roar of multiple voices equal to the number of Questioners.. .. as also different replies in response to various complicate questions on the tough subject of Philosophy. Consequently the Jain-scholars were left with no other alternative than to accept the Splendid Answers of Ramanuja. Then Ramanuja took up his turn to question them back... in the same manner i.e. simultaneous multiple-voices addressing the mass of different persons on the opposite side.. They could neither face the persistent onslaughts of Tough Questions, nor could answer them and so became dumbfounded. By the spur of curiosity, one of their Scholars stealthily peeped through the gap of the curtain and found Adhisesha in place of Ramanuja sitting with his multiple hoods and replying to the simultaneous volley of Questions from the other side of the curtain. On his passing on the news, several others too ascertained the fact by personal verifications and so furtheron communicated the miraculous truth to their Chief. The Chief monk asked “ Hae Ramanuja, by the mysterious way of your simultaneous roar of multiple voices of unheard of high Philosophy, we doubt you cannot be the normal mortal but a super-human. May be you are the Adhisesha. Please tell us the Truth. Are you the Adhisesha awathara.? Pat came the reply from Ramanuja. “See for yourselves”... Suddenly the Curtain was cleared off. And all could see Adhisesha alone sitting there with a Divine Shineglow. After a shortwhile, He appeared back as the cheerful Ramanuja at the same seat.. Rapt with a hgh spirit of fervour, invariably all the Jain Scholars prostrated at the feet of Ramanuja and said, ...“ We agree our Defeat, since you won over us in the debate on our Questions, as well as by making us dumbfounded by your Questions. Above all, we are well-convinced that you are the Super-human God Adhisesha. So we all surrender and appeal to you to accept us as your disciples, along with our followers al over India as well.. Accordingly Ramanuja converted those mass of Jains as his Hindu- disciples... whoever so volunteered and offered for. Even now, it can be found at Sravanabelegola of Karnataka an Inscription in the Jayasthambam in Tamil : “Thiru Ramanujachariar Jainarkalhai Vaadhil Venrha adaiyaalha Jayasthambam” Thus by means of the above narrated three episodes on diiferent occasions,. it was proved that Ramanujacharya was undoubtedly Adhisesha awathara. |
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12-01-2005, 08:00 AM
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Ok, Mr. Sudhamma, Here in this history section, when talking about Ramanuja -- all the comment these Sanskrit propagandist can give is -- 'He is great, social refomer" with a spicy splach of myth - " he is the avartar of Adi sesham". Therefore disallowing fools to raise questions about their propaganda. When what is expected more here would be, some quotes from his works - His life and time - some historical perspective. Ramanuja - is a Dualist - his ideasare very close to that of Siddhantam - though he prefered to call it Vedantam. I would like to see more facts here than just myths and open-ended statements leading us no-where! |
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12-05-2005, 08:00 AM
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Dear friends,
After reading my posts in other threads, completely refuting and demolishing the philosophies of Absolute Advaita, Qualified Advaita and Dualism, I have no doubt that the following factual remark will stimulate the discussion and help the participants to be very cautious while discussing the two completely opposing philosophies on Advaita. Ramanuja's Qualified Advaita furiously opposed and successfully demolished the philosophy of Absolute Advaita propounded by Gaudapada and Adhi Sankara. While the parallel Dvaita (Dualist) school furiously opposed and rejected the philosophy of Qualified Advaita propounded by Ramanuja. And I have unequivocally proved it in various threads that the absolute evolution of the universe from normalised "nothing" is a factual and proven reality, and it is supported by overwhelming scientific evidences, which in turn strongly supports the Buddhist worldview of Nirvana - Sunyta - Emptiness - Void - Undiminishing negation of Self/Soul/Atman/Brahman/Narayan/Ishvar/Creator/God. With above comment, I shall let the interested participants, here and elsewhere in other threads, carryon discussing what is nothing but absolutely obsolete and mutually contradicting philosophical materials that have no validity whatsoever in light of intellectual advances in the fields of science and philosophical sophistication. For full detail of my proofs, please refer to: http://forumhub.mayyam.com/hub/viewt...=asc&start=615  
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01-08-2006, 08:00 AM
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Read some where that Ramanujar was against casteism, is that true ? if so what all did he do against it ?
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02-26-2006, 01:12 AM
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Main Differences between the Concepts of RAMANUJACHARYA MADHWACHAYA and SANKARACHARYA.
As far as possible I want to run this Thread as a Commoners Forum.... without going deep into the Philosophical intricacies. So I will superficially touch the points of interest and concern. The three Acharyas Sankara, Ramanuja and Madhwa differ only on the aspect of Philosophical-concept on MUTUAL-RELATIONS between the Creator-God and the Creations. Sankara's and Madhwas Philosophies....diametrically opposite in the sense.... named ADHVAITHA(Monism) and DHWAITHA(Dualism) were their own concepts of their personal-perceptions on the Brahma-Soothra (Treatise on Vedas).... ... whereas Ramanuja's Philosophy... named VISISHTADWAITHA.... was not his own concept nor his creation.... since that Philosophy was the only Doctrine already existed right from the days of Vedic-origin.... but became extinct due to heavy and persistent onslaughts of Foreigners invasions.... not only on the Indian Nation but also on their Unique Culture and Heritage too. The Great Sankaracharya.... the Awathara (Re-incarnation) of Lord Shiva..... had accomplished within just a short period of 16 years... by walking all over India....and rendered an unparallel yeoman service to Humanity especially to Indians... by reviving the Vedic-culture with dynamic approach and voluntary challenges to the relevant Scholars of Budhism and Jainism which Religions only prominently existed then apart from six other Non-Vedic Philosophies. All such new faiths had overpowered the Vedic-Religion so called Hinduism. Then the Mahaan Sankaracharya had given life...rather RESURRECTION ... at the right moment.... to the Great Vedic Religion.. ...the emulative Human-Life-path so called Hinduism, the Unparallel Gospel of Large-Hearted Universal-Outlook.... ...intended to emancipate the Mankind by means of Soul-Realisation coupled with Social-advancement. If Sankaracharya had not taken the awathaara in India then.... perhaps the present whole India.... would have been chanting Budham Charanam Gachaami.... being Budhists predominantly..... similar to Thailand, Burma, Srilanka and the like... ... and eventually Vedas would have become radically extinct ... ...culminating in the death of the Vedic-Religion, Hinduism in the whole world. On the foundation laid by Sankaracharya, the next Acharya Ramanuja subsequently built up the further stage of VISISTHA-ADHWAITHA (Qualified Monism)... ...a Via-media Philosophy of VISISHTA-ADHWAITHA.... partly accomodating with both Dhwaitha and Adhwaitha thesis..... ...but ensuring completion and Totality of description on Brahma-Soothra... filling up the gaps left over untouched by the other two Acharyas. ...thus giving life to that pre-existed Doctrine....VISISHTA-ADWAITHA... the Original-concept of Vedas..... even prior to Sankaracharya's birth. But the Great Sankaracharya had done his best to Humanity.... ...what he felt APT and suited to that time..... DIGESTIBLE BY THE THEN-MANKIND .... To Continue. |
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02-26-2006, 01:54 AM
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Dear Sudhaama Sir
Shankaracharya is supposed to be an "extension" of Shiva.He is not a avathar of Lord Shiva.Shiva had chastised him once which made him sing Manisha Panchakam.He was also a normal human being who was blessed by Shiva.He has composed slokas on all Gods/Godesses.He finally merged with shiva lingam, i think. |
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02-26-2006, 04:00 PM
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Dear Sudhaama Sir ... it is asserted categorically that his parents fervently prayed to Lord Shiva at Vadakkunathar temple of Thirussor..... ... who appeared in the mother Aryaamba's dream and stated that He would take birth as her Son. So the child was named as SANKARA. Special honour to Vadakkunaathar-Shiva at this Temple by other deities as a grand annual celebration named POORAM-FESTIVAL... is mainly on this cause. The above-said Biographical version is presented in the Malayalam School Text-books too... approved by the Government. Such is the basic belief amongst his disciples in general, all over the world, as far as I know. Dear Mr. Viggop, if I am wrong.... please correct me.... by quoting from SANKARA-VIJAYAM... the authentic Biography of the Great Acharya. |
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06-11-2006, 08:00 AM
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Ramanujacharya - The great Philosopher and Social Reformer
Shall we exchange our thoughts about Sri Ramanujacharya..
The great Philosopher and Social reformer..... Born and brought up at Sri Perumbudhur... Just few hours drive from Chennai.... Was instrumental in developing Vaishnavism Long before, he broke the ills of casteism.... Treated all with equal respect.... Looking forward to more and more information about him and his philosophy on VISHISTADVAITHAM... |
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07-31-2006, 08:00 AM
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I read Ramanujar was forced to leave the Chola kingdom because Cholas were Shaivites and ramanujar practised Vaishnavism.This is from the historical point of view.Please correct me if i'm wrong here
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