[TorryJens]

Thanks podalangai for your reaction.

For me Nadu does mean country and not a 'idam' or place.
By chance Tamil's struggle in Sri lanka helped Tamils in India to get the respect of India, .

Just for being a part of Bharatham is our pride....and dont think, that we got pride by your struggle!

Now Tamils of India must help Sri lankan tamil to obtain a federal system or a separate state if federalism is not possible with this chauvinist govt..

This is the problem between two sects in Srilanka. As a neighbour, may be we can do something to ease the tention. But this is not our duty or some thing.

TN is the richest state i think. It is a state which produce richness.

TN is not the richest state. Infact, we have worst natural resources.....and our state has been shattered by the continuous rule of Dravidian Parties...

[Lillie_Steins]

ok srivastan ...
TN is so ONE of the most richest state of India.
Man do you live in TN or what ?

Sri vastan why Sri lanka was separated with India ??
I don't understand why now there is a country called Sri lanka...

It's a problem that britishes created but now they are hiding their face..

[MannoFr]

Feeling Indian does not mean we have to feel any less Tamil, or that we have to give up anything (other than financial independence) which we would have had as a separate country. That is the wonderful thing about India, and that is the reason why we can easily have so much loyalty to the country. Like Krishna had both Yashoda and Devaki, we have both Tamil Nadu and India. Both are our mothers, and both treat us like mothers should.

bravo !!!! Well Spoken.

[softy54534]

Podalangai,

Well ! Happy to see that you are united with whole India. It is not a bad thing to counter China emergence.

My frustration is why Sri lanka was separated of our Mother India...
If we were not separated Sinhalas could not play this game..

[Peptobismol]

Podalangai,

Well ! Happy to see that you are united with whole India. It is not a bad thing to counter China emergence.

My frustration is why Sri lanka was separated of our Mother India...
If we were not separated Sinhalas could not play this game..

May be a valid point. But Britishers are like that....

[Fegasderty]

Whilst whatever may be said of the attitude of the Britishers with regard to the manner in which independence was given, it is also clear that the "independence history" of India and Sri Lanka were different in many aspects. There was a congress organisation in Sri Lanka after Nehru's visit there to mediate with regard to the disputes between Indian labourers and plantation owners, but no politician either from that org'n or other political parties had asked to join "India". Gandhi and Nehru and other Indian leaders did not ask for Lanka to be included. So how do you pin the blame on the Britishers and if you did, would it be historically correct.?

Ref: 1. History of Sri Lankan Indians(2001), Prof S Sandarasegaran. Colombo University. KP Pte Ltd 201, Dam St, Colombo 12.
2. A History of the British Empire and Commonwealth, by J A Williamson.

[PhillipHer]

Bis_mala..

So how do you pin the blame on the Britishers and if you did, would it be historically correct.? Your post is a bit pathetic..

British have destroyed the royalty.. They fabricated India as a nation.. They ruled by dividing..

Like in Sri lanka majority of administration posts were gave to the minority Tamils but after the Independance, the Sinhalas took revenge giving the majority of the administration jobs for Sinhalas even where 95% of the population is Tamil (IT IS STILL THE CASE).

British favorised the minorities as that the majority could be against the minorities...Now look the mess, daily killings of innocents.

[radikal]

Bis_mala..

So how do you pin the blame on the Britishers and if you did, would it be historically correct.?

Your post is a bit pathetic..

British have destroyed the royalty.. They fabricated India as a nation.. They ruled by dividing..

Like in Sri lanka majority of administration posts were gave to the minority Tamils but after the Independance, the Sinhalas took revenge giving the majority of the administration jobs for Sinhalas even where 95% of the population is Tamil (IT IS STILL THE CASE).

British favorised the minorities as that the majority could be against the minorities...Now look the mess, daily killings of innocents. I do not think you have got my point. You can blame the British for many things, that is not my point. At the time the independence was about to be given, Indian leaders did not ask for Sri Lanka to be given to them so that India and Lanka could form into one entity. The Lanka leaders too did not ask the Indian leaders to include them in their new India so that they could form into one entity. Both the Lanka leaders and Indian leaders did not address the British on this issue that both territoties should be amalgamated into one region. So, you cannot blame the British for the separation of Lanka and India into separate entities even if you are right in blaming the British for a lot of other things.

On the question of the alleged divide and rule policy, India was never a single entity before the advent of the British East India Company. They (a trading company) forged the subcontinent into one entity. Even the congress party was started by the white men!!

There is nothing pathetic about my post.

WHO COINED THE TERM "India"?

[Paul Bunyan]

Bismala,

So if i understood you are great admirator of the British..

Who resold Indian textile to Indians ??
Who built railway for a dynamic stealing ??
Who propaganded the false AIT ?
Who profited of Tata Steel during the W.W ??
And a lot ...

I do not want to continue to talk about that here.. Open a new thread i you want argue about british colonisation of 1/4 of the emerged ground of this Earth !!

[LottiFurmann]

Eelavar, Crazy, and others: Please stick to this topic of this thread. This thread was not opened to discuss whether Tamil Nadu should be a separate entity or not.

Neither would we like to encourage such separtist discussions in this Forum.

[NeroASERCH]

Eelavar, Crazy, and others: Please stick to this topic of this thread. This thread was not opened to discuss whether Tamil Nadu should be a separate entity or not.

Neither would we like to encourage such separtist discussions in this Forum.

sorry badri!

[S.T.D.]

Thanks podalangai for your reaction.
For me Nadu does mean country and not a 'idam' or place.

Ningal solluvadhu sari daan, eezhavare! Nadu has the connotation of country, though it can also mean other things. The thing is, when people were interested in breaking away from India in the 1940s and 1950s, the independent Tamil country was to be called "Tamil Nadu". Permitting the renaming of Madras presidency to "Tamil Nadu" was a symbolic gesture on India's part, to say that we could have our ideal of a home for Tamils while still remaining part of India.

By chance Tamil's struggle in Sri lanka helped Tamils in India to get the respect of India, unfortunately it is still not the case for us..

The respect was not because of Sri Lanka, eezhavare! In the 1950s, there were some politicians who wanted India to become more uniform and less embracing of diversity. This was symbolised by the position of Hindi. But since the 1960s, the attitude has was abandoned, and now all Indians take pride in the culture of all parts of India, and no culture is seen as being "more" Indian. It is because of this that there is respect at the level of common man.

For Tamils in Tamil Nadu, the war with China also changed our attitude. During the war, even the most hardcore separatists of the DMK were collecting money and relief for the Indian army soldiers. It made us realise what a strong emotional bond we had with the rest of India.

I am going out of my character by writing a serious rather than a humorous post, but I am explaining this because I have met many Sri Lankan Tamils who do not understand how we feel about India and Tamil Nadu. Feeling Indian does not mean we have to feel any less Tamil, or that we have to give up anything (other than financial independence) which we would have had as a separate country. That is the wonderful thing about India, and that is the reason why we can easily have so much loyalty to the country. Like Krishna had both Yashoda and Devaki, we have both Tamil Nadu and India. Both are our mothers, and both treat us like mothers should.

Now Tamils of India must help Sri lankan tamil to obtain a federal system or a separate state if federalism is not possible with this chauvinist govt.

The people would do it, but God only knows what our various thalaivars and thalaivis have in mind.

[Raj_Copi_Jin]

Originally Posted by podalangai Feeling Indian does not mean we have to feel any less Tamil, or that we have to give up anything (other than financial independence) which we would have had as a separate country. That is the wonderful thing about India, and that is the reason why we can easily have so much loyalty to the country. Like Krishna had both Yashoda and Devaki, we have both Tamil Nadu and India. Both are our mothers, and both treat us like mothers should.

bravo !!!! Well Spoken.

[HedgeYourBets]

Apart from whatever reasons one may find in linguistics, using the term "proto-whatever" has the virtue of avoiding a feeling of having been left out, in the minds ( of people ) of the other members of a language family. It will promote an objective research environment.

[9mm_fan]

The reason is because Tamil is a separate language that is spoken in modern society. Modern tamil is not the exact same as the ancient Tamil that branched off into the southern languages. It has evolved and made many changes. I have heard that Sri Lankan Tamil is actually more similar to ancient Tamil than that which is spoken in Tamil Nadu.

Anyways, they call it Proto-Dravidian because they want to avoid confusion with modern Tamil, which is different from ancient Tamil.

[tgs]

Proto-Dravidian > Proto-Telugu > Telugu;

Proto-Dravidian > Proto-Kannada> Kannada.

Proto-Dravidian > Proto-Ta/Mal > Malayalam.

Proto-Dravidian > Proto -Ta/Mal > Proto-Tamil > Tamil.


So it goes.


Ta/Mal = Tamil & Malayalam before they split.