[HedgeYourBets]

No, God wasn't there, in the thoughts of the woman or the boy! If he existed even, it did not matter!

Well, it did not bother the woman, where she will transcend! She was just pleased to see the injured man happier. God is a concept so it doesnt matterif you think about it or not. Itis also good to be pleased by helping others...

But to be aware of being trasncending is the highest state a human can acheive in his life because , it is the moment he realizes his own true nature....he trascends all his boundaries and limitations to freedom.

If some one wants only brief moments of that state (parol freedom) that is okay, but if one wants permanent freedom from the prison with awareness, that is a choice one has to make.

[radikal]

Nice post Sudhaama. Intelligent people all over the world have realized how great Vedic culture is and they have praised it. The Vedic civilization was the first advanced civilization on Earth and it directly influenced the Greeks and other great civilizations.

[LottiFurmann]

Sigh, Now two Senior Vedics Sir Viggops and Sir Pradeep has started a smear campaign on Siddhars and Arunagirinathar!

Yah, they have read 'some Siddhar Songs' and some 'Arunagirinathar Songs'. Sexy Sexy Sexy!

But, they have cleverly forgotten those Tamil songs, they read a long time ago. Forgive them!

[Peptobismol]

I do not know the philosophical meaning of Kamasutra.Perhaps well read person like Pradheep can explain philosophical meaning to you.

Can he give and 'straight to the point' explanation?

[S.T.D.]

I don't know what and which Siddhars, Sir Pradheep and Sir Viggops are talking of.

But, I think you should give some verses here.

But Arunagirinathar did not talk well of illicit sex - you can see that in many of his Thirupugazhs. ''kariya kuzhal mathar thangal - adi suvadu....,' etc etc.

If you read his life story - you will understand why he condemns illicit sex. He was fooling around and regreted later.

There are no 'deeeeep' or hidden meanings in Thirupugazh. They go straight to the point!

[LottiFurmann]

Can he give and 'straight to the point' explanation? Dear Idiappam,
Sometimes when I point my specific house, among other houses from a cliff, I would say "That house on which a crow is sitting"....... And you are saying be staight to the point , which house it is.

Hope you like this example , instead of a food example, which stimulates appetite in you.

well if you can get what i say, i will also be to the point.


Sometime, a layman with no knowledge, or no interest in God, attains the 'highest level' of spirituality! YOu don't need to know God to reach the highest level. Can you explain highest level, spirituality and God in your understanding, please idiappam sir (your very name make my mouth watery).

[Ifroham4]

Dear Idiappam
Give me time I will get the siddhar songs. If you go to thanjavur and thirvanthapuram oali chuvadi collection, majority of them are decoded but they cant interpret the meaning of it.

I have highlighted how we can miss interpret the literature based on our prejudice. Since you do not want to accept them, you are calling the moderators.

I see no difference between sanskrit and tamil literaure. both talk of the same truth. if our minds are prejudiced then we can fight a war like others. But I am not interested in fighting. I am interested in debates (darga) to understand but I am not for vidanta-vada. Some are here only for vidanta-vada.

based on the example for the food eating habits I wrote how our personlaities differ and become the basis for satvic, rajasic and tamasic behaviour. Point what is wrong in these interpretations and I am ready to accept and correct myself. if you are also ready for such moves, then we can discuss these aspects.

Truth always burns and purifies and that is why as a symbol of fire we have saffron color in our tradition.

[Ifroham4]

Sir Pradheep said:

Since you think God as a person sitting in heaven you say god was not there. that is your problem of understanding (sorry to be rude...only to get you to the point). No, God wasn't there, in the thoughts of the woman or the boy! If he existed even, it did not matter!

There are different levels to transcend. As I discussed earlier, act of sex , singing bhajans, meditation, yoga, contemplation, selfless service, etc. . Well, it did not bother the woman, where she will transcend! She was just pleased to see the injured man happier.

'aduthavarin sumaikalai sumappathoru sugamadaa!' (Arichchandran flim song - Karthick starred)

[softy54534]

Dear idiappam

What do you thing is the essence of Andal and Abirami Bhattar. Then we can discuss what kama.

[Raj_Copi_Jin]

Sir Viggop,

What did Abirami Bhattar and Andal mean when they used the word 'kama'?? What did Valluvar use it for?

Does it include 'seduction of the neighbours wife' as prescribed in the Kamasutra?? Or are there some 'deeeeep, deeeeeep' philosophies associated with 'seducing thy neighbours wife'?

How much deeper should we go for maximum contentment as far as Kamasutra is concerned?

[HedgeYourBets]

Also, siddhars and Arunagirinathar are people who have reached highest level-- they have direct experience of Gods(skandar anuboothi).

Having a direct experience of Gods - is NOT reaching the highest level, Sir Viggop!

Sometime, a layman with no knowledge, or no interest in God, attains the 'highest level' of spirituality!

YOu don't need to know God to reach the highest level.

[Fegasderty]

No, Raghu! The Vedic Culture is very very very rich! We should discuss that here! Bring it to the world to enjoy!

Shall I start??

[Beerinkol]

Idiappam Sir
How does a layman reach highest level without knowing "God"? I do not understand that post.
can you please explain? are there some people who have reached highest level without knowing God.I thought the highest level is "Moksham", rt? for that you atleast have to know that God exists?

[NeroASERCH]

I am really surprised that after all that pontificating about keeping the section free of fanaticism and narrow sectarianism, the administrators allowed this thread.
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I clearly see that the author of this thread has excluded Jainism, Buddhism, Sikhism, Christianity (here for 2000 years) and islam (which has been in India right from the time of the Prophet), host of tribal religions etc from his notion of INDIAN HERITAGE..
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The contrived nod to 'concern for common-man of Humanity' etc..is artificial and only a fig leaf to hide a narrow vision. One can sense pent up abuse just behind the facade.
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It is clear that some individuals frustrated with the anti-abuse policy of the Hub now are trying to inject their poisonous views surreptiously, when no one is looking, with lot of fake sanctimoniuosness.
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I think the admins need to be more alert.
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[HedgeYourBets]

A suggestion: Instead of this narrow focus on any one particular religion, why not discuss how the different cultures that have gotten integrated into India have enriched India and the Indian psyche?

After all, the title is Large-Hearted INDIAN-HERITAGE Common for MANKIND...and certainly, Indian heritage includes much more than just religion!

Any takers?

[Paul Bunyan]

Dear Idiappam

If you literally take any scripture it will make no sense , only NON-SENSE.

Many years back I read a siddhar song (i cant recollect..if Iget the source..I will post). The siddhar song is about the prescription of a herbal medicine for diabetes. The song if literally taken would means that go to madurai azhagar malai and have sex three times a day, squeezing her middle in the morning more with to and fro actions....holding the fleshmore in the mouth...when it is is warm enough....(ooops.... censured...) .....with the lady with violet flowers on her head.

The intended meaning is to collect the violet flower bearing herb found in the azhagar hills and to use it three times a day by squeezing the different parts of the plant at different times of the day and boil it for specificied period of time and while warm hold it into the mouth before gulping.... as a medicine for diabetes.

Now if one does not have any idea about the intention of the siddhar song, then he or she will understand (interpret) it as a porno-literature and would declare the siddhar is a sex-swamiyar.

Without understanding the purpose, if one read the song, then the words like "squeezing" ,"middle" region, "boil", "heat" "sizzle" "to and fro" would give the person "ERRECTION" resulting in testical secretion instead of helping his pancreas to secrete insulin.

This is the sad state of people who read vedas too. Any way to help you think a little..I am quoating a few intended meaning of words used in vedas. If not any one can understand vedas as a recipe for "hot dogs" or "Hot-Horse".


go: Cow; each go stands for a particular type of Light or Knowledge.

ashva: Horse; stands for the vital energy which the devās can bestow.


adri: Hill; the force or beings of inconscience and ignorance.


āpah: Water; the divine energies flowing from the heights purifying all mankind.


nadi: River; the flowing current of energies.

[Beerinkol]

Dear Mr."Idiappam"

// Sometime ago, in Singapore, one worker.... with all the money she had, about fifty dollars. Then on she was there everyday, fed hid, wiped him etc etc for weeks till he was discharged.

That is what I call 'highest level of spirituallity' - the woman's. God wasn't there! Thirumoolar called that 'Anbe Sivam'//
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"Anbae-Sivam". / Anbae- Arham / Anbae-Inbam / Anbae-Irhaivan / Yaavarum-Kaelhir ..

... is one part of the Indian-Heritage... especially well-highlighted by Tamilian-Culture world-wide....

... which Hearty-spirit has been emphasised by the Great-Bible and Dhammapadha too.

But the attitude of Humane-Love which you have quoted above... depicts the GREATNESS OF MIND-HEALTH of the Person concerned.

... Broad-Mind is different from Spiritualism... the latter is relevant to Soul- approach and its Application.

When a person states... "By Heart and Soul ... I mean and act so."

The Word "Heart" here means his "Mind" and the "Soul" means his 'Spiritual- attiude" or Approach.

Spiritualism is developed by Soul-Culture with or without the help of Religion.

The whole world identifies and discerns Indian-Heritage...

... as more Spiritual - oriented... when compared to other Nations.

Spiritualism is... ARHA-UNHARVU... or AANMEEHAM... in Tamil.

Anbae -Inbam... is the initial stage of Humanism...

.. which leads to the next higher plane of... ARHA-INBAM.. the .highest degree called PAERINBAM ...

...an Inbam (Happiness) with the least admixture of Thunbam (Sorrow) ..

which is differentiated by the word.. SITRINBAM.

"ARHATHTHAAL VARUVADHAE INBAM "... says Thirukkuralh...

"ARHAM-SEYA-VIRUMBU"... says Avvaiyaar.

. .which means Spiritualistic attitude ... Vital for Mankind.... according to Indian- Heritage

... which GREAT INNER MIGHT has to be developed by Soul-Power (Irrespecive of Religion).

... to ensure the MEANINGFUL HAPPINESS in Life... with Family and the Society

[S.T.D.]

I take the chinese lady helping the bangaladeshi as a form of Godliness.

[Fegasderty]

Also, siddhars and Arunagirinathar are people who have reached highest level-- they have direct experience of Gods(skandar anuboothi).
A mortal like me has a long way to go to reach a level to even make bad comments on saints like arunagirinathar and siddhars.
for me,arunagairinathar's works are very holy and will be sung in temples , even though some people might consider it as filth just because of their kama content.

[Fegasderty]

The Vedic civilization was the first advanced civilization on Earth and it directly influenced the Greeks and other great civilizations.

Can you elaborate and explain What is vedhic culture and how it influenced the Greeks ?

f.s.gandhi