[S.T.D.]

[Please understand that these “broad minded humanity” comes under “Culture” category. If you can’t understand this, then I have to call you idiotappam. *

Good one!

[S.T.D.]

Unfortunatley for most of our heritage we give too much importance to the form than the content, and call the form as sacred, that is the reason our culture(like most others *) looks funny for those who question it.

Exactly! Which was y even the Bhagwad Gita was undermined (even by Indians themselves) as just a "holy book for Hindus" for a long time before its contents were expounded to most of its readers....it wasn't until I read "An Understanding of the Bhagwad Gita" by Swami Ranganathananda (who has explicitly explained the meaning of all the slokas w/ relevance to current/modern scenario & actual practical application rather than just a theoritical read & remember form in a 'sacred' script!) tat I realised how knowledgable the book's teaching cud be!

* In other cultures mostly in west, their documents are often revised, look at the first few centuries after christ, the religious text went multiple iterations. Even now people try to reinterpret their text with relevance to the modern thought.

Not only west, I was told by a Muslim friend tat this is the case even w/ the Quran, which is updated & reinterpreted w/ relevance to modern times/thinking.

[Paul Bunyan]

Sudhaama Sir
continue on the Bhagawatham please.

[NeroASERCH]

Originally Posted by r_kk [Please understand that these “broad minded humanity” comes under “Culture” category. If you can’t understand this, then I have to call you idiotappam. *

Good one! aiyaiyo! amaam samy pottathan polaikalaam/ Idiappam theirnjuko!

[Fegasderty]

once Veda Vyasa was meditating in his ashram.suddenly, he had an intense feeling o see his son sage Suka.Veda Vyasar came out of ashram and cried along "where is Suka?"

it seems the entire forest with trees and birds answered his question "I am here".This is because Sage Suka was so merged with the Brahmam through his brahma vignya that there was no difference between the forest trees ,birds and Suka Maharishi

[brraverishhh]

One more story about the greatness of sage Suka who recited the srimad bhagwatham to King Parikshit.

Once Sage Suka and his father Veda Vyasar was crossing a river.There were lot of women bathing in the river.When sage suka crossed the river, they stood up to bow to him even though they were naked.But,when Vyasar crossed next,they covered their bodies with clothes.Sage Vyasa was surprised about this and asked the women who were bathing why they behaved differently towards his son.They answered that Sage Suka was immersed in Brahmam that he did not even notice the difference between man , woman.For him ,no difference existed between himself and the women.both were manifestations of Brahmam.But, Vyasa considered them as different from his own body and hence they covered their bodies when he passed.

[9mm_fan]

Can't they (the story tellers) think of something else to prove their point - the greatness of their Sage, - something other than women baring thier bodies.

[Lt_Apple]

Can't they (the story tellers) think of something else to prove their point - the greatness of their Sage, - something other than women baring thier bodies.

Tat makes me think- can't today's film makers think of sumthing else to prove their film's worth- the logic behind their story,- sumthing other than women baring their bodies!

- Sorry 4 the digression, other guys.......but cudn't help typing this!

[LottiFurmann]

Idiappam,

you are great!

I followed your AUM and I am carried away too!

AUM..................

[Lillie_Steins]

Those are the stories which have been repeated for centuries.Obviously, they are not considered vulgar.For e.g., we have lot of slokas in Sanskrit and Tamil praising all body parts of Gods and Godesses in Hindu Pantheon(like Soundarya lahari,abhirami andhathi etc).But, it is not edited to suit modern opinions and is still considered holy.


So,listen to the story of Bhagwatham.You'll find Lord Krishna's leelas sizzling() but just listening to it made Parikshit a jivan muktha.

[Lt_Apple]

he he he! Viggop. That's what Idiappam was shouting about. Treat stories like stories, giving them the 'years ago' thought.

and not - 'this holy' 'that very rich' this good for mankind' opinions. leave it to the reader to form an opionion. You just tell the story.

amd every one will be fine.

[Lt_Apple]

viggop wrote : So,listen to the story of Bhagwatham.You'll find Lord Krishna's leelas sizzling() but just listening to it made Parikshit a jivan muktha.

Thanks buddy, keep your posting and let me hear more of it and become a jivan muktha

[MannoFr]

Uthapam and Mahadevan
I totally agree with you opinion that while some people like me consider Bhagwatham holy,it need not be the views of other people. Every one has the right to have his or her own opinion and should not be expected to jalra other people's views.

[Raj_Copi_Jin]

I'll be copying and pasting Bhagwatham from another place like I did for Kamba Ramayana thread.

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janmaadi asya yata: anvayaat itarata: ca artteshu abhijna swaraat
tene brahma hRudaa ya aadikavaye muhyanti yat soorya:
tejo vaari mRudaam yathaa vinimayo yatra trisarggo mRushaa
dhaamna swena sadaa nirasta kuhakam satyam param dheemahi 1.1.1

(I meditate upon the one who is responsible for the creation, sustinance and dissolution through union and separation, who is the form of knowledge in all beings, who explained the Veda/Knowledge to Brahma in his mind, who attracts even the most learned, who makes the thriguna creation real, who is always beyond Maaya, who is eternal and Parameswara.)

yam pravrajantam anupetam apetakRUtyam
dvaipaayano virahakaatara aajuhaava
putreti tanmayatayaa taravo abhinetu:
tam sarvabhoota hRudayam munim aanatosmi 1.2.2

(Sreesuka brahmaRshi was going absolutely detached, without upanayanam, free of any actions. His father, Vyaasa bhagavaan followed him as he could not bear his son's separation addressing 'oh! Son'. Sreesuka who was enjoying the brahmam did not hear this because of his abheda state. But, as HE is the dweller of all beings, all the trees answered Vyaasa. I bow to that great Rushi who dwels in all hearts.)

vadanti tat tattvavida: tattvam yat jnaanam advayam
brahmeti paramaatmeti bhagavaan iti sabdyate 1.2.11

(People who now the reality say that the supreme is one. It is the same thing that is called as 'brahmam', 'paramaatmaa', 'bhagavaan' depending on how they refer to it.)

[Big A]

dharma projjita kaitavotra paramo nirmatsaraanaam sataam
vedyam vaastavamatra vastu sivadam taapatraya unmoolanam
sreemad bhaagavate mahaamunikRute kim vaa parair eeswara:
sadyo hRudi avaruddhyatetra kRutibhi susrooshubhi: tatkshaNaat 1.1.2

(Srimad bhaagavatm, done by great Vyaasa Maharshi describes the dharmaa that is followed by pure souls who are are free of competition and pretention. These dharmas are eternal absolute. It announces the supreme truth that takes care of us by burning the three taapaas. The lord shines in the heart of those (immediately) who enjoy this work of Vyaasa bhagavaan.)

vaasudevaparaa vedaa vaasudevaparaa makhaa:
vaasudevaparaa yogaa: vaasudevaparaa kriyaa: 1.2.28
vaasudevaparam jnaanam vaasudevaparam tapa:
vaasudevaparo dharmo vaasudevaparaa gati: 1.2.29

(Everything (veda, yajna, yoga, kriya, jnaanam, tapas, dharma) proclaims the supreme reality of vaasudeva and leads one to vaasudeva.)

sa evam sasarjjaagre bhagavaan aatma maayayaa
sat asat roopayaa caasou gunamayee aguna: vibhu 1.2.30

(That supreme lord, who is beyond gunaas used his own maaya with guna, cause and effect to create this universe and entered into everything.)

[Big A]

naaraayaNam namaskRutya naram caiva narottamam
devIm saraswatIm vyaasam tato jayam udIrayet 1.2.4

(namaskaarams to naaraayana, nara, vaagdevata, vyaasa bhagavaan and start the Bhaagavatam)

jagRuhe paurusham roopam bhagavaan mahadaadibhi:
sambhootam shodasakalam aadau loka sisRukshayaa 1.3.1

(The Lord accepted the aadipurusha form, with 16 kalaas/amsaas, first to start his creation. 16 -> 5 kaRmmendriyas, 5 Jnaanendriyaas, 5 elements, mind etc. starting with mahat tattvam. So anything in this universe is nothing but a part of the Supreme)

yasya ambhasi sayaanasya yoganidraam vitanvata:
naabhihrada ambujaad asIt brahma viswasRujaam pati: 1.3.2

(The Lord was in yoga nidra in the causal water and there appeared a lotus from his naval (seed of the universe). The creator Brahma appeared in that.)

pasyantiado roopam adabhra cakshushaa sahasra paada ooru bhuja aanana adbhutam
sahasra moordha sravaNa akshi naasikam sahasra mouli ambara kunDala ullasat

(The form of aadipurusha/aadinaaraayanaa has many legs, thighs, hands, faces, heads, ears, eyes, noses. He is in splendor with many crowns, eardrops and dresses. This divine form (viswaroopam) is seen only by tapasvIs through their divine sight. This is the base for all the avataaraas and creation.)

[Raj_Copi_Jin]

You mean the Bhagawatha Purana written by Baladeva in the 13th Century?

[Peptobismol]

Suka rishi is also the son of Veda Vyasar and an apsara .
He had a parrot like face.Even though a boy, he was supposed to be a brahma gnaani.There is even a temple for him in North India in one of Vishnu's thiruthalams.

Suka rishi learnt a lot of things from King janaka.Janaka was a king who performed all duties of king but still was a jeevan muktha.

[9mm_fan]

Why blame the movie makers, when even the god-men get carried away...

Lord, I don't now how much you get carried away, but I get carried away when it comes to this subject. AUM!

[Ifroham4]

Dear Sudhaama: While I am honestly touched by the regard you have for me, I am surprised that after all that talk of wisdom and maturity, you would want to withdraw simply based on a suggestion to change the title of the topic. Isn't that unwise and immature?

Kindly consider the following facts.
We have repeatedly seen in the Hub that sweeping statements such as the earlier title of this topic have caused acrimony and hurt sentiments. Instead of beginning a thread by already forcing down the view that the Bhagawatham is indeed THE panacea for all human ills, it would have been infinitely better to have developed the theme and then letting people decide and judge for themselves whether it is indeed for all humanity or not.

I understand your enthusiasm for the great purana. I share your enthusiasm personally. Besides, all the puranas and ithihasas are part of the rich Indian heritage and culture. Which is why none of these threads have been locked or removed, but allowed to continue discussing these stories. But we have to draw the line if these threads aim at establishing any one epic as the best, the most glorious, the absolute path for all humanity etc.

With your wealth of knowledge, it is unfair if you do not participate. I request you to kindly consider this suggestion in the best spirit, which you have demonstrated on other occasions and take up the narration of tales from Bhagawatham and clarifying hubber queries with regard to the same.

DearMr. Badri,

My detailed posting is Self-explanatory.... containing the the Answers for each and every point you have raised. now too. ...

Further I add...

My intention was a Healthy-discussion in a SPECIFIC-ASPECT... towards which I wanted to kindle the Thoughts ... Pro or Anti... Yes I welcome... Let the various Hubbers put forth their views on this specific direction.

Those who VEHEMENTLYDISAGREE with me today... will fall in line with my stand on one day in future... I am sure... because it is the fact ...which I have to bring it to light... from IRUTTU ARAI.

I feel your posting was a CHARGE ON ME... a blow on my Enthusiasm... not because of your insistence for the change of the Title... Please understand.

But because of your blatant attack on me... as if I am unfair and one-sided FANATIC... and we are the parties under loggerheads ... which you have interfered to settle down..

Where was the misunderstanding or a ugly turn towards the wrong direction.?

Some of my friends have wisely questioned me... which I had appreciated and am replying PART BY PART... in the midst of my Tight-Schedule... After all this a Forum... I wait for others too to put forth their divergent views.

If you wanted ... you cou;d have put forth your Independant views... pro or anti to mine... I would have welcomed it.

But there is NO ROLE NOW for the Modertor to interfere unnecessarily.. which is a provocation and Bad-precedence, I consider.

In brief.... realising your delicate commitment as a Moderator... I say...

If I were you.... I would have waited for that Sudhaama's way of handling ... observe closely, Healthy or Unhealthy... in the interest of the Hub. in the long run... without unnecesarily poking my nose in between the Circle of Friends.

Please note... there are several Threads here.... where the same Frends here are vehemently countering with me, at one stage and coming round with me at a later stage.... It goes on so... Both the sides amongst us, gain Knowledge by Give and Take.

Have I done any damage to The Hub at any time in the past, by way of my wrong-handling?

... or Rubbing on the Wrong-side?.. which lesson forced you to interfere now as a preventive- measure?

.You say I am Unwise and immature.!

Please go through my Reply-postings here and then you can judge.