[Drugmachine]

srivatsan,

I think Vidhi and Karma works togheter, in fact i think they are the same things !!

Vidhi is made of Karma, and Karma is made of Vidhi...

[TorryJens]

Truth! I really don’t understand what exactly people wish to covey by including such an elusive term in their propositions, whose significance exclusively rests on the meaning of 'truth', which itself remains undefined.

Dear Badri,

May I kindly request you to provide a comprehensive definition of 'truth'; and then tell us how close do you really believe one can get to know the 'truth' as defined, in the context of your above statement. Also, please tell us whether your definition of 'truth' is known universally or not.

So much for trying to inject a bit of humor in this discussion! Come on, really Rohit, I'd have though you'd have cottoned on to what I was saying! Cease this hairsplitting and enjoy a joke for what it is!

[NeroASERCH]

Originally Posted by crazy rachel..............GOD is not cruel............we cant blame God........for what we doing or how we r living...........its all our karma

Dear crazy,
What you say is really well and good, but when and where did one's karma begin? If you really can understand this question and provide us a sensible answer, I will really be very grateful to you and will be very pleased. Please, enlighten us all with your Craziest knowledge. Thank you. Dear Rohit,
well according to my craziest knowledge...............the karma begins in the very first jenmam , i guess! f.ins. i was born as an ant in my first birth..........i was a bad ant and did bad stuffs so from there on .............my karma begins its game, it follow me to the next birth and so on and so on. Now iam a human who cant understand why certain things happens to me and to other ppl.............so what i do is trying to blame in vidhi or karma...........which i cant see, neither understand.

ok let me be a bit serious, Dear, i dont know............why in the first place God chose me to live, why i was born as an ant or a human or whatever, but what i know is things happen without any reason, reason which i cant find, which i cant understand.............i DONT want to blame God or Evilness or whatever, so i simply blame myself and my karma.............in that way i try to be a better person, a person who tries to accept things the way they r, a person who tries to console herself with her CRAZIEST knowledge.

there is only one thing i want to see.........no matter why u born or what u gonna do in this life or what u did in previous life, the fact is that u r living, u r a person.................SO BE A GOOD HUMAN BEING...............how? by helping others, by not doing any evil or bad to others, be kind, be etc etc.

it doesnt matter whether u believe in karma or vidhi or god.............what matter is How u r living or how useful ur life is to others

[TorryJens]

Suhruthukkale Vanakkam

Assuming that "Sanaathana Dharmam" was a part and parcel of Indian Hisotry and Culture, I chose to open this topic in Indian History & Culture section. One of the main aspects of Sanaathana Dharmam is Karma. What is this Karma?

Well, Karma means Action - Action of one self.

Another important words that we can hear on almost every hour is Vidhi, which means a "Predetermined Rule or Dictum", that governs our action....So this literally boils down to "Kozhiyil Irundu Muttayaa or Muutayil Irundu Kozhiyaa"?

This is really a million dollar question that has been pondered by Great Sages of our Past. Let us also do our ponderings. We shall discuss about these two words. I hope this will enlighten all of us.

[Beerinkol]

vidhi is law(cause and effect). Karma is action, which obeys vidhi - law (cause and effect).

[tgs]

vidhi is law(cause and effect). Karma is action, which obeys vidhi - law (cause and effect).

So do you mean to say there is no free will and everything is pre-decieded? If so, why there shd be a Krutha Yuga where people all only good and a Kali Yuga where most are bad......? Pls come up with a clear explanation. I think, I have understood your words clearly....

[MannoFr]

So do you mean to say there is no free will and everything is pre-decieded? Dear srivatsan
Everything is pre-destined , but there is free will. It looks like contradictory statements. The fact that fire will burn is pre-destined (the cause and effect). Whether to put finger in fire or not is the free will that I can exercise. Vidhi is that fire will char the flesh, my free will is whether to get my finger charred or not.

Whether I put my finger or not will be based on my previous thoughts and actions (Karma). Karma is action which originates from thoughts. No action can be performed without a thought. So to change karma one has to change the thoughts.

Nature of human mind always seek outside and never inside. A mind that seeks inwards will have lessened thoughts and lessended actions and good actions. The mind that goes outwards is always excited and agitated.

In Kali Yuga the wandering or outward seeking mind would be to the extreme and so too much bad actions results.

[Raj_Copi_Jin]

No action can be performed without a thought Not true...

Freud said that most of things we do is inconsciously...

What is an inconscious act ? There is no thought behind it..

My opinion is that Vidhi creates the actions and so the Karma...

[Paul Bunyan]

Freud said that most of things we do is inconsciously You are talking about habits. I am talking about the source of any aciton is a thought. Analyze any action....
while driving a car in most moments you might be driving without the thought of driving, you might be thinking something else. But the driving action was initiated by a thought. I am not talking about habitual actions , but the very source of actions.

[radikal]

pradheep,

I'm not talking about habits..

What i tried to say is that conscience is the most of time an illusion...We live in fact without conscience .. We are like robots.

Humans can control robots, but God control everything... It's what i tried to say...

If spontanous (coming from nothing) actions are possible we must restudy the pysics laws.

[NeroASERCH]

The fact that fire will burn is pre-destined (the cause and effect). Whether to put finger in fire or not is the free will that I can exercise. Vidhi is that fire will char the flesh, my free will is whether to get my finger charred or not.

Whether I put my finger or not will be based on my previous thoughts and actions (Karma). Karma is action which originates from thoughts. No action can be performed without a thought. So to change karma one has to change the thoughts.

In Kali Yuga the wandering or outward seeking mind would be to the extreme and so too much bad actions results.

Good explanation indeed. Well....if a bomb balsts, people who are near it will die...this is cause and effect or vidhi...So when few pigrims died when there was a bomb blast in Varanasi, then is it their Fate becuz no on would like to be a near a bomb if they know...... so, that they died is thir Vishi, even if their supposed Karma was not for that..right? So which one preceeds the other?

[Lillie_Steins]

An extension to Pradeeps view...

Fate is only the outcome of our past karma, which include the trident “thought, word and physical action”.

For more about Karma, check this out
http://laluni.helloyou.ws/netnews/bk/fire/fire1188.html

In my view, Fate generates “new opportunities” based on ones past karma, and it is entirely up to one’s Self (in the caps, of course) what one makes out of such opportunities. That is Conscious Creation through the Power of Choice. What influence these choices is the idea that one has about one’s Self (here too, caps), I guess. These Choices when made with a clear idea about Who One really Is and Who One wishes to Be, result in Conscious Creation which brings in future Fate, which brings in more opportunities to realize our idea about our Self, and to expand It.

Inherently, all beings know what is going to happen to them. The experience of any being in the Universe is exactly what they have called for. This is the function of God, to give one what one asks. The choice of what one wants, is made in different levels of Consciousness.If one is aware of the levels, then he/she perfectly accepts whatever happens to him/her, because one knows that he/she called it for himself/herself.

So in my view, one isn't bound by fate...it becomes a base for new vistas of the Self.

Love and Light.

Well....if a bomb balsts, people who are near it will die...this is cause and effect or vidhi...So when few pigrims died when there was a bomb blast in Varanasi, then is it their Fate becuz no on would like to be a near a bomb if they know...... so, that they died is thir Vishi, even if their supposed Karma was not for that..right? So which one preceeds the other?

[Big A]

[HedgeYourBets]

when your soul starts the journey, its karmic balance is '0', since vidhi is driven by karma, it is also '0'. Is this not a condition of ideal free will ?
Then karmic account is just a reflection of the balance of your actions based on your free will. By the same logic fate is just a lagging indicator of your freewill. It is clearly indicated in mythology that fate is not unescapable, negative karma could be compensated by positive karma and thus a bad fate could be negated in the long run. Positive karma is gain a fruit for your good action based on your freewill. Fate is something that is completly controlled by your freewill, why even call it fate ?

[radikal]

After those questions we can ask ourself if we really control our life..

Nobody never suggested that we are maybe robots.. We control robots how God control us...

[MannoFr]

After those questions we can ask ourself if we really control our life..

Nobody never suggested that we are maybe robots.. We control robots how God control us...

i believe that we dont control ur life.............it just follow the path led my God or vidhu or karma

[LottiFurmann]

Can anyone here explain how it fits in the realm of Intelligent Creation or Evolutionary theories ?

[softy54534]

Originally Posted by Eelavar After those questions we can ask ourself if we really control our life..

Nobody never suggested that we are maybe robots.. We control robots how God control us...

i believe that we dont control ur life.............it just follow the path led my God or vidhu or karma yeah..i also believe so...death, birth and everything are determined by god... and i see god is sometimes so cruel
sometimes people who do good things suffer than people who do bad things
nothing makes sense though

[brraverishhh]

rachel..............GOD is not cruel............we cant blame God........for what we doing or how we r living...........its all our karma

maybe the good ppl in this life might have been bad ppl in the previuos life and thats why they r suffering in this life, so its all in the game

[tgs]

rachel..............GOD is not cruel............we cant blame God........for what we doing or how we r living...........its all our karma

Dear crazy,
What you say is really well and good, but when and where did one's karma begin? If you really can understand this question and provide us a sensible answer, I will really be very grateful to you and will be very pleased. Please, enlighten us all with your Craziest knowledge. Thank you.