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Old 03-16-2006, 07:32 AM   #21
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indian..., let me clear a few things for you. According to Buddha, even if god existed, he is subject to the same changes are humans. Is this not against the stated hindu belief of the omnipotent god? He also said that it is therefore of no use to pray god. What you sow is what you reap. God doesn't enter the equation in this. The only way to break the cycle of life and death is through Nirvana and not through praise of god. Is this not against the hindu philosophy of 'sarvam krishnarpanam'? Then how come Buddha came into the list? I am waiting for your answer.
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Old 03-16-2006, 07:42 AM   #22
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indian..., let me clear a few things for you. According to Buddha, even if god existed, he is subject to the same changes are humans. Is this not against the stated hindu belief of the omnipotent god? He also said that it is therefore of no use to pray god. What you sow is what you reap. God doesn't enter the equation in this. The only way to break the cycle of life and death is through Nirvana and not through praise of god. Is this not against the hindu philosophy of 'sarvam krishnarpanam'? Then how come Buddha came into the list? I am waiting for your answer. Before questioning others, do learn by yourself some points atleast, atleast correct points.
The teachings of Buddha never denies gods existence, but it says once has to achieve salvation through rigourous punishments to the body. He also said that good karma leads you into the light of nirvana whereas bad karma shows you to the world of yama. And what did you say about Buddha telling no use in praying to god?
Then why does he sit in the holy lotus posture and meditate? Now you are hurting Buddhists by saying that they are praying to Buddha in their temples without any use, be careful. This is offensive.
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Old 03-16-2006, 07:44 AM   #23
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And I am not done. A similar campaign was started recently by the 'sangh parivar' to include sikhs into hinduism. After widespread condemnation and violence by sikhs in Punjab and other sikh majority areas, they had to relent and retreat.
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Old 03-16-2006, 07:48 AM   #24
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You can also search the net for Buddhism. Your challenge is to make a Buddhist accept that Buddha was an incarnation of Vishnu. What is the use if you can't convince Buddhists themselves. There is no need to convince anyone about it that Buddha is an avatar of Lord. And about SrimadBhagavatham well it was written by Sage Sri KrishnaDwaipayana or Badarayana or Veda Vyasa( all are the names of a single person) who had predicted all that is happning now beforehand itself. He said the Lord will appear as Buddha to cleanse the soul of men from impurities.
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Old 03-16-2006, 07:48 AM   #25
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The teachings of Buddha never denies gods existence, but it says once has to achieve salvation through rigourous punishments to the body. He also said that good karma leads you into the light of nirvana whereas bad karma shows you to the world of yama. And what did you say about Buddha telling no use in praying to god?
Then why does he sit in the holy lotus posture and meditate? Now you are hurting Buddhists by saying that they are praying to Buddha in their temples without any use, be careful. This is offensive.
There you go. Ignorant to the core. I already mentioned that Buddha did not deny the existence of god. Buddha initially thought that the route to salvation is by punishing the body. But he later realised that it not through punishment but through good karma that one attains nirvana. And FYI meditation does not only mean thinking about god and praying to him (that's why you need to come outside the sphere of god and see other things in life). If I meditate thinking about Buddha it doesn't mean that I am praying him. Write only if you are sure about something.
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Old 03-16-2006, 07:50 AM   #26
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And I am not done. A similar campaign was started recently by the 'sangh parivar' to include sikhs into hinduism. After widespread condemnation and violence by sikhs in Punjab and other sikh majority areas, they had to relent and retreat. whether anyone believes it or not, Buddhists too are Hindus as are Sikhs, and no need to prove what already is true.
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Old 03-16-2006, 07:52 AM   #27
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You can also search the net for Buddhism. Your challenge is to make a Buddhist accept that Buddha was an incarnation of Vishnu. What is the use if you can't convince Buddhists themselves.
There is no need to convince anyone about it that Buddha is an avatar of Lord. And about SrimadBhagavatham well it was written by Sage Sri KrishnaDwaipayana or Badarayana or Veda Vyasa( all are the names of a single person) who had predicted all that is happning now beforehand itself. He said the Lord will appear as Buddha to cleanse the soul of men from impurities. And Buddha means 'the enlightened'. Even accepting that the authors of Bhagaawtam foresaw the event, how do you know that they ment 'Gouthama Buddha'. It could have been any enlightened one. Even Mahaveer. And what is the use if Buddhists, who know more about their religion don't accept your points. Wait, there is a name for someone talking to themselves about something others don't believe.
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Old 03-16-2006, 07:55 AM   #28
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There you go. Ignorant to the core. I already mentioned that Buddha did not deny the existence of god. Buddha initially thought that the route to salvation is by punishing the body. But he later realised that it not through punishment but through good karma that one attains nirvana. And FYI meditation does not only mean thinking about god and praying to him (that's why you need to come outside the sphere of god and see other things in life). If I meditate thinking about Buddha it doesn't mean that I am praying him. Write only if you are sure about something. me and ignorant?
where did you come accross all this typo errors? do post them so that I can try correct atleast ones which are not beyond repairs. Meditation means what? fixing your mind in one particular direction, and meditating thinking of Buddha without praying him?
does this sentence make any sense?
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Old 03-16-2006, 08:00 AM   #29
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And Buddha means 'the enlightened'. Even accepting that the authors of Bhagaawtam foresaw the event, how do you know that they ment 'Gouthama Buddha'. It could have been any enlightened one. Even Mahaveer. And what is the use if Buddhists, who know more about their religion don't accept your points. Wait, there is a name for someone talking to themselves about something others don't believe. we know he was Gowthama Buddha because the SrimadBhagavatham directly mentions the lineage of Buddha as of Rishi Gowthama and has the same names that buddhists use today they are Gowthama, Siddhartha, Shuddhodani, and Shakyamuni to name a few.
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Old 03-16-2006, 08:06 AM   #30
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I think I am done with you. I have made my points and don't see sense in your further posts. Continue with your illogical posts. But my challenge to you remains: convince a buddhist or a sikh that they are hindus. I would especially like to see how you deal with the sikh without pushing him to take his 'talwar'. Also, try to reconcile to the fact that the teachings of Buddhism and Hinduism are contradictory to even mention them in the same sentence.
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Old 03-16-2006, 09:22 AM   #31
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Hi Kannan/Shoyonika
Buddha does not talk of a God like what hinduism or christianity or islam refers. He does talk of devas(who are just slightly different from humans) etc and accepts God to be one of them. Importantly he does not accept a GOD that is omnipotence, omniscience and benevolence towards humanity.

If you need any clarifications after reading this link http://www.buddhistinformation.com/b...ude_to_god.htm I more then welcome it.
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Old 03-16-2006, 09:41 AM   #32
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Mahadevan, that's exactly what I had mentioned earlier. Buddha doesn't deny the existence of god. He just says that if god exists, he is subject to the same changes or cycle of changes as any one else. That is entirely against what is claimed in hinduism. But it is futile to explain some people.
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Old 03-16-2006, 09:46 AM   #33
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Buddha is the ninth avatar of Lord, and balarama is the avatar of Adishesha.
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Old 03-17-2006, 04:20 AM   #34
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Buddha is and avatar of Lord Vishnu an none can deny that as it is the truth and for referencial sake, I have given the links of Moola Bhagavatham here and Dashavathara stuti and Dvadasha sthothra.
Fools can have good time laughing here.
http://sanskrit.gde.to/all_pdf/dashavatarastuti.pdf
http://sanskrit.gde.to/all_pdf/dvAdasha_stotra.pdf
http://sanskrit.gde.to/all_pdf/bhagpurNew.pdf
study these links and you wont deny Buddha as the ninth avatar of the Lord.
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Old 03-17-2006, 06:03 AM   #35
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Hi shoyonika
I can provide a million link like that to prove that christianity is the only sensible religion. If you look at the source of those links it would all be from the christian right wing. Similarly if you look only at the hindu right wing works, you would be in the same class as the christian right wing folks. Try to read buddisht perception of buddha, if they accept what you say than it may be acceptable. All the sanskirt lit that you provided were written centuries after buddha, Reverse engineering is the mark of these guys, unfortunately they did not know much about Jesus/Momamud, for if they have known that , jesus and Mohamud would have been the eleventh and twelth avatar of vishnu. And guess what, if you do some worthy things, few centuries from now the vedics may claim that shoyonika is the thirteenth avatar !
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Old 03-17-2006, 06:38 AM   #36
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Similarly if you look only at the hindu right wing works, you would be in the same class as the christian right wing folks. that is same in all cases, all cases include linguistics.
All the sanskirt lit that you provided were written centuries after buddha, correction: the bhagavatha was written more than 3000 years ago and the proof can be arranged for.
Reverse engineering is the mark of these guys, unfortunately they did not know much about Jesus/Momamud, for if they have known that , jesus and Mohamud would have been the eleventh and twelth avatar of vishnu. you yourself are inviting danger to yourself by adding names of mohammad and christ, be careful to do such mistakes in future. And for adding some info into your small brain, Dashavatara means ten avataras and even a child will laugh at your post mentioning eleventh and twelfth avataras so avoid silly mistakes(I know it is difficult for non samskrith people like you but atleast give it a try).
And guess what, if you do some worthy things, few centuries from now the vedics may claim that shoyonika is the thirteenth avatar ! lastly, I know what I am and need not be mentioned by you about my being an avatara or not. If you cant give explanation, stop posting such silly things.
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Old 03-17-2006, 06:54 AM   #37
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Buddha is and avatar of Lord Vishnu an none can deny that as it is the truth and for referencial sake, I have given the links of Moola Bhagavatham here and Dashavathara stuti and Dvadasha sthothra.
Fools can have good time laughing here.
http://sanskrit.gde.to/all_pdf/dashavatarastuti.pdf
http://sanskrit.gde.to/all_pdf/dvAdasha_stotra.pdf
http://sanskrit.gde.to/all_pdf/bhagpurNew.pdf
study these links and you wont deny Buddha as the ninth avatar of the Lord.
For what???

To become STUPID????
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Old 03-17-2006, 07:09 AM   #38
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stranger,
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Old 03-24-2006, 08:00 AM   #39
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I think I am done with you. I have made my points and don't see sense in your further posts. Continue with your illogical posts. But my challenge to you remains: convince a buddhist or a sikh that they are hindus. I would especially like to see how you deal with the sikh without pushing him to take his 'talwar'. Also, try to reconcile to the fact that the teachings of Buddhism and Hinduism are contradictory to even mention them in the same sentence. huh, Illogical posts and me? never even the same zip code. I had made it clear in the earliest posts that my intention is not to hurt anyone. But how can I expect you to understand it? now what was your challenge? do you think I am wasting my time for such useless topics? tough-luck!
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Old 05-14-2006, 08:00 AM   #40
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Starting with the Avatars as I know ... .

MATSYA - FISH
KOORMA - TORTOISE
VARAGHA - PIG
SIMHA - LION
VAMANA - DWARF
PARASURAM -
RAM-
BALARAM-
KRISHNA-
KALKI / BUDHA-

How does this relate with the evolution theory of Darwin ? I find the topic very interesting but hardly know much on this - would like to be enlightened on this and the avatars.
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