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**TorryJens** · 08-18-2006, 07:02 AM

Hi padmanabha! Really!! that sounds amazing. Do u have more details abt that or any pics/website???

**PhillipHer** · 08-18-2006, 07:33 AM

Yes Mr.Padhmanabha!!

Please give us more info!

Would love to know more about the wonders of our Temples!

**Slonopotam845** · 08-18-2006, 01:53 PM

have you ever heard of the ganesa of keralapuram. the color of the idol changes every six months from balck to white

**TorryJens** · 08-19-2006, 07:48 AM

Have you ever heard of the Ganesa of Keralapuram. Here the idol of Ganesa, would be black for six months and white for the rest of the year. It is located 50 kms south of Thiruvananthapuram

REALLY? That sounds AMAZING!!!!!!!!! Could you give in more details, Sir?

**tgs** · 08-21-2006, 12:22 PM

Yes sir.... i would also like to know abt it. Please give us more details...Thanx

**brraverishhh** · 08-23-2006, 12:23 AM

Surya Machi is right about the Origin of Karthikeya, which was shown beautifully in
RamAnand Saagar's tele Series 'Krishna'.

but what wonders me is the fact, Only Tamilians and some Sinhalease worship Lord Muruga, as far as I know , except Tamil Nadu, Lord Muruga is not known or worshiped any where else in India, is this true?

**Paul Bunyan** · 08-23-2006, 12:27 AM

i learnt it when i was small but i heard so many different stories that i'm totally confused!

This is what u call 'Maya'.

**Peptobismol** · 08-23-2006, 05:20 AM

Yes, in Tamilnadu lord muruga is well known. He has full importance and worshipped. Few kannadigas also worship him as he is the other form of snake, subramania. In andhra i dont think they pray to muruga. Iam Kannadiga, born and bought up in andhra but picked up tamil by watching tv

(have few relatives in chennai), Now living in USA.

**Beerinkol** · 08-23-2006, 10:24 PM

Yes, in Tamilnadu lord muruga is well known. He has full importance and worshipped. Few kannadigas also worship him as he is the other form of snake, subramania. In andhra i dont think they pray to muruga. Iam Kannadiga, born and bought up in andhra but picked up tamil by watching tv (have few relatives in chennai), Now living in USA.

Hi,

I did not know that, Shanmuga is worshipped in various forms in Kannada

any way, as far as I know, Lord Murugan is described as Dravidian GOD, esp tamil GOD, this could be the reason why he is not worshipped up north by Aryans, Lord Aiyappa is another example of this.

**MannoFr** · 08-24-2006, 12:16 AM

in north india muruga is worshipped and called as "subramanya"

he is a "TAMIZH KADAVUL" man

**Big A** · 08-24-2006, 01:06 PM

"Sangam Vaithu Tamiz Valartha Deivam."

Yeah, He is known, but wordhipped by very few in the North, or for that matter in any other state in the south.

**radikal** · 08-24-2006, 02:41 PM

Both in maharashtra and Bengal also Lord Muruga is worshipped as "Karthikeya".

In the temple at parvathi hills, pune... ladies are not allowed to worship Muruga.. as he is a chronic bachelor :P ( but Ganesha is with his two consort siddhi and riddhi.. )

**Lillie_Steins** · 08-26-2006, 02:38 AM

Skanda, a son of Shiva ,He was suckled by the six Krtikas (Pleiades) and developed six faces for this purpose, and has twelve arms. From this he derives his name Karttikeya by which he is commonly known and worshipped. He was made head of the army of gods, and, according to the Mahabharata, defeated Mahisa and Taraka who through the tapas were threatening the gods.

He is depicted as young and caste, in the personage of Kumara, clothed in red with a spear that always hits its target and returns to his hand. Also he is seen as "one who jumps" when fighting. His cult of antiquity once covered India, but now is solely in the south.

His consorts include Kaumari, (Devasena) and Valli, and his sons are Sakha, Visakha, and Naigameya. Seen as virile and youthful, to some, his name may signify the emission of seamen. The peacock and cockerel are among his sacred animals, the latter being both aggressive and a jumper. He may carry a wide assortment of objects and weapons. His attributes include a banner, cockerel, hatchet, peacock feather, and staff.

**softy54534** · 08-27-2006, 04:46 PM

Murugan is also worshipped to some extent in Kerala where he's known as Muruga / Velmuruga. Though Guruvaayurappan & Iyyappan are the most popular Hindu deities there.

**Raj_Copi_Jin** · 08-28-2006, 02:06 PM

Skanda, a son of Shiva ,He was suckled by the six Krtikas (Pleiades) and developed six faces for this purpose, and has twelve arms. From this he derives his name Karttikeya by which he is commonly known and worshipped. He was made head of the army of gods, and, according to the Mahabharata, defeated Mahisa and Taraka who through the tapas were threatening the gods.

He is depicted as young and caste, in the personage of Kumara, clothed in red with a spear that always hits its target and returns to his hand. Also he is seen as "one who jumps" when fighting. His cult of antiquity once covered India, but now is solely in the south.

His consorts include Kaumari, (Devasena) and Valli, and his sons are Sakha, Visakha, and Naigameya. Seen as virile and youthful, to some, his name may signify the emission of seamen. The peacock and cockerel are among his sacred animals, the latter being both aggressive and a jumper. He may carry a wide assortment of objects and weapons. His attributes include a banner, cockerel, hatchet, peacock feather, and staff.

Wow, thats whole lot of story abt subramanya. Thanx for the information raghu

**LottiFurmann** · 08-29-2006, 11:50 PM

Originally Posted by Raghu Skanda, a son of Shiva ,He was suckled by the six Krtikas (Pleiades) and developed six faces for this purpose, and has twelve arms. From this he derives his name Karttikeya by which he is commonly known and worshipped. He was made head of the army of gods, and, according to the Mahabharata, defeated Mahisa and Taraka who through the tapas were threatening the gods.

He is depicted as young and caste, in the personage of Kumara, clothed in red with a spear that always hits its target and returns to his hand. Also he is seen as "one who jumps" when fighting. His cult of antiquity once covered India, but now is solely in the south.

His consorts include Kaumari, (Devasena) and Valli, and his sons are Sakha, Visakha, and Naigameya. Seen as virile and youthful, to some, his name may signify the emission of seamen. The peacock and cockerel are among his sacred animals, the latter being both aggressive and a jumper. He may carry a wide assortment of objects and weapons. His attributes include a banner, cockerel, hatchet, peacock feather, and staff.

Wow, thats whole lot of story abt subramanya. Thanx for the information raghu

no worries

**9mm_fan** · 11-21-2006, 08:46 AM

Lord subramanyam is quiet popular in andhra..we find lot of people with name...subramanyam...subbarayadu, etc
i know few temples of subramanyam swamy which are famous in east godavari district.. for blessing devotees who are childless..but, tamilnadu has significant khestaras.

lord veerabhadra is famous.. in andhra esp in east and west godavari districts.i dont know if he is known in tamil nadu..

Daksharam is a famous lord siva temple. this is suposed to be the place of daksha yagana dvamsam..
on hearing the news of sati , siva in his parlaya thandava hits the floor with jatajotam( hair) veerabhadra is born from that fire, he demolishes the daksha yaganam on orders from siva..

patisam is famous veerabhadra temple, it is in middle of river godavari.

**Drugmachine** · 11-22-2006, 12:08 AM

can veerabadra and madurai veeran be the same deva ????? i have heard people say something to this effect and am not sure if what they are saying is true or not!!!!!!

**Big A** · 11-22-2006, 06:05 AM

Lord subramanyam is quiet popular in andhra..we find lot of people with name...subramanyam...subbarayadu, etc
i know few temples of subramanyam swamy which are famous in east godavari district.. for blessing devotees who are childless..but, tamilnadu has significant khestaras.

lord veerabhadra is famous.. in andhra esp in east and west godavari districts.i dont know if he is known in tamil nadu..

Daksharam is a famous lord siva temple. this is suposed to be the place of daksha yagana dvamsam..
on hearing the news of sati , siva in his parlaya thandava hits the floor with jatajotam( hair) veerabhadra is born from that fire, he demolishes the daksha yaganam on orders from siva..

patisam is famous veerabhadra temple, it is in middle of river godavari.

wow! lot of info from andhra. Hi gayathri! iam from andhra too. Actually native is karnataka, born and bought up in tirupathi. Have never visited much places in andhra though.... Keep in touch

**LottiFurmann** · 11-22-2006, 09:55 AM

hi mokshani, nice meeting you......good to hear that you were raised in tirupathi.. did you visit any places around tirupathi?can you understand telugu?

08-18-2006, 07:02 AM	#21
TorryJens Join Date Nov 2008 Posts 4,494 Senior Member	Hi padmanabha! Really!! that sounds amazing. Do u have more details abt that or any pics/website??? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-18-2006, 07:33 AM	#22
PhillipHer Join Date Jun 2008 Age 58 Posts 4,481 Senior Member	Yes Mr.Padhmanabha!! Please give us more info! Would love to know more about the wonders of our Temples! Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-18-2006, 01:53 PM	#23
Slonopotam845 Join Date Jan 2006 Posts 5,251 Senior Member	have you ever heard of the ganesa of keralapuram. the color of the idol changes every six months from balck to white Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-19-2006, 07:48 AM	#24
TorryJens Join Date Nov 2008 Posts 4,494 Senior Member	Have you ever heard of the Ganesa of Keralapuram. Here the idol of Ganesa, would be black for six months and white for the rest of the year. It is located 50 kms south of Thiruvananthapuram REALLY? That sounds AMAZING!!!!!!!!! Could you give in more details, Sir? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-21-2006, 12:22 PM	#25
tgs Join Date Mar 2007 Age 48 Posts 5,125 Senior Member	Yes sir.... i would also like to know abt it. Please give us more details...Thanx Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-23-2006, 12:23 AM	#26
brraverishhh Join Date Jan 2006 Posts 5,127 Senior Member	Surya Machi is right about the Origin of Karthikeya, which was shown beautifully in RamAnand Saagar's tele Series 'Krishna'. but what wonders me is the fact, Only Tamilians and some Sinhalease worship Lord Muruga, as far as I know , except Tamil Nadu, Lord Muruga is not known or worshiped any where else in India, is this true? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-23-2006, 12:27 AM	#27
Paul Bunyan Join Date Jul 2007 Age 58 Posts 4,495 Senior Member	i learnt it when i was small but i heard so many different stories that i'm totally confused! This is what u call 'Maya'. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-23-2006, 05:20 AM	#28
Peptobismol Join Date Oct 2005 Age 58 Posts 4,386 Senior Member	Yes, in Tamilnadu lord muruga is well known. He has full importance and worshipped. Few kannadigas also worship him as he is the other form of snake, subramania. In andhra i dont think they pray to muruga. Iam Kannadiga, born and bought up in andhra but picked up tamil by watching tv (have few relatives in chennai), Now living in USA. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-23-2006, 10:24 PM	#29
Beerinkol Join Date Dec 2006 Posts 5,268 Senior Member	Yes, in Tamilnadu lord muruga is well known. He has full importance and worshipped. Few kannadigas also worship him as he is the other form of snake, subramania. In andhra i dont think they pray to muruga. Iam Kannadiga, born and bought up in andhra but picked up tamil by watching tv (have few relatives in chennai), Now living in USA. Hi, I did not know that, Shanmuga is worshipped in various forms in Kannada any way, as far as I know, Lord Murugan is described as Dravidian GOD, esp tamil GOD, this could be the reason why he is not worshipped up north by Aryans, Lord Aiyappa is another example of this. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-24-2006, 12:16 AM	#30
MannoFr Join Date Mar 2007 Posts 4,451 Senior Member	in north india muruga is worshipped and called as "subramanya" he is a "TAMIZH KADAVUL" man Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-24-2006, 01:06 PM	#31
Big A Join Date Oct 2005 Age 50 Posts 4,148 Administrator	"Sangam Vaithu Tamiz Valartha Deivam." Yeah, He is known, but wordhipped by very few in the North, or for that matter in any other state in the south. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-24-2006, 02:41 PM	#32
radikal Join Date Oct 2005 Age 54 Posts 4,523 Senior Member	Both in maharashtra and Bengal also Lord Muruga is worshipped as "Karthikeya". In the temple at parvathi hills, pune... ladies are not allowed to worship Muruga.. as he is a chronic bachelor :P ( but Ganesha is with his two consort siddhi and riddhi.. ) Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-26-2006, 02:38 AM	#33
Lillie_Steins Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 4,508 Senior Member	Skanda, a son of Shiva ,He was suckled by the six Krtikas (Pleiades) and developed six faces for this purpose, and has twelve arms. From this he derives his name Karttikeya by which he is commonly known and worshipped. He was made head of the army of gods, and, according to the Mahabharata, defeated Mahisa and Taraka who through the tapas were threatening the gods. He is depicted as young and caste, in the personage of Kumara, clothed in red with a spear that always hits its target and returns to his hand. Also he is seen as "one who jumps" when fighting. His cult of antiquity once covered India, but now is solely in the south. His consorts include Kaumari, (Devasena) and Valli, and his sons are Sakha, Visakha, and Naigameya. Seen as virile and youthful, to some, his name may signify the emission of seamen. The peacock and cockerel are among his sacred animals, the latter being both aggressive and a jumper. He may carry a wide assortment of objects and weapons. His attributes include a banner, cockerel, hatchet, peacock feather, and staff. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-27-2006, 04:46 PM	#34
softy54534 Join Date Apr 2007 Posts 5,457 Senior Member	Murugan is also worshipped to some extent in Kerala where he's known as Muruga / Velmuruga. Though Guruvaayurappan & Iyyappan are the most popular Hindu deities there. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-28-2006, 02:06 PM	#35
Raj_Copi_Jin Join Date Oct 2005 Age 48 Posts 4,533 Senior Member	Skanda, a son of Shiva ,He was suckled by the six Krtikas (Pleiades) and developed six faces for this purpose, and has twelve arms. From this he derives his name Karttikeya by which he is commonly known and worshipped. He was made head of the army of gods, and, according to the Mahabharata, defeated Mahisa and Taraka who through the tapas were threatening the gods. He is depicted as young and caste, in the personage of Kumara, clothed in red with a spear that always hits its target and returns to his hand. Also he is seen as "one who jumps" when fighting. His cult of antiquity once covered India, but now is solely in the south. His consorts include Kaumari, (Devasena) and Valli, and his sons are Sakha, Visakha, and Naigameya. Seen as virile and youthful, to some, his name may signify the emission of seamen. The peacock and cockerel are among his sacred animals, the latter being both aggressive and a jumper. He may carry a wide assortment of objects and weapons. His attributes include a banner, cockerel, hatchet, peacock feather, and staff. Wow, thats whole lot of story abt subramanya. Thanx for the information raghu Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-29-2006, 11:50 PM	#36
LottiFurmann Join Date Jan 2008 Posts 4,494 Senior Member	Originally Posted by Raghu Skanda, a son of Shiva ,He was suckled by the six Krtikas (Pleiades) and developed six faces for this purpose, and has twelve arms. From this he derives his name Karttikeya by which he is commonly known and worshipped. He was made head of the army of gods, and, according to the Mahabharata, defeated Mahisa and Taraka who through the tapas were threatening the gods. He is depicted as young and caste, in the personage of Kumara, clothed in red with a spear that always hits its target and returns to his hand. Also he is seen as "one who jumps" when fighting. His cult of antiquity once covered India, but now is solely in the south. His consorts include Kaumari, (Devasena) and Valli, and his sons are Sakha, Visakha, and Naigameya. Seen as virile and youthful, to some, his name may signify the emission of seamen. The peacock and cockerel are among his sacred animals, the latter being both aggressive and a jumper. He may carry a wide assortment of objects and weapons. His attributes include a banner, cockerel, hatchet, peacock feather, and staff. Wow, thats whole lot of story abt subramanya. Thanx for the information raghu no worries Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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11-21-2006, 08:46 AM	#37
9mm_fan Join Date May 2007 Age 53 Posts 5,191 Senior Member	Lord subramanyam is quiet popular in andhra..we find lot of people with name...subramanyam...subbarayadu, etc i know few temples of subramanyam swamy which are famous in east godavari district.. for blessing devotees who are childless..but, tamilnadu has significant khestaras. lord veerabhadra is famous.. in andhra esp in east and west godavari districts.i dont know if he is known in tamil nadu.. Daksharam is a famous lord siva temple. this is suposed to be the place of daksha yagana dvamsam.. on hearing the news of sati , siva in his parlaya thandava hits the floor with jatajotam( hair) veerabhadra is born from that fire, he demolishes the daksha yaganam on orders from siva.. patisam is famous veerabhadra temple, it is in middle of river godavari. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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11-22-2006, 12:08 AM	#38
Drugmachine Join Date Apr 2006 Posts 4,490 Senior Member	can veerabadra and madurai veeran be the same deva ????? i have heard people say something to this effect and am not sure if what they are saying is true or not!!!!!! Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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11-22-2006, 06:05 AM	#39
Big A Join Date Oct 2005 Age 50 Posts 4,148 Administrator	Lord subramanyam is quiet popular in andhra..we find lot of people with name...subramanyam...subbarayadu, etc i know few temples of subramanyam swamy which are famous in east godavari district.. for blessing devotees who are childless..but, tamilnadu has significant khestaras. lord veerabhadra is famous.. in andhra esp in east and west godavari districts.i dont know if he is known in tamil nadu.. Daksharam is a famous lord siva temple. this is suposed to be the place of daksha yagana dvamsam.. on hearing the news of sati , siva in his parlaya thandava hits the floor with jatajotam( hair) veerabhadra is born from that fire, he demolishes the daksha yaganam on orders from siva.. patisam is famous veerabhadra temple, it is in middle of river godavari. wow! lot of info from andhra. Hi gayathri! iam from andhra too. Actually native is karnataka, born and bought up in tirupathi. Have never visited much places in andhra though.... Keep in touch Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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11-22-2006, 09:55 AM	#40
LottiFurmann Join Date Jan 2008 Posts 4,494 Senior Member	hi mokshani, nice meeting you......good to hear that you were raised in tirupathi.. did you visit any places around tirupathi?can you understand telugu? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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