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10-12-2005, 08:00 AM
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10-24-2005, 08:00 AM
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11-08-2005, 08:00 AM
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//I do not find
reality in that meaning since thisaichchol has already been taken to mean words of twelve different regions if Tolkaappiyar wanted to indicate directions he would a placed a suitable word.Vada hence should be construed as vadaintha(Flexed)Indicating the vowel- consonants orders available in sanskrit and other such languages. "Flexed words are those with higher order Vowel-consonants and the same when taken to Tamil have to be adapted to the tamil phonetic orders or retrieved" // Very good analysis!! |
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11-16-2005, 08:00 AM
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Wow, Sanskirit gain equal status like Thamizh. It is amazing how politics work. Power to the hindis.
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01-10-2006, 08:00 AM
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This is in reply to Ashok.
Aryans are the most advanced people of all times and are spread out in every part of the world and are represented by people from the most advanced nations. [Offesive text deleted] Bottomline: It's better to be born an Aryan than a Dravidian. |
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01-22-2006, 08:00 AM
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06-04-2006, 08:00 AM
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I would like to Start this series befitting to this group with my
own interpretation of this Classic. I would like to directly dwelve into the book instead of wasting time on describing such a great work which already has a place of eminance in Tamil. 1.The letters A« to Naý form the scheme of alphabet design in Tamil. 2.There are total 30 independent sounds and three dependant sounds. 3.A measure of sound length is equivalent to the wink time of the eyes. 4.All sounds of a vowel have one measure except long vowels Which has two measure. Aw,EE,Oo,AeAe,Aai,Oo,Oou.¬,®,µ,°,¶,³,². 5.No sound produce three measure if necessary the same can be done (This is the Flexibility visualised by Tolkaapiyar which should be read in relation with the higher orders of consonants derived from primary orders). 6.There are twelve Vowels. 7.Eighteen consonantswith ýNa at the end. 8.A consonant has 1 and 1/2 measure. 9.Three dependant sounds have 1/2 measureþ,´,·.1/2 E,1/2 O,1/2 Ha. ---«,¬,þ,®,¯,°,±,²,³,´,µ,¶,·. Dependant sounds are þ,¯,·. ¸,¹,º,»,¼,½,¾,¿,À,Á,Â,Ã,Ä,Å,Æ,Ç,ÈÉ. akshara / > ezuttu) Since you had raked up this issue let me explain: ±Ø+òÐ=the meaning of ezhu is arise see ezhuchchi ezhu also means a state of defining an art of explaining thing,See ezhudhu means to write to express.Compare this with akshara=A+(k)shara=shara can be a series ,a row, it is defined as representing Alphabets or syllable. Aksharawnawm Akawrosmi.Whereas the same when converted into a verb or an act of expression looses its importance and Likhita/Lekhi comes to rescue. Akshara can be retrieved to Tamil as A+chawrndha(Belonging to A (metaphysical))=or adhanai chawrntha=belonging to that. While the verb representation is retained in Ezhuththu as ezhududhal (Kriya). I hope this would suffice to clarify your doubt. I would request you to use Murasu Anjal and bear with me. Yawdhum oorae yawvarum kaelir. A vowel is always combined after the consonant(1/2measure) to release it full shape. ik,iC,it,ith,ip,ir, ì,î,ð,ò,ô,÷are consonant of strong expression. A vowel is always combined after the consonant(1/2measure) to > release it full shape. > ik,iC,it,ith,ip,ir, ì,î,ð,ò,ô,üare consonant of strong expression. > > ¹,»,½,¿,Á,É.-sounds of mild nature. Â,Ã,Ä,Å,Æ,Ç,-sounds of intermediate nature.Mellinam,vallinam,idaiyinam as they are called. The evaluation of Vowel-consonant relation in Tolkappiyam is par excellance which could not be located by me while reading Sanskrit or Aphabhramsha Grammer. The categorisation of Vowel-consonant in relation with sound produce into strong/mild/intermediate orders of sounds shows the depth of grammar roots in Tamil prior to Tolkappiyam. Tolkappiyar do not claim himself as originator of grammar in Tamil in the very early part of the work he states ÜðÊ ±Øоø ±ýÁÉ¡÷ ÒÄÅ÷(thus states the "Bard/poets/learned"[No sound produce three measure if necessary the same can be done]This could be the primary discovery towards agglutination in the later stage.The reference to Bards points to such similar works preexisting. ¯½÷󧾡÷ ¸ñ¼Å¡§È(as visualised by the enlightened in the very next sentence when he talks of measure of a sound in a syllable. ¦Áö¢ý ÅÆ¢§Â ¯Â¢÷ §¾¡ýÚ ¿¢¨Ä§Â=Beutifully classifying Vowels as soul and consonant as body and stating that through the body the soul enlivened which resulted in vowel consonant. He classifies vowels again as : «,þ,¯ as pointer. ¬,²,µ as questioner. «Ç À¢ÈóÐ ¯Â÷¾Öõ ´üÚ þ¨º ¿£¼Öõ ¯Ç ±É ¦Á¡Æ¢À þ¨º§Â¡Î º¢Å½¢Â ¿ÃõÀ¢ý Á¨È ±ýÁÉ¡÷ ÒÄÅ÷. This is a authoritative text on how Vowels and consonants beyond this existed in Tamil.Which only means iyar thamizh has the set framed by Tolkappiyam with isai thamizh having additive sounds of vowels and consonants. This should be read in conjunction with No sound produce three measure if necessary the same can be done. The flexibility of Tamizh grammar in recognition of sounds and combination thereof cannot be more precisely expressed than this. «õ ãÅ¡Úõ(the categorisation of consonants into strong mild and intermediate) ÅÆí¸¢-þÂø ÁÕí¸¢ý ¦Áö ÁÂíÌ ¯¼ý ¿¢¨Ä ¦¾Ã¢Ôí¸¡¨Ä. In that categorisation . ÅÆí¸¢Â þÂø ÁÕí¸¢ý if the original nature of "vowel-consonants" so changes(I propose marungin as change maru+ngin is other side maruppu ,mawtru.). Consonant fades(mey mayangu). udan nilai theriyun kawlai(¯¼ý ¿¢¨Ä should be pointing to the vowel adjuncting the consonant forming the new vowel consonant.¦¾Ã¢Ôý¸¡¨Ä thus exposites.)For the consonant fades in sound vowel explicits with force to form higher orders.The higher orders can thus be formed according to Tolkappiyan. I would like to have Dr.Logas view on this discovery i hope the conventional meaning assigned to this verse is thrashed. I thus conclude the first chapter on tolkappiyam with ny own discovery of how the thirteenth vowel or (ha) increases the order of consonants to be precise vowel-consonants. The formation of Ha itself may be a vowel-consonant though i feel it has neutar quality. the expression could be reduction in the measure of consonant Ikì in conjunction with a«.It could be quarter measure of Ik +one measure A like it occurs for m in (om). Having laid the sound structure Tolkappiyar went on to discuss some combinatory method of consonants.Like: ð,ø,ü,û are followed by ¸,º,À(Vowel consonant). Of these ø,û can be followed by Â,Å. Mild consonants are followed by hard consonants. Of these ý,ñ are also followed by ¸,º,À,Á,Â,Å,». Â,Ã,Æ are followed by hard consonants and ¹. Á is followed by Å. excepting Ã,Æ other consonants can have immediate double occurances. Lesson definitely refers to a structure framed by Tolkappiyar when he started with expression of syllable and sound system. Second he talks about some usages of syllables and occurances. Third with how sounds emanate.etc and so forth. ¦Áö ÁÂí̾ø is a state of trance where ¦Áö ±ØòÐ fades are gets so embedded that vowel becomes more explicit and emanates higher orders. A pertinent question that you have raised that it occurs only in strong consonants¸,º,¼,¾,À,yes true since this is how sanskrit might have generated higher orders.In case of mild and intermediate consonants they are independent sound systems devoid of known orders but as tolkappiyar states þ¨º ¾Á¢ú may have orders in them too. Let us now see what Tol has to say about this Letter which i had been stating as source of higher order consonants. ÌȢ¾ý ÓýÉ÷ ¬Ô¾ô ÒûÇ¢ ¯Â¢§Ã¡Î Ò½÷ó¾ ÅøÄ¡Èý Á¢¨ºò§¾ ®È¢Âø ÁÕí¸¢Ûõ þ¨º¨Áò §¾¡ýÚõ ¯ÕÅ¢Ûõ þ¨ºÂ¢Ûõ «Õ¸¢ò §¾¡ýÕõ ¦Á¡Æ¢ ÌÈ¢ôÒ ±øÄ¡õ ±Øò¾¢ý þÂÄ ¬Â¢¾õ «·¸¡ì ¸¡¨Ä¡É. After the short vowels occurs the Ayutha . Incombination with such vowels preceding the ayutha the strong "vowel-consonants"follows.«·Ð. ®È¢Âø(here should be construed as the fusion between vowel that precedes the ayutham and the "strong vowel-consonant"that follows,This fusion results in culmination of musical notes.I would like to say that higher orders are representative of musik and may be that is the reason Lord Krishna said that he represents Sawman among vedas) ÁÕí¸¢Ûõ þ¨º¨Áò §¾¡ýÚõ. ¯ÕÅ¢Ûõ þ¨ºÂ¢Ûõ(in structure and musical notes) «Õ¸¢ò §¾¡ýÕõ(it looks alike) ¦Á¡Æ¢ ÌÈ¢ôÒ ±øÄ¡õ ±Øò¾¢ý þÂÄ¡(Sound which cannot be expressed in writing) ¬Â¢¾õ(ayutham) «·¸¡ì(represented by this sound akhkawk) ¸¡¨ÄÂ¡É (exposited) On Vadachchol: þ*Âü¦º¡ø ¾¢Ã¢¦º¡ø ¾¢¨ºî¦º¡ø ż¦º¡ø ±ýÚ «¨Éò§¾ ¦ºöÔû ®ð¼î ¦º¡ø§Ä. 1 «ÅüÚû,þ*Âü¦º¡ø¾¡§Á ¦ºó¾Á¢ú ¿¢ÄòÐ ÅÆ즸¡Î º¢Å½¢ ¾õ ¦À¡Õû ÅÆ¡¨Á *¨ºìÌõ ¦º¡ø§Ä. 2 ´Õ ¦À¡Õû ÌÈ¢ò¾ §ÅÚ ¦º¡ø ¬¸¢Ôõ §ÅÚ ¦À¡Õû ÌÈ¢ò¾ ´Õ ¦º¡ø ¬¸¢Ôõ *þÕ À¡üÚ ±ýÀ ¾¢Ã¢¦º¡ø ¸¢ÇÅ¢. 3 ¦ºó¾Á¢ú §º÷ó¾ ÀýÉ¢Õ ¿¢ÄòÐõ ¾õ ÌÈ¢ôÀ¢É§Å ¾¢¨ºî¦º¡ø ¸¢ÇÅ¢. 4 ***************************************** "ż¦º¡ø ¸¢ÇÅ¢ ż ±ØòÐ ´Ã£* ±Øò¦¾¡Î Ò½÷ó¾ ¦º¡ø ¬Ìõ§Á. 5" "Flexed words are those with higher order Vowel-consonants and the same when taken to Tamil have to be adapted to the tamil phonetic orders or retrieved" ********************************************** º¢¨¾ó¾É ÅâÛõ þ*¨Âó¾É Ũá÷. 6 Here one should see in aphorism no.6. above were a words structural deformity is addressed due to borrowings and adaptations. On vadachol which i had told that it should be construed as vadaintha chol a word that is flexed with phonetic orders. While Tol classifies words asþ*Âü¦º¡ø, ¾¢Ã¢¦º¡ø, ¾¢¨ºî¦º¡ø, ż¦º¡ø.iyarchol,thirichchol,thisaichchol,vadachcho l,The interpretation for the word vada has yet remained Northern which indicates primarily Sanskrit while it may be so I do not find reality in that meaning since thisaichchol has already been taken to mean words of twelve different regions if Tolkaappiyar wanted to indicate directions he would a placed a suitable word.Vada hence should be construed as vadaintha(Flexed)Indicating the vowel- consonants orders available in sanskrit and other such languages. "Flexed words are those with higher order Vowel-consonants and the same when taken to Tamil have to be adapted to the tamil phonetic orders or retrieved" ¯Ã¢î¦º¡ø ¸¢ÇÅ¢ ŢâìÌõ ¸¡¨Ä þ*¨ºÂ¢Ûõ ÌÈ¢ôÀ¢Ûõ ÀñÀ¢Ûõ §¾¡ýÈ¢ ¦ÀÂâÛõ Å¢¨É¢Ûõ ¦Áö ¾ÎÁ¡È¢ ´Õ ¦º¡ø ÀÄ ¦À¡ÕðÌ ¯Ã¢¨Á §¾¡ýÈ¢Ûõ ÀÄ ¦º¡ø ´Õ ¦À¡ÕðÌ ¯Ã¢¨Á §¾¡ýÈ¢Ûõ À¢ġ¾Åü¨Èô À¢ýȨŠº¡÷ò¾¢ ¾õ¾õ ÁÃÀ¢ý ¦ºýÚ ¿¢¨Ä ÁÕí¸¢ý ±î ¦º¡ø ¬Â¢Ûõ ¦À¡Õû §ÅÚ ¸¢Çò¾ø. Again urichchol are those words which when exposites itself by placement its orgin has to be traced WRT Sound,attributes and marks.These are those words that can also stand alone and display meanings.These words have to be clearly studied independantly and WRT context it is in.These can be foriegn words adaptations as well. ¯Ã¢î¦º¡ø: Rig Veda May be subtle tamil word þ¨ÃìÌ(iraiku) §ÅûÅ¢(veelvi). it means whole lot of changes in meaning of the word rg veda Rig/iraigu/iraikku -veda has been connected to the meaning a body ofknowledge Now i feel ve+da=veelvi (This is the Tamil word sacrificial fire).There are consonent transformation in this form that is noticed in Sanskrit when it became a separate stream .(sacred oblation to god. This is substantiated by the first verse of rg veda . «ìÉ¢õ ®¦Ç Ҧᆢ¾õ i conclude by giving the correct retrieval for rg veda=þ¨ÃÌ iraiku §ÅûÅ¢ veelvi. Ru+cha identified as mantra of rg veda is ru=irai/rai/ri/ru. cha=chol iraichol=chol is word= irai refers to god. The first verse in rgkrit tamil retrieved: «ì¿¢õ ®§¼ ҧḢ¾õ.I glorify Agni, the high priest of the sacrifice, the divine ¿¢õ(nim)retained still in kannada(¿¢ý) «¸õ(¯ûÇõ(ullam)-internal fire) > > ®§¼ ilae(idae) > > > > > (equivelance)þðÎ(ittu)like(idli-idduli)(ignite) purohit=À¡÷¸¼õ(pawrkadam)/purohitam(vast expanse) > > > > > lexicallypawrkadam/parkadam/porkadam/porkitham/porhitham/purhitham/pu rohitam |
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07-23-2006, 08:00 AM
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09-21-2006, 08:00 AM
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Break through In Indian civilization studies.
Topic started by V (@ 202.159.225.118) on Tue Oct 19 12:35:25 EDT 2004.
Breakthrough into the Mysteries of Indian Civilization The ancient civilization of this country has a record of 5000-7000 years of archeology in the form of epigraphs, artifacts, and monuments Etc. It also has tradition and belief running to timeless past. Literature Record dating to 3000 years at least in Two languages that is Sanskrit and Tamil. Myths of time immemorial and Oral tradition apart. This country has been the land of confluence of various forces the Gods, Demons etc. This country has also been the pioneer of civilization, of knowledge, of Gurus, of Incarnations, a way of life on earth, a path finder. Such a country has also been banned by influence of feudalism and its values and isolation of common man and oppression against him. Seeds of such a dichotomy were sowed in early Sanskrit writings which language had been appropriated by the elite the ruling class who were grouped as Arya (Nobles) Though they do not form a race during the initial stages they consolidated slowly during the medieval period. The distortion created by the varna- ashrama dharma with varied interpretation had been the root cause hate in the current day society. This apart the story of Indian civilization takes us to the Indus valley which is the first known settlement thus far though more explorations are revealing settlements across the subcontinent during a period earlier to this. A complete biography of this civilization could be written but for the mystery of the script that reveals it.Early attempts to reveal it pointed to Dravidian settlements though this had been contested right through by Aryan lobby. The missing link continues to be an area of distortion and exploitation by various interested group who would like to appropriate the civilization. While the entire Sanskrit literature is abound by Dichotomy of Indian culture reflecting dominance of one over the other efforts are on in pioneering works of Dr.Loganathan to set things right. The discovery of Sumerian as Archaic Tamil is a breakthrough in this direction Efforts are also on to unravel the Indus script as Proto- Tamil. A new ground has been laid in retrieving Sanskrit into its base Tamil. It is being concluded that it is only a stream of Tamil. Let us now begin with realising Sumerian as Archaic Tamil: Quote [The more he knows about either, the better. But even after lesson five of "Teach yourself Sumerian", an experienced linguist will already be able to discern the type of language, whether it has an ergative sentence structure (Sumerian yes, Tamil no), whether it is flexive or agglutinative or isolative, etc. etc. So when the professor of Sumerian at my Alma Mater dismissed the Dravidian connection, I know his knowledge of Dravidian doesn't match his knowledge of Sumerian, yet I wouldn't dismiss his opinion as entirely uninformed.-By Dr.Loganathan.] Here we have tried to retrive …¤§ÁâÂý(Sumerian)suruppak neri(code) into Tamil: 1. [u] ri-a u sud-ra ri-a ( In those distant days, in those far remote days) 2. gi ri-a gi bad-du ri-a ( In those nights, in those far-away nights) 3. mu ri-a mu sud-ra ri-a ( In those years, in those far remote years) 4. u-ba gestu.tuku inim.galam inim.zu-a kalam-ma ti-la-am ( In those days, the intelligent one, who made the elaborate words, who knew the (proper) words, and was living in Sumer . 5.Suruppak gestu.tuku inim.galam inim.zu-a kalam-ma ti-la-am ( Suruppak - the inelligent one, who made the elaborate words , who knew the (proper) words, and was living in Sumer "cuudu"chudar=the primordial ray. 2.þâ¨Á ÀñΨÁ þâ =irul soozhndha ap pandaiya kawlam. 1. °÷ ±Ã¢Â °÷ ͼ÷ ±Ã¢Â=oor vilangiya ath thol kawlaththil. 3.㧾¡÷ «Ã¢Â ãРͼ÷ «Ã¢Â =moothor arindha am mudhal kawlam. 4.ÝÕÀ¡ìÌ §¸¡û¦¾¡ÌòÐ ±É ÁɸÄõ ±É ÝÅ ¸Çõ Á¾¢ þø ¬õ =ÍÕÀ¡ìÌ þð¼ §¸¡û «Åý ÁÉì ¸Äõ ±Ûõ ÍÅ ¸Çõ ¯û þøÄõ.§¸¡û=code laid down by suruppak with extraordinary brillianceÁÉì ¸Äõ ±Ûõ ÍÅ ¸Çõ ¯û þøÄõ lived in sumeria 5.°÷ §¸¡û ¦¾¡ÌòÐ ±É ÁɸÄõ ±É ÝÅ ¸Çõ Á¾¢ þø ¬õ =the intelligent one who divised the code lived in sumer. Gestu can be §¸¡û=«¸Šò=«¸ì§¸¡û ÅÌòÐ nig.nam kal-kal-en nig-e me-kal-kal ( You appreciate something, it appreciates you).¿¡õ ¿¢¸ú׸¨Ä ¸üÈ¡ø.«ý ¿¢¸ú§Å ¦Áö ¸¡ðÎõ Ta.¿¡õ ¿ø ¿¢¸ú׸¨Ä ¸üÈ¡ø.«ý ¿¢¸ú§Å ¦Áö ¸¡ðÎõ repetition of words like kal-kal,nil-nil as reverberating sounds either to stress a point or to strech a meaning is even today found in pinglish(nigerian english)down-down means far down.go-go means go fast right now. One must keep in mind that @ the time sumerian tablet were written there must not have been grammar limitation or that the tablets followed colloquial slangs.here kal should be interpreted as kalvi ,gnyan,kal -kal is to stress a point that we should be abreast with information on our surrounding to know the truth. i think this interpretation could be accomodated linguistically. This duplication of words occurs in sanskrit sloka which says rogawn mochaya mochaya awyur vardhaya vardhaya Ta/ͦÁâ«ý:. nikaznam naa-kal jii kukuuyidu. ¿¡õ ¿¢¸ú¨Å ¸ü¸¡Å¢Êý ¯ûÇõ ÌÕ¸¢Îõ jii might have existed earlier in tamil now avilable in sanskrit. tamu.moo kan.Gim iGi. Kan.kan ( My son, your eyes should be brilliant like the sun). ¾õ ãì¸ñ þ¨Á ¸½ø̸=let thy vision throw radiance of the sun he-su-he-za-a nanna li-bi-in-du-ga za-a-akam bi-in-du-ga That one has not recited as "Known! Be it Known!" of Nanna , that one has recited as a "Tis Thine!" ²Í ²ÍÅ ¿ýÉ¡ þÄ¢ À£Â¢ý àì¸, ƒ¡«¸õ À£Â¢ý àì¸ (this could be-§¸Ù (ûÅ¢)- §¸Ç¡ ¿ý(ÉÄ¡)È¡ö þÕôÀ¢ýê¸ ¯û «¸õ (þÕ)À¢ýê¸. By questioning to the deeper consciousness and acting acccordingly one purifies ones soul. 124 ki-gim dagal-la-za he-zu-am That you are broad as the earth -- be it known! ¸£ú¹¢õ ¾¸øÄ ƒ¡« ® Ý ¬õ! þì(¸¢)(refer to earth)(kig)þõ¾(imdu- nimdu=refer to you)«¸ÄÆ §¸é(Ø)¬õ an-gim mah-a-za he-zu-am That you are lofty as Heaven-- be it known! Å¡ý ¹¢õ Á¡‹« ƒ¡ ® Ý ¬õ!(«íÌ þõ Á¸ ¬Æ §¸é(Ø)¬õ!)that this vast expanse queried be it known 135. nin-ki-aga-an-na-me-en mir-mir-zu ga-am-du Oh my lady veloved of An, I have verily recited your fury! ¿¢ý ¸¡í¸ ¬ñ½ Áý Á£÷ Á£÷ƒ¤ ¹¡«õ àì¯=¿¢ý¸¢ «¸ «ýɧÁ ±ýÁ¢÷ Á¢ ÷Ù¸ «õÎ (ê).±ý «ýÉõ §À¡¿Å§Ç ±ý Á¢à Á¢÷é¸(fury) ¬õ ±ýÕ. 123. an-gim mah-a-za he-zu-am That you are lofty as Heaven-- be it known! Å¡ý ¹¢õ Á¡‹« ƒ¡ ® Ý ¬õ!(«íÌ þõ Á¸ ¬Æ §¸é(Ø)¬õ!)that this vast expanse queried be it known 124 ki-gim dagal-la-za he-zu-am That you are broad as the earth -- be it known! ¸£ú¹¢õ ¾¸øÄ ƒ¡« ® Ý ¬õ! þì(¸¢)(refer to earth)(kig)þõ¾(imdu- nimdu=refer to you)«¸ÄÆ §¸é(Ø)¬õ 125. ki-bala-gul-gul-lu-za he-zu-am That you devastate the rebellious land- be it know ! ¸£úÅÄ ¦¸¡ø¦¸¡øÖ ƒ¡« ® Ý ¬õ! (þì(your/its) ÀÄÌ-{ÅøÄÌ} (strength) ¯ûÌ ¯û(from the innermost) ¯Æ(plough) Derive your strength from the innermost. 125a kur-ra gu-de-za he-zu-am That you roar at the land - be it known! ÌýÈ Ü¢§¼ ƒ¡« ® Ý ¬õ! =ÌüÈ ÜÊÆ(Üʼ)you will bounce back. 135. nin-ki-aga-an-na-me-en mir-mir-zu ga-am-du Oh my lady veloved of An, I have verily recited your fury! ¿¢ý ¸¡í¸ ¬ñ½ Áý Á£÷ Á£÷ƒ¤ ¹¡«õ àì¯=¿¢ý¸¢ «¸ «ýɧÁ ±ýÁ¢÷ Á¢ ÷Ù¸(Á¢ Ãé¸) «õÎ(ê).±ý «ýÉõ §À¡¿Å§Ç ±ý Á¢à Á¢÷é¸(fury) ¬õ ±ýÕ. 24. uLukaL eenliillee aal siiyimma ¯Ù¸û ²ñÄ£ø§Ä(±ýÉ¢ø þ¨Ä) ¬ø º£õÁ («Æ¢¨Á) 25. iin-anna saaGki paartta utu-eekaL ®ÉýÉ¡(«ý¨É¢ý) º¡í¸¢(¦ºö¨¸ À¡÷ò¾ )¯Ð²¸û ¯Ð(¯Â÷ó¾-ãÐÅ÷) §†¸ø(§¸Ùí¸û) 26. niitaah kaaLka uunuta munsiiyee ¿£¾  ¿¢ò¾õ) ¸¡û¸(¸¡ø¸û) °Ûò¾(°ÛÕ¸-þÃò¾õ ¯Õ¸-¦Åö¢ø¸¡Â) Óýº£§Â 27. il iisakkunRa kiishnee edu þø ®ŠÌýÈ(®Æ-ÌüÈõ)þøÄÃ(house) ÌüÈõ ¸£Š§É ±Î (¸£§Æ ¿£Îõ)¦ÅÇ¢§Â (society) ¦¾¡¼Õõ. 28. tamu uurunakiinee kuuv mun.iduvee ¾Ó °ÕÉ츢§É(°÷ þÉì(¾¢÷)¦¸É) Ü Óý¢§¼ (ÜÅ¢ Өâ¼) 29. Kootiyum eeNliille emmana sii §¸¡¾¢Ôõ(ÌÊÔõ) ²ñÄ£ø§Ä(±ýÉ¢ø þ¨Ä) ±õÁÉ º£ {ÁÉ ¬Æ(ò¾¢Öõ)}- ÌÊ «¨ÁôÀÐ ±ý ÁÉ ¬Æò¾¢Öõ þø¨Ä. 30. Ninmoo iin-anna aataavumun. tamuzi ¿¢ý§Á¡(¿¢ý Óý) ®ÉýÉ¡(«ý¨É¢ý) ¬¾¡×Óý(¬¾(†)Ã(Ó)×õ ¾Óƒ¢ (¯ñÎõ °Æ¢) Now it is getting proved that that the base of sanskrit is Tamil: Let us see this by my retrivals: The word sanskrit should be splitted as sa-krit and read as ha- thirutha.For all the manipulation of the consonants and creation of four order including for sa-sa,sha,shah,ha are with the help of ha and it may be the corruption of "ha-thiruththam " that it became to be called as sanskrit.Sanskrit is Tamizhin Ha-thiruththam etymologically it could be hathiruth-hathrith-sathrith-sanskrith.ºÁ÷ôÀ¡Á¢,¬Å¡†Â¡Á¢=þ¨¾ ¾Á¢Æ¢ø Á£ðÌõ ¦À¡-ØÐ=¡§Á §º÷§Àý=ºÁ÷ôÀ+¡Á¢, ¡§ÁÅ¡¸(¬Ì¸)¡Á¢+¬Å¡†,±ýÈ¡¸¢ÃÐ. The first verse in rgkrit tamil retrieved: «ì¿¢õ ®§¼ ҧḢ¾õ. ¿¢õretained still in kannada(¿¢ý) «¸õ(¯ûÇõ-internal fire) ®§¼ (equivelance)þðÎ(ignite)purohit=À¡÷¸¼õ(vast expanse) lexically pawrkadam/parkadam/porkadam/porkitham/porhitham/purhitham/purohitam. ˆýŠ §¾Åõ ÕòÅ¢ƒõ §†¡¾¡Ãõ ÃòÉ ¾¡¾Áõ ±ýÛ¨¼Â §¾¨Å ¯Â÷Å¢¼õ ,§¸¡÷¾¡Õõ(§¸¡Ã¢ÂÅÕõ)þÃò¾¢É ¾¡ø-¾Á÷. «ìÉ¢(¿¢ý «¸õ)â÷†¢(¦À¡í¸¢) {â÷}-ÅåÀ¢÷(ÅÕÁ¢ý) Õ„¢À¢÷(¯Õ¸¢-À¢ý) ®¼§Â¡(®Î¨¼Â) ᾨÉ÷ ¯¾(¯ó¾¨É) …§¾(º¡÷óÐ/§º÷òÐ) Å¡õÉ(Å¡Éõ) ²†Åì(±ØÅ/²üÈ¢Â)-„¾¢(¸¾¢). ---«ìɢɡ(¿¢ý «¸õ) âÁ(þ¨È¨Á)‰ÛÅò(¸ÛÅò/«ÏÌÅÐ), §À¡„õ (§À¡¸õ/¦ÀÕÌõ)( ²Å(²Å¢) ¾¢§Å¾¢§Å(¾¢¨¸ ¾¢¨¸)(astonishment)(unlimited) „…õ(¡¸Çõ/¡í¸Ùõ)Å£ÃÅò¾Áõ(¾£Å£÷ÅÇ÷¾õ ¬õ)/(¾£Â¢÷ ÅÇ÷¾¨Á ¬õ). «ì§É(¿¢ý «¸õ) Âõ(±õ) ˆýÂõ(²üÈõ/±Ã¢+«Ãõ) «òÅÃõ(«òÐÅÃõ-¬üÚ ÅÃõÒ) Å¢‰Å¾†(Å¢¨ÇŨ¾) ÀââÃ(«)…¢(À¡÷ §À¡üÈ¢) … þ¾(±ö¾/¯Â÷ó¾) §¾§Å„¤(§¾¨ÅìÌ) ¸îº¾¢(¸üȾ¢/¸üÈÐ). ¿¢ý «¸õ ±õ ²üÈõ(±Ã¢+«Ãõ) «òÐÅÃõ(-¬üÚ ÅÃõÒ) («¾É¡ø)Å¢¨ÇŨ¾ À¡÷ §À¡üÈ¢ ±ö¾/¯Â÷ó¾ §¾¨ÅìÌ ¸üȾ¢/¸üÈÐ(¯¸ó¾Ð). ---«ìÉ¢÷(¿¢¨Ã «ìÉ¢) §†¡¾¡(§¸¡÷¾) ¸Å¢ìì(kalvi/¸ü¸)-ÃІ¤(†¥ÐÃ- Ü÷óÐ/ÜâòÐ/¯îºÃ¢òÐ) …ò‰(ÂòÂì-²üȢ¸) º¢òÃ(º£÷¾/º£Õ¨¼¨Á) ‰ÃÅŠ (¸ÃÅø) ¾Á†§¾§Å¡(¾õ «¸ò §¾¨Å§Â¡) §¾§ÅÀ¢÷(À¢(È)÷(here it refers to God) §¾¨Å¡¸ðÎõ). ¿¢¨Ã «ìÉ¢ §¸¡÷¾ kalvi/¸ü¸ †¥ÐÃ-Ü÷óÐ/ÜâòÐ/¯îºÃ¢òÐ ÂòÂì-²üȢ¸ º£÷¾/º£Õ¨¼¨Á- -¸ÃÅø ¾õ «¸ò §¾¨Å§Â¡ À¢(È)÷(here it refers to God) §¾¨Å¡¸ðÎõ. Gruha could be a Corruption of Old Tamil Word Koorai Which goes to the root Kooru(Pyramid is the todays meaning of this representative structure)Kooru/koorai/kurai/kruhai/gruha. Rig Veda May be subtle tamil word þ¨ÃìÌ(kadavul) §ÅûÅ¢.it means whole lot of changes in meaning of the word Rg veda. Rig/iraigu/iraikku -veda has been connected to the meaning a bodyofknowledge Now i feel ve+da+veelvi(sacred oblation to god.This is substantiated by the first verse of rg veda . «ìÉ¢õ ®¦Ç Ҧᆢ¾õ.I conclude by giving the correct retrieval for rg veda=þ¨ÃÌ §ÅûÅ¢. As i said sanskrit branched out of her mother Tamil by exploiting and interpolating on the ayutha ezhuththu.Creating two intermediary order of consonents. If can intelligently remove some of these order from sanskrit words and replace them with tamil consonents we are looking at the mother of sanskrit that is Tamil. Eg:agni-fire in tamil it can be fit as : Agani=Aga+ni ni might be referral to godly attribute sacredity,and Aga-fire (horrific).We can try to interprete sanskrit sentences by applying this method to prove it is an offshoot of tamil. the examples presented are put in tamil characters as follows: ´¼õ-flow,-pronounced as "odam"µð¼õ-run,flow again,but read as "ottam" In the first case the consonent '¼' is read as "da" since the same occurs in the middle of the word so in the second order there can be only two order of the consonents evn modern english exemplifies this like: p,b. t,d. c,j. k,g. h=is ha in sanskrit and ayutha ezhuththu in tamil. most of others are combination consonents like f=p+h, q=ku=k+u . w=u+u x=a+k+s z=s+h+e+e. À¡¸õ=part.Ka tranforms to Ga in the middle. À¡ìÌ=beetle nut.here Gu gets reduced to 'ikku' Now i will talk about the intermediate orders produced by sanskrit Kha=ik+a+ha. gha=ig+a+ha/ik+ha+a+ha,presuming that ga second order consonent is produced by combination of ik+1/2ha. cha=ich+a+ha jha=ij+a+ha/ich+ha+a+ha tha=it+a+ha dha=idh+a+ha/ith+ha+a+ha fa=ip+a+ha bha=ib+a+ha/ip+ha+a+ha The uniqueness in Tamil is giving importance to mey ezhuththu and in combination with vowels produce consonents Ith+a=tha this is not in sanskrit. So what gets exploited so much so is the "ha"produced by tamil ayutham. ---One has to remember that second order has no written recognition in tamil pa becomes ba in any place of the word other than at the start of the word but cannot be expressed in writting it is a oral convention. words starting with consonents will have expressed first order. r,s,l,zha normally do not start a word except with the help of a consonent preceding. "r,s,l,zha normally do not start a word except with the help of a consonent preceding" even vowels can precede them. ya=is formed by=A+i+a The peculiarity of cha is that at any place other than the first in a word it lightens to sa and preceding with another half consonent ich it regains cha status. Language learners in the formal education pattern are not fed with good logic resulting in bad pronounciation which we often see. kha/gha" as "¸·«' and with that eliminate the need for '‹' in the script? "¸·«'can be "¸·"and "ig"can be"·ì"."ghan"(musik)can be"¸·¬ý".it could be "¸·¡ý" . Like this we transliterate sanskrit text but my idea goes beyond this. Since sanskrit is a derived language from tamil i am in the order of fixing sanskrit to tamil orgin not to attempt adapting tamil to sanskrit as i told you that sanskri is a derived language. I had already told you that we have to eliminate intermediate consonents from sanskrit words and adopt tamil equivalent to prove that the world is classical tamil or sumerian tamil.There may be varients in the process of development cycle of sanskrit. One thing comes to my mind is that rg veda could be a product of 1st tamil sangam. tamil and sankrit are now two school of thoughts emerging from their mother sumerian tamil.While formulation of rg veda there might two school of thoughts one to restrict phonetics to first order consonents and second to elongate to intermediary order this also the reason i believe that we can reduce sanskrit to its orginal tamil form. May be we are making some progress here that may lead into understanding better how from the same basic phonology of Sumerian the phonology of Sanskrit as different from it developed. The need to induce large volume of words into the vocabulary could have resulted in thinkers of those days to extrapolate (ha)to form multitude of permutations in the language and form a new structural varient from sumerian tamil. sanskrit and c.tamil should then share same roots for their ancestors are same that is dravidians and not aryans. Attempt towards this proposition ahs already started and let us hope in the near future we will be able to substantiate this view. |
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09-21-2006, 08:00 AM
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¯ó¾¢ Ӿġ ÓóÐÅÇ¢ §¾¡ýÈ¢òThe sounds are emanating from the naval
with air stream getting released through eight parts. ¾¨Ä¢Ûõ Á¢¼üÈ¢Ûõ ¦¿ïºƒ¢Ûõ ¿¢¨Ä- þô, ÀøÖõ þ¾Øõ ¿¡×õ ãìÌõ «ññÓõ ¯ÇÀ¼ ±ñÓ¨È ¿¢¨Ä¡ý ¯ÕôÒüÚ «¨Á ¦¿È¢ôÀ¼ ¿¡Ê(As the sound get structured according to syntax laid. ±øÄ¡ ±ØòÐõ ¦º¡øÖõ ¸¡¨ÄôThe state of all syllables and words À¢ÈôÀ¢ý ¬ì¸õ §ÅÚ§ÅÚ þÂÄ by impact of production and its effect express and act differently ¾¢ÈôÀ¼ò ¦¾Ã¢Ôõ ¸¡ðº¢Â¡É Which shall be seen and experienced. |
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09-27-2006, 08:00 AM
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Dear Mr. PROUDARYAN,
While some of your statements are acceptable as Historical as well as conforming to the Vaedhic-Truths,.... .... I am pained to note your blatant attack on South-Indians, ... so called Dravidians.... especially TAMILIANS !.... by DENIGRATING their VERY OIRGIN itself and further... INSULTING their... HIGH AND ANCIENT Civilisation. Which shows your BLIND IGNORANCE as well as ...FANATICISM !!! You are welcome to PUT FORTH your Individual Views here, ... even if it be CONTRARY.... and COMBATIVE... .... but UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES... You can indulge in.... ... either DEFAMATION on any Individual or Group or CULTURE. For God's sake DON'T HATE any Culture or Civilisation or ANY LANGUAGE internationally.... because each and every one of them has its own Individuality, Uniqueness, Beauty and Values Please Note the following Points, which are based on the authentic Research-Conclusions. .... ... on which you are welcome to REPLY AUTHENTICALLY. (1) British Rulers with a nefarious means of Divide and Rule Policy, got a FALSE-HISTORY written about Indian Civilisation, provoking a Constant mutual Controversy and Antagonism amongst the Indians themselves. (2) Aryans were not the Domiciled Indians but the born Indians of India..... and the so called Dravidians too. (3) It is RADICALLY WRONG to say that there were TWO RACIAL GROUPS of People amongst the ancient Indians.... named as ARYANS AND DRAVIDIANS!!!... (a) While there is no Phonetic as "DRA" in the so called the Most Ancient Dravidian Tamil Language how can it be their Groups Name? (b) The word "Aryan" is Sanskrit means: LEADER, HUSBAND, BEST etc. (c) The word "Dravidian" too is Sanskrit... meaning as.... WAGABOND /, MIGRATOR / One who moves from place to place without one specific place of settlement.... etc. (d) The Sanskrit-Dhaathu (Root-word) for "Dravid" is.... "DRU" means the One which MOVES.... from the same Dhaathu, another Sanskrit word "DRAVYAM" meaning Money/ Wealth has emanated, since it always moves from hand to hand and place to place. (e) One section of the Ancient Indians of ONE AND THE ONLY INDIAN RACE as ARYANS.... were very DYNAMIC.... ENTERPRISING... as well as.... ADVENTUROUS like the Britishers of ancient days. Such a section of Aryans was named by their Brother-Aryans as DRAVID, because they were in the habit of moving from place to place venturing new areas of occupational means, while the other group of the same Aryan-Race were contented in settlement at the places already well-developed by their endeavour. (4) The word SANSKRIT itself means.... SANS = Reformed / Newly Developed KRIT = Deed / Consequence/ Resultant / Action So to say a REFORMED LANGUAGE from some other Prior Language! (5) Dravidians also ORIGINATED from NORTH INDIA. (6) Mohanjadaro, Harappa Civilisation TALLIES NOT WITH ARYANS ... but...WELL with the so called DRAVIDIAN CIVILISATION.... ... which WAS EVER.... as well as ... IS.... ... THE MOST ANCIENT HUMAN-CULTURE... ie., the TAMILIANS !!! |
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