[S.T.D.]

Definitely IR era

because

1) entirely new trend not only for India for the world
2) orchestration
3) music without lyrics
4) Innovative usage of ragas in film songs
5) awesome BGM
6) classical oriented music

[PhillipHer]

// entirely new trend not only for India for the world //


can you highlight to common listeners about the trend he set for the world?

[Paul Bunyan]

Classical oriented music was much before IR's era. Nobody can deny the charm of Oru Nal poduma – Thiruvailayadal. The topic is highly subjective and responses would be more of what a person relates to which is not ideal for a consensus.
I'm in my late twenties and I'm overexposed to IR and ARR... Car stereos, Ipods and even at work place. Suddenly I'm finding great solace in Hindi 50s and 60s classics like Bhaiju Bawara, Awaara, and some good soothing Dilip Kumar, Dev Anand and Raj Kapoor numbers and sometimes with old AM.Raja numbers. If somebody wants to name it Tamil Inhibition his or her looking glass is just different.
And I'm tempted to vote for 50s and 60s period so ones listening pattern has a big say.

[TorryJens]

Seems like the discussions are going back to square one.. who has done it better popularity-wise, and to what extent (tn alone / southern states / india / whole world etc)... again and again aren't we trying to drive through the same dead end?

[Drugmachine]

if the discussion is on who made tamil people enjoy the most ..then it must be ilayaraja with 700 movies!

if the discussion is on who dominated unonimously....its ilayaraja!

rahman never dominated the tamil music world...he did very few movies which is never domination!

domination means the kinds of ilayaraja where every movie at a festival releases with raja music..rajni,kamal mohan ramarajan prabhu sathyaraj or anyone!

all movies with ilayaraja...thats domination!

[Lillie_Steins]

Obiviously IR era, that is golden era. This era's songs will stand forever. not only for 3 to 4 months. if you able to feel the Ilaiyaraja's song, then you are the gifted person. There are no words to describe the IR songs. you have to feel. These are my opinions only.

Every song becomes a superb one only when the audience feel it ! be it IR, ARR etc If you like a song to the core, then obviously words will fail to describe it !
In that case, every MD in the list have their own credit for this feel !
But the question is not that one : Nakeeran wants us to pin POINT the GOLDEN ERA ! For that, there must be something unique which was not in the other MD's ERA
Hope I am clear !

[Lillie_Steins]

if the discussion is on who made tamil people enjoy the most ..then it must be ilayaraja with 700 movies!
if the discussion is on who dominated unonimously....its ilayaraja!
rahman never dominated the tamil music world...he did very few movies which is never domination!
domination means the kinds of ilayaraja where every movie at a festival releases with raja music..rajni,kamal mohan ramarajan prabhu sathyaraj or anyone!
all movies with ilayaraja...thats domination!

IR might have dominated the post MSV era. But that cannot be taken as a domination on tamil audience ! For e.g., people who might have enjoyed MSV era might not have felt it great ! IMO. IR was able to dominate the then ordinary MDs. Eventually DEVA who copied / replicated him which eliminated this domination to certain extent ! But this never eliminates your observation on his domination during the period of MOHAN, RR, etc. I can accept with MOHAN / KH / RK era. But prabhu, sathyraj etc combo - almost saturated the feel and the GOLDEN PERIOD !

[Big A]

if the discussion is on who made tamil people enjoy the most ..then it must be ilayaraja with 700 movies!

if the discussion is on who dominated unonimously....its ilayaraja!

rahman never dominated the tamil music world...he did very few movies which is never domination!

IR-vai vitta odane ARR patthhi dhaan pechu varudhu.....y didnt u compare IR period to a MSV or a G.Ramanathan period???? which itself shows ARR's dominance.....as Jacky pointed out it is something very personal and a consensus cannot be reached on such issues..........

ARR's period was not just the golden period for Tamil music but also for tamil pride.........man, just imagine, Agarwals and Singhs queueing up to buy Tamil CDs.......if it wud have been for a Kannada movie i wud have gone .....hmmm.....enna panradhu.....

[Lillie_Steins]

Whenever I meet my North Indian friends & whenever the topic touches music , they first ask me about ARR only !

And so many questions will be poured on me like what kind of a guy he is , nice or arrogant , simple guy or moody etc etc !

Definitely ARR had made a magnificent stride in NI film industry

Though Thai manne vanakkam is not a film album, this song spread from Kashmir to Kanyakumari !

And though this has little relevance to TFM, ARR for sure made Tamilians proud .

Maar thatta vaithavar ARR. Thamizan endru solladaa !

As I live in Mumbai, I say this with pride

I will come to Isainyani next

[Paul Bunyan]

Originally Posted by nilavupriyan if the discussion is on who made tamil people enjoy the most ..then it must be ilayaraja with 700 movies!

if the discussion is on who dominated unonimously....its ilayaraja!

rahman never dominated the tamil music world...he did very few movies which is never domination!

IR-vai vitta odane ARR patthhi dhaan pechu varudhu.....y didnt u compare IR period to a MSV or a G.Ramanathan period???? which itself shows ARR's dominance.....as Jacky pointed out it is something very personal and a consensus cannot be reached on such issues..........

ARR's period was not just the golden period for Tamil music but also for tamil pride.........man, just imagine, Agarwals and Singhs queueing up to buy Tamil CDs.......if it wud have been for a Kannada movie i wud have gone .....hmmm.....enna panradhu..... hehe..Thats true. Even kannadigas don't queue up to buy Kannada cds nowadays

[S.T.D.]

hehe..Thats true. Even kannadigas don't queue up to buy Kannada cds nowadays

count me too...... .......

[Big A]

As I live in Mumbai, I say this with pride

yes thats true.......ARR has great name in Mumbai......

[softy54534]

Hi all,

For me the golden TFM period was the one between 1955 and 965. Just have a look at the type and variety of songs, singers and the MDs of that period, not to speak of lyricists.

GR, S V Venkatraman, T Chalapathi Rao, S Rajeswar Rao, Master Venu (all three telugu composers who have done well in tfm too), T G Lingappa, S M S Naidu, R Sudarsanam, R Govardanam (who ass later part of the VR group), VR , KVM, AM Raja (He's given music only to around six or seven movies, but what songs! Then Nilavu, alyana Parisu), T R Papa, S Dakshinamurthi, V Dakshinamurthi, Veda (He's given some fine original nos like in Parthiban Kanavu and Anbu Enge - Dingiri Dingale meenachi dingiri dingale).

And singers: Male: Tiruchi Loganathan, Seergazhi, TMS, CSJ, PBS, AMR, Ghantasala, T A Mothi, A L Raghavan, S D Sundaram (for more variety J P Chandrababu, S C Krishnan - he had a unique voice, didn'e he?).

Females: MLV, PLeela, Jikki, PS, SJ, LRE, AP Komala, Jamuna Rani, T S Bagavathi, Sarojini, P Bhanumathi and others.

Lyricists: Udumalai, KDSanthanam, Pattukkottai, KD, Ku Ma Balasabramaniam, Ka Mu Sheriff, Ku Sa Krishnamurthi, Suradha, Vaali, Alangudi Somu, Mayavanathan and many others.

They all had their distinctive styles, at least most of them. Melody ruled the roost. The blending of BGM and lyrics was simply amazing, and people listen to these nos even now and appreciate them!

For me this was the golden period - 1955 to 1965 - without doubt.

[Lillie_Steins]

For the first time I am seeing a very strong / qualitative post for the period 55 to 65 !

Sad that many of those names I havent heard

Vivid analysis !

Great Mr. Ramaswamy !

One word, pl mention about MGR & Shivaji , Gemini , Muthuraman - who all touched peak during this period

[tgs]

Hi Nakkeeran,

Thanks. But I am sorry I missed out another great lyricist of that period - Maruthakaasi - who has given us innumerable rhyming and meaningful songs. Somewhere I had read he had written the most no of film songs after KD during that golden period. Let me list a few:

1. Mullai Malar mele Moiikum vandu Poole (the lines end with le almost throughout) - from the film Uthama Puthiran sung by TMS and PS (According to me among the very best duet by this incomparable and made for each other singing duo).

2. Manapparai maadu katti Maayavarm Eru Pooti from Makkalaippetra Magarasi - TMS's solo with names of various TN towns being interspersed beautifully

3. Kaaviyama Nenjin Oviyama Athan Jeeviyama Deiveega Kaathal Chinnama - PS and CS Jayaraman from Paavai Vilakku - a great duet and the shenoy interlude by KVM is outstanding, equal to similar use of the north indian 'naadaswaram' by VR

Maruthakaasi cannot be forgotten.

[Peptobismol]

Hi Nakkeeran,

Thanks. But I am sorry I missed out another great lyricist of that period - Maruthakaasi - who has given us innumerable rhyming and meaningful songs. Somewhere I had read he had written the most no of film songs after KD during that golden period. Let me list a few:

1. Mullai Malar mele Moiikum vandu Poole (the lines end with le almost throughout) - from the film Uthama Puthiran sung by TMS and PS (According to me among the very best duet by this incomparable and made for each other singing duo).

2. Manapparai maadu katti Maayavarm Eru Pooti from Makkalaippetra Magarasi - TMS's solo with names of various TN towns being interspersed beautifully

3. Kaaviyama Nenjin Oviyama Athan Jeeviyama Deiveega Kaathal Chinnama - PS and CS Jayaraman from Paavai Vilakku - a great duet and the shenoy interlude by KVM is outstanding, equal to similar use of the north indian 'naadaswaram' by VR

Maruthakaasi cannot be forgotten.

Thanks for mentioning Maruthakasi

I believe he was closely associated with MGR ?

That song Kannai nambadhey unnai emaatrum was written by him ??

And that song Manushana manushan saapidaranda thambi payale also ?

What about Sathiyame latchiyamai kollada ? that song also ?

Pl clarify

[Peptobismol]

IR's era

[Raj_Copi_Jin]

I prefer 60-70. not because of I am MSV fan but Melody factor.

During this period we gave importance to Lyric part also. As rightly pointed out by maddy we hv seen new trend was emerged from pure carnatic based songs.

regards
ramesh

[brraverishhh]

http://musicandnoise.blogspot.com/2006/09/rahman-i-and-sound-of-music_22.html

A northindian music composer reviews ARR. It's bit long yet a must read for all ARR and neutral fans. Not many days you get such a lucid review.

Thanks for the link

[MannoFr]

// entirely new trend not only for India for the world //


can you highlight to common listeners about the trend he set for the world?

why you are if you dont get anything?

Mr. Jacky,

do you know the listerers of IR's songs is increasing day by day (i mean listener count is increased from 1980 to 2006)
do you know the music of IR increases fans to him

Can you give such style of song composition before IR era in anywhere of world. Ii mean the fusion, the music which travels from one region (western/karnatic/indian folk) to another and blending between different musical styles.


I know he has inspiration from Mozart, Bach, Beethovan and even from MSV , KVM, AMR. But definitely his kind of composition is new to music world at least for India. And ofcourse he was/is keen to produce/reproduce from inspiration.