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Old 07-07-2012, 02:11 AM   #1
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I wonder how we have come to this.

We consistently spent an average of 5% of our GDP and 25% of our budget building a first class Armed Forces over 40 years. We have the biggest Air Force even bigger than Australia and New Zealand combined. We have impressive array of satellites some owned, some leased, some jointly operated and some we don't own but paid others to develop and operate. We can see the expiry date on a can of ration of a soldier of a foreign force as he sits down for a break during military exercises. We have bases and equipment in both the Southern and Northern Hemisphere. We have forged enough alliances both for mutual national interests as well as commercial interests that the paperwork can bury a small good classed bungalow.

One fine day we wake up and find that Filipinos have replaced our Eurasians as the fourth race in Singapore. The Malays have no meaningfu part and the Indians as well as Eurasians have lost their hold in the Civil Service Senior ranks amply evidenced by Michael Barr. The majority of Singapore Chinese a slowly but surely finding their retirement rather premature. Singaporean kids are beginning to feel the impact of growing proportion of classmates who are foreigners.

So exactly what are we defending? Any clown with a degree even from a paper mill can land in Singapore and receive a 6 mth visa to look around. Not only are our doors wide open, I think the doors except for the hinges are missing.

So what does this country expect our national servicemen to defend? Surely not a way of life, surely not their jobs. I am sure everyone would be hard pressed to nail down what exactly we need to defend.

Give it some thought. Imagine our aspiration is now winning the SEA Games under 23 football in 2015. And we sent this Arsehole to the the US and the UK for his scholarly pursuit.
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Old 07-07-2012, 03:14 AM   #2
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Streets in Singapore are now choke full of PRC, Viet and Thai free-lance prostitutes roaming it.

You ask why? I point finger at PAP.

Singapore is degenerating really, really fast.

The only ones benefiting from PAP's failed and misguided policies are the very rich.

Normal citizens and the poor in Singapore are suffering, but their voices are silenced. Don't believe me? Just go hawker centres and see how many aged Singaporeans are cleaning tables and toilets to make a living . . . It is utterly shameful that it has come to this.

What are the NS men defending? The answer is that NS men are defending the PAP regime and the unjust system that only takes care of the rich.

And that for little or no pay, for 2 years. If you don't find that silly, I don't know what is. And don't be fooled by the phrase "National Service". The way PAP is running Singapore, this island is not a country or nation, but a private enterprise -- and no, you and I are not the shareholders, we are merely workers or slaves. NS is just a coded word for slave labour.

I wonder how we have come to this.

So exactly what are we defending? Any clown with a degree even from a paper mill can land in Singapore and receive a 6 mth visa to look around. Not only are our doors wide open, I think the doors except for the hinges are missing.

So what does this country expect our national servicemen to defend? Surely not a way of life, surely not their jobs. I am sure everyone would be hard pressed to nail down what exactly we need to defend.
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Old 07-07-2012, 03:33 AM   #3
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We are doing well sir. Thats why condo prices have gone up so much even w/o the foreigners buying.

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Old 07-07-2012, 05:02 AM   #4
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I wrote this because I heard a really sad case involving 3 brothers yesterday. The 3 brothers grew up in Redhill in a one room flat. The eldest joined the government department and reached Div 2 status. He is in his mid 50s and still employed. The 2nd brother will turn 50 this year and has remained unemployed for the last 10 years except for short periods of temp employment. He had a impressive career in IT with NCS, Citi and even a stint in the US etc. He was also a govt local scholar. He also has masters from UK. The third brother also has masters bit from OZ. He too has been unemployed and had been doing odd jobs. He does not want to say anything to the family but they think he works as night guard at a condo.

The 2 younger brothers both had their basic degrees in NUS. They look after their elderly mother by renting out the master bedroom to FT.

All 3 served their NS.


Streets in Singapore are now choke full of PRC, Viet and Thai free-lance prostitutes roaming it.


What are the NS men defending? The answer is that NS men are defending the PAP regime and the unjust system that only takes care of the rich.

And that for little or no pay, for 2 years. If you don't find that silly, I don't know what is. And don't be fooled by the phrase "National Service". The way PAP is running Singapore, this island is not a country or nation, but a private enterprise -- and no, you and I are not the shareholders, we are merely workers or slaves. NS is just a coded word for slave labour.
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Old 07-07-2012, 05:03 AM   #5
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We are doing well sir. Thats why condo prices have gone up so much even w/o the foreigners buying.

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What utter rubbish....

how can rising condo prices be any indication of the wellness of a people?

The truth is that there is so much money laundering and shenanigans being perpetrated in this country by foreign buying interests that singapreans are surely becoming an underclass in their own country.


Remember this, property prices here are all notional and transcient. The prices cant keep going up (despite what the PAP's ponzi scheme promises)...sooner or later, something's gotta give and when it does, all the overpaid leaders would have run away to enjoy the spoils of their plunder.... just you wait and see...

there will be that time of reckoning...and nothing substantial will be ever recovered as with all collapsed corrupted regimes because all that hot money will find another new "Singapore" somewhere else....
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Old 07-07-2012, 07:27 AM   #6
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The country has really really gone to the dogs. Whe you are about 50 yrs old, even the govt and its stat boards have for the past 20 years been laying you off. The private sector, esp the Americans, who were followed by European MNCs, have always been doing this, hiring and firing at the snap of fingers, so it is nothing new. But the govt appears even more zealous and fanatic about retiring relatively young people at 50 and replace them with at first younger singaporeans and then later FTs becos they are cheaper, appeared more hungry and willing to work their asses off without having families to support or NS or pregnancy to care about. And then suddenly as if acting the innocent young George Washington holding the axe, they are wondering who chopped down the tree, and started the BS about active ageism, one never retires etc, and you even have the Old Man glossing it over his aging self and giving himself another new lease of life after proclaiming himself still able and willing. And the dumbfucks never seem to see why there are so many unemployed young uncles walking around unemployed and have the audacity to say there is a job for anyone who wants it. Yet you can find returning scholars taking the revolving door route from EDB to stat boards and then GLCs if not entering politics on coattails, who as gung ho as their masters, started chopping heads at their own time and targets, all with seeming oblivion to the morass around.

What grates you more is when you have a trade union that does not behave like one but more like an employer/govt proxy.
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Old 07-07-2012, 07:34 AM   #7
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The one simple reason is that this govt has lost its way. It has not found new economic sectors nor a new paradigm to take us to new heights where the labour market can have more pathways that offer higher pay. All the talk about higher value add knowledge economy from the past is now quiet. Higher ups are just waiting to retire with their bonuses, their share options and their easy golden life in the pastures of GLCs.
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Old 07-07-2012, 08:57 AM   #8
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What grates you more is when you have a trade union that does not behave like one but more like an employer/govt proxy.
Abetted by 60% of the citizenry, if I may add.
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Old 07-07-2012, 11:48 AM   #9
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Singapore under LKY is like living under the rule of big Mafia gangster. He wanted everything for himself and this is GLC. In the begining things looks ok, everything from the begining always look OK. Now these > 600 GLC companies cannot cope with raising labour costs and because of this controlled economy by only 1 man, LKY, these GLCs lack independent to manage their own businesses.

To survive, the PAP and their GLCs have to resort to hire dirt cheap labours to produce profits at the expense of the citizens.

The people failed to change the government in GE 2011 but make small improvement. Perhaps come GE2016 (maybe earlier) we will see changes soon. With LHL as leader, an incompetent one, Singapore will fail more miserably if the citizens, and the new citizens, are to give him another term beyond 2016. New citizens are not daft and they too want a competent leader.

If old fart is to die today, the TP GRC will have to call for a BE and TP GRC will be another opposition ward which will break the camel's back for the PAP.



I wrote this because I heard a really sad case involving 3 brothers yesterday. The 3 brothers grew up in Redhill in a one room flat. The eldest joined the government department and reached Div 2 status. He is in his mid 50s and still employed. The 2nd brother will turn 50 this year and has remained unemployed for the last 10 years except for short periods of temp employment. He had a impressive career in IT with NCS, Citi and even a stint in the US etc. He was also a govt local scholar. He also has masters from UK. The third brother also has masters bit from OZ. He too has been unemployed and had been doing odd jobs. He does not want to say anything to the family but they think he works as night guard at a condo.

The 2 younger brothers both had their basic degrees in NUS. They look after their elderly mother by renting out the master bedroom to FT.

All 3 served their NS.
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Old 07-07-2012, 03:24 PM   #10
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One fine day we wake up and find that Filipinos have replaced our Eurasians as the fourth race in Singapore. The Malays have no meaningfu part and the Indians as well as Eurasians have lost their hold in the Civil Service Senior ranks amply evidenced by Michael Barr. The majority of Singapore Chinese a slowly but surely finding their retirement rather premature. Singaporean kids are beginning to feel the impact of growing proportion of classmates who are foreigners.
The Chinese are now divided into two races like the Eloi and the Morlocks. The Singapore Chinese and China Chinese. Ironically, the Singapore Chinese can find solace with Malays more than China Chinese and the first two jointly disdain the third (for poor uncouth habits, loud noise). It is now about 60% to 40%. (Perankans are more Singapore Chinese than ever.)

The India Indians overwhelm Singapore Indians so much that I can hardly find many of them around. Like Chinese, Indians are conscious of not having too many children hence numbers dwindled. They are also two groups divided as local Indians think non-locals are arrogant. However, I think local Indians are now only 25% of Indians here.

The Malays are very minority as there is hardly influx of Malaysian or Indonesian Malays for apparent reasons.

The Vietnam-Fillipina-Burmese group is beginning to become a large population here.
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Old 07-07-2012, 03:28 PM   #11
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The eldest joined the government department and reached Div 2 status. He is in his mid 50s and still employed. The 2nd brother will turn 50 this year and has remained unemployed for the last 10 years except for short periods of temp employment. He had a impressive career in IT with NCS, Citi and even a stint in the US etc. He was also a govt local scholar. He also has masters from UK. The third brother also has masters bit from OZ. He too has been unemployed and had been doing odd jobs. He does not want to say anything to the family but they think he works as night guard at a condo.
What a change. I can imagine Ngiam Tong Dow and Lim Chong Yah becoming two unemployed men in a one-room rented flat.
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Old 07-07-2012, 05:11 PM   #12
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I wonder how we have come to this.
bro,
isn't it more important to do what we need to do so as to achieve what we had recited in our daily pledge?
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Old 07-07-2012, 05:35 PM   #13
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The Chinese are now divided into two races like the Eloi and the Morlocks. The Singapore Chinese and China Chinese. Ironically, the Singapore Chinese can find solace with Malays more than China Chinese and the first two jointly disdain the third (for poor uncouth habits, loud noise). It is now about 60% to 40%. (Perankans are more Singapore Chinese than ever.)

The India Indians overwhelm Singapore Indians so much that I can hardly find many of them around. Like Chinese, Indians are conscious of not having too many children hence numbers dwindled. They are also two groups divided as local Indians think non-locals are arrogant. However, I think local Indians are now only 25% of Indians here.

The Malays are very minority as there is hardly influx of Malaysian or Indonesian Malays for apparent reasons.

The Vietnam-Fillipina-Burmese group is beginning to become a large population here.
Thats why I stress before that all the races here need to unite to fight the PAP and the marauding Foreign Invaders..
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Old 07-07-2012, 05:57 PM   #14
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Sorry to disappoint you but there will be no by-election. The PAPzi 'rule of law' dictates there is no need and the ball-less Deer Leeder will not dare to call one.

If old fart is to die today, the TP GRC will have to call for a BE and TP GRC will be another opposition ward which will break the camel's back for the PAP.
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Old 07-07-2012, 06:50 PM   #15
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Most of us won't here such stories because well educated people facing this type of situation withdraw from the public and head into the twilight.

I heard this from another local scholar who himself was in doldrums for 15 years and had his savings to rely on. He "came put" when his secured a really good job from a member of his family and began travelling for work and -establishing ties. He was now back in mainstream. He told me that there are many others out there.

He also told me that to keep their sanity they would go out nearly everyday. The National Library was one of many common location.



What a change. I can imagine Ngiam Tong Dow and Lim Chong Yah becoming two unemployed men in a one-room rented flat.
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Old 07-07-2012, 06:54 PM   #16
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I am with Zeddy on this. We need to gather together as Singaporeans and speak with one voice. I was with disappointed Ravi P, Andrew Loh and Alex Au who have online profile and could have done the discussion as the eyes and years of Singaporeans. Instead they took a stand politically stand because people like Alex have. Huge coterie of foreign friends working and living here.

They are govt critics but will happily attend NGOs parties as celebrities of local flavour.

The Chinese are now divided into two races like the Eloi and the Morlocks. The Singapore Chinese and China Chinese. Ironically, the Singapore Chinese can find solace with Malays more than China Chinese and the first two jointly disdain the third (for poor uncouth habits, loud noise). It is now about 60% to 40%. (Perankans are more Singapore Chinese than ever.)

The India Indians overwhelm Singapore Indians so much that I can hardly find many of them around. Like Chinese, Indians are conscious of not having too many children hence numbers dwindled. They are also two groups divided as local Indians think non-locals are arrogant. However, I think local Indians are now only 25% of Indians here.

The Malays are very minority as there is hardly influx of Malaysian or Indonesian Malays for apparent reasons.

The Vietnam-Fillipina-Burmese group is beginning to become a large population here.
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I wonder how we have come to this.

We consistently spent an average of 5% of our GDP and 25% of our budget building a first class Armed Forces over 40 years. We have the biggest Air Force even bigger than Australia and New Zealand combined. We have impressive array of satellites some owned, some leased, some jointly operated and some we don't own but paid others to develop and operate. We can see the expiry date on a can of ration of a soldier of a foreign force as he sits down for a break during military exercises. We have bases and equipment in both the Southern and Northern Hemisphere. We have forged enough alliances both for mutual national interests as well as commercial interests that the paperwork can bury a small good classed bungalow.

One fine day we wake up and find that Filipinos have replaced our Eurasians as the fourth race in Singapore. The Malays have no meaningfu part and the Indians as well as Eurasians have lost their hold in the Civil Service Senior ranks amply evidenced by Michael Barr. The majority of Singapore Chinese a slowly but surely finding their retirement rather premature. Singaporean kids are beginning to feel the impact of growing proportion of classmates who are foreigners.

So exactly what are we defending? Any clown with a degree even from a paper mill can land in Singapore and receive a 6 mth visa to look around. Not only are our doors wide open, I think the doors except for the hinges are missing.

So what does this country expect our national servicemen to defend? Surely not a way of life, surely not their jobs. I am sure everyone would be hard pressed to nail down what exactly we need to defend.

Give it some thought. Imagine our aspiration is now winning the SEA Games under 23 football in 2015. And we sent this Arsehole to the the US and the UK for his scholarly pursuit.
without Singaporean's heartware and passion for the country, all the F15s, all the submarines and all the tanks will not save SG.
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Old 07-07-2012, 07:01 PM   #18
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I asked quite a number of people about locals and PRC interaction. One common comment was any interaction was done with a clear purpose and not friendship driven. Many felt that PRC were keen to use Singapore as spingboard to the West or to use Singapore as education and business satellite but home was still China. There did seem to have a common ground. One other comment that was quite interesting was contact was more often with those who were married to Ang Mo and therefore more open but they felt they were superior.

It will be good if someone wrote an ariticle to steet debate.

The Chinese are now divided into two races like the Eloi and the Morlocks. The Singapore Chinese and China Chinese. Ironically, the Singapore Chinese can find solace with Malays more than China Chinese and the first two jointly disdain the third (for poor uncouth habits, loud noise). It is now about 60% to 40%. (Perankans are more Singapore Chinese than ever.)

The Vietnam-Fillipina-Burmese group is beginning to become a large population here.
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Old 07-08-2012, 03:30 AM   #19
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This is a good sum up of the situation. TFBH should put this in the Best Quotable Quotes in SBF and the PAP should blow it up in large size font and hang it up in Parliament.

The Chinese are now divided into two races like the Eloi and the Morlocks. The Singapore Chinese and China Chinese. Ironically, the Singapore Chinese can find solace with Malays more than China Chinese and the first two jointly disdain the third (for poor uncouth habits, loud noise). It is now about 60% to 40%. (Perankans are more Singapore Chinese than ever.)

The India Indians overwhelm Singapore Indians so much that I can hardly find many of them around. Like Chinese, Indians are conscious of not having too many children hence numbers dwindled. They are also two groups divided as local Indians think non-locals are arrogant. However, I think local Indians are now only 25% of Indians here.

The Malays are very minority as there is hardly influx of Malaysian or Indonesian Malays for apparent reasons.

The Vietnam-Fillipina-Burmese group is beginning to become a large population here.
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Old 07-08-2012, 03:12 PM   #20
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The FT influx was planned at least 20-30 years ago. The systematic demolition and upheaval of heart-felt historical buildings and areas was put into place a long time ago. I was warned of this systematic removal of Singaporean-ess about 17 years ago. There will of course be grey areas but the demolition of the national library was the last proof I needed. There was no need to demolish the library but for the sake of building a new country, a rojak country made up of largely 3rd world coolie citizenry and an indigenous population largely fed with fascist ideals.

When you vote in a fascist political party for half a century, you must expect social and economic reforms of mammoth proportions. Fascist are extremist in nature. They never do things bit by bit. It's either one-party rule or the army may have to be called in. It's either total control of the mainstream media and unions or total chaos will reign.
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