[MipRippoomamn]

I know there are some people (not less) who go to Thailand for getting their steroids because they're legal in Thailand and available in almost every pharmacy without a prescription.

Do Thai people have an opinion on this? If so, do they think it's wrong or do they see it as a source of income

[Avgustslim]

I don't know what thai people think about this but I do have a related question about getting prescriptions in thailand.

When ever I get sick in Thailand, I describe my symptions to my g/f and she runs off to the pharmacy. When she returns she normally brings back several small bags filled with pills (whather these pills are antibiotics or ibprofin I do not know). I do not go see a doctor but some how she obtains prescription meds for me.

Other times on the way back to the U.S. I see alot of farangs poping valum out of their small thai RX bags.

Do the pharmacies in Thailand just had out pills to just anyone who requests them? I'd think with the problem of the popular "ya ba" in thailand they would not give pills to anyone with out a doctors consent. How do prescriptions work in thailand?

[halfstreet]

I also heard about that.

As far as I know mostly Americans go to Thailand to buy steroids. There's also a famous American bodybuilder, Dennis James, who has a house in Thailand and stays there a couple of months each year.

What do Thai people think about it I think they don't care...or am I wrong?

[brandiweb]

Good idea. Fortunately I will be in Thailand in about 3 weeks from now

[Mappaindy]

I know this post is going to draw quite some disapproval, but it's just my opinion, hopefully no one gets too offended.

I am not in favour of banning/restricting drugs i.e. erimin, ecstasy, ketamine, heroin, marijuana etc. I'm not saying I promote the consumption of such drugs but I feel that the option should be left to the individual. If an individual chooses to consume such substances at his/her own peril then so be it. It's that person's own life anyway, the choice should lie with him/her. The same goes for suicide. Again, I do not promote nor condone such behaviour but I feel that choice is something we are born with, and last I heard, we own our own lives so the choice should be ours.

So back to the original question, I think there is nothing wrong with that. The choice is with the consumer. And before anyone says that the choice is not truly with the consumer because once he consumes these substances, he will be addicted and will have no choice but to continue consumption, I will say that the choice is still with the consumer because he knows that if he were to start consuming such drugs, he will be addicted.

Anyway the last part is just a pre-empt to a possible counter-argument.

[SantaClaus]

This is an interesting topic and I left it alone until I seen the post Makiy0 made. I think she has the strongest point and many of us deep down do agree with her. To make something illegal simply means you now have people trying to push limits due to the illegal taboo involved. There are many people I know personally who have never been a tobacco smoker yet we have tried smoking marajuana. Another good example is compare how much alcohol people purchase, and consume prior to the age of 21 then after they are legally old enough (here in the US). Most of my friends do not drink, but when we were teenagers we did very heavily. The old saying in America is rules are written to be broken.

I am however curious about the pharmacy issue to though. I noticed both times returning people had muscle relaxers, and one guy had a large amount of Xanax returning to the US from thailand, and yes they were medication from Thailand. How exactly is the drug system set up? Because my family doctor here in the US gives nearly any prescription requested by me yet, he would never give a script for more than 30 pills of Darvocet. A man on the plane had a huge bottle and it musta had 100-150 pills in it. It confused me at the time too.

[JMLot]

Yes, it comes down to the individual. My point is the impact on society that drugs and alcohol have when used in excess.
There are drugs that will alter the way a person thinks not only at the time of use, but also, after the effect wears off.
When this different way of thinking effects my life because someone decided to use drugs or alcohol it is no longer their choice.:O

[olivelappers]

I think making drug's illegal is a big mistake here in the US..
Just because it's illegal makes the younger generation want to do it more....

i had a friend that grew up in south america where there is no drinking age.... Not him or his friends had ever tried... But I think in the US, kids try something just because it is illegal..

[newshep]

I also agree with those who support the legalization of drugs (Makiyo et al), except I have one stipulation. It is one thing to legalize but a whole 'nother thing to promote. Thus, I would like to see drugs legalized for purposes of individual freedom but I do not want their providers (profiteers) to be allowed to advertise them. I would hate to have billboards, magazine advertisements, etc., to extoll the virtues of drugs and foster peer pressure to use them, just because they are legal. Yet, there will be those who want to promote them in order to profit from the addictions of others, with the rehab bill being charged to the government (i.e., taxpayers). Perhaps government has to be the entity that distributes and regulates them.

I also agree that steroids should be kept out of sporting competition, but if people want to otherwise ruin their bodies with them, have at it. It will be interesting to see in the next 25 or so years the outcome of steroid use upon those athletes that have used them. If they start dying off earlier than normal, there might be a backlash against their future use. But then, there'll always be someone who will take that chance anyway.

[MipRippoomamn]

Unfortunately nowadays it's not possible to compete with the best in almost every sport without using steroids.

Furthermore I agree with previous posters about legalizing drugs and keeping steroids out of sporting competition. I would make an exception for bodybuilders though, since their sport is based on steroids. If they want to use that stuff, so be it. After all it's their own body they're messing up...

[heennaRaf]

Quote[/b] (Tjau Min @ July 12 2004,21:06)]Unfortunately nowadays it's not possible to compete with the best in almost every sport without using steroids.

I think most everyone would disagree with that, We all know that Beckham does not use them, nor does Shaq. So if the best of the best are not using them, then why would the ones competing against them need to use them? The one's who can not compete without them simply need to work on their skills some more, not buy a drugs to increase their stamina and strength.

Quote[/b] ]Perhaps government has to be the entity that distributes and regulates them.

Is not the government already the organization controlling the drug trade ?

[jeepgrandch]

When drug addicts are treated as criminals, they have a lower tendency to seek rehab (if caught they go to jail so I don't see how that benefit society to clog up the prisons) and a higher tendency to commit crimes to feed their habit. Where drugs are legal but strictly regulated, the crime rate goes down since addicts do not have to hit someone over the head with a lead pipe to acquire drug money. Needle exchanges with addicts lower the incidence of HIV/AIDS transmission. Lastly, where drugs are legalized and regulated, the addiction rate has actually gone down slightly relative to where drugs are illegal. At the very least, if you have addicts in society, I would rather they get their fix from an approved supplier rather than me becoming a victim of a crime to support their illegal habit. Mind you, I am speaking generally since what applies to marijuana and heroin may not apply to other drugs. The nastier the drug, the stronger the regulation. Nevertheless, I think drug legalization without promoting it achieves the most practical, rather than simply moral, balance of individual and societal needs.

[opelayday]

Quote[/b] (Makiy0 @ July 10 2004,19:08)]I am not in favour of banning/restricting drugs i.e. erimin, ecstasy, ketamine, heroin, marijuana etc. I'm not saying I promote the consumption of such drugs but I feel that the option should be left to the individual. If an individual chooses to consume such substances at his/her own peril then so be it. It's that person's own life anyway, the choice should lie with him/her. The same goes for suicide.

But I'm not sure it's just the individual that takes the drugs that's affected by their decision, e.g. this guy addicted to ya-ba from the thaidrugaddict site holding a knife to the neck of the woman hostage.



That's obviously an extreme example, but the point I mean is that if you become an addict then it's no longer just yourself you're going to influence. What about the heroin addict who has to resort to crime to fund their addiction ? Who's going to compensate the victims ?

I think if drugs were legalised it's only logical that users themselves should be forced to pay the cost of medical treatment for any 'self inflicted' illness they incur as a result - why should everyone else have to pay for it in the form of higher taxes.

I'm curious about where you guys who advocate legalising drugs such as heroin (I'm not talking about marijuana here, as the line is much more blurred to me there) stand on whether governments have a duty to protect their citizens by banning any substances at all, and if so where you'd draw the line. Supposing heroin was legalised, and the next 'designer drug' that came around was much more dangerous - should that be legalised ? if someone wanted to commit suicide with cyanide pills, should they able to get hold of them at the local pharmacy ? or if they wanted to kill themselves by inhaling anthrax, should they be able to get hold of that too ?

Quote[/b] ]Maybe I'm wrong, cigarette advertising has been baned from televison for decades but that hasn't stoped anyone from smoking

I'm not too sure about that, type 'smoking rates' into google and all the results you get are "Teen Smoking Rates Decline Significantly", "High School Smoking Rates Plummet", "Smoking Rates Drop To New 10-Year Low" etc.

Of course there's doubtless many factors contributing to that, but from the statistics I don't think at least you can draw the conclusion that the ban is failing, though how much of an infulence it's having by itself doesn't really seem to be quantifiable.

[JMLot]

HELLO!!!
guys and gals, puuyings and puuchais, hello!!!
why do people of the opposite sex get together in the first place. HELLO!!!!
Maybe you are attracted maybe not. Both sides get together. Come on now this whole thing of wife -fishin is ridiculous. Ever heard of husband-fishin?
For me I would love to take my wife fishin ;but it is not her thing.

[MipRippoomamn]

Please stay ontopic guys...

[shieclulaweew]

Quote[/b] (delawang @ July 17 2004,20:48)] Originally Posted by [b Quote[/b] (Seeker @ July 14 2004,11:36)]Look how much the drug-scene has changed!

I’m sure you know all about that Seeker. Not too much, Delawang... only on the level of general knowledge. Much like "Caberet" in Germany, remember? You see, this kind of knowledge is available to anyone who doesn't spend all his time wife-fishing in Isaan, and/or getting drunk in the bars of the world.

Quote[/b] ]So are there two tier pricing for the drugs you sell?

Sure! There is the low price, for legal drugs like alcohol and tobacco. In fact, the prices are so low, that even little kids can get them with ease. The other pricing is for hard-core illegal drugs, which are - for the most part - more expensive.

[jeepgrandch]

What's with the bashing, Seeker? Nowhere here did I see anything that should provoke you into nastily attacking someone for "wife-fishing", being an old geezer or bringing an end to civilization as we know it by the decriminalization of drugs.

When it comes to discussion on the mia farang or decriminalization of drugs, you seem to not only voice your position, but attack those that disagree with you. Instead of me counterattacking or speculating as to possible reasons for your behavior, I'll just simply ask: What REALLY is at the heart of your chronic bitterness and contempt?

[MipRippoomamn]

Quote[/b] (Stacker @ July 12 2004,21:46)]I think most everyone would disagree with that, We all know that Beckham does not use them, nor does Shaq. So if the best of the best are not using them, then why would the ones competing against them need to use them? The one's who can not compete without them simply need to work on their skills some more, not buy a drugs to increase their stamina and strength.

I said almost every sport. In soccer or basketball there's no need to take steroids, since endurance and technical skills are the most important. Nevertheless, the roid nandrolone seems to be very popular among top soccer and basketball players.

When you think of sports like sprinting, cycle racing and boxing, then you must be very naive thinking there aren't any steroids involved among the top competitors.

[MipRippoomamn]

[offtopic]

BTW would you consider Beckham best of the best?

Don't get me wrong, he is a great player, has a great pass and great free kicks, but I wouldn't consider him best of the best only because he plays for Real Madrid and earns millions of dollars.

[/offtopic]

[heennaRaf]

How bout these apple's..... alcohol is mentioned as being one of the worst drugs available, highly addictive, and severely decapacitating individuals. Look at how many millions of people can not control themselves with this seemingly mild drug. As Farang mentioned let's pull up the death rates and see how many alcohol was involved in.

Now if the idea of a simple beverage can not be controlled in a person's mind, what will happen if K or crack was readily available for anyone who wanted to experiment?? We move to these areas and we are not only allowing these curious ones to explore, but we are endagering anyone who has contact with them. Not trying to sound like an old man, but I have a 2 forklift accidents 1 being fatal because of illegal drug use. Both men are in prison now, hopefully they are learning, if not by their time maybe by the heart-wrenching guilt. I do not want my wife to be working in such dangerous positions. I am sure that you would not want to give your child baby food from a factory that you know allows illegal drug use.

Seeker I knew you were posting all 700 of those LMAO
Sad when a disclaimer must be given at the end of a post hehe