[K0aM7urg]

i dont get vegetarians in general, or people with objections to wearing leather. Im sorry, i just dont understand why an omnivorous animal finds objection to eating meat.....

Many find the treatment of animals to be cruel and disturbing enough to lay off meat altogether. I am, for example, not against eating meat per se, but rather against the meat companies and abbatoirs. Since they are operating their business in a capitalist society, everything is about making money fast, and as many animals as possible are slaughtered as fast as possible. Hence, the well being of animals are neglected.

I've been to a slaughter house, and it's killing floor, and since seeing is believing, it sickened me to the point that I couldn't eat another animal.

Hope you understand my point of view better!

[strollerssfsfs]

You could probably get them custom made from Kendo retailers. I remember there was a thread about this somewhere on here.

[SonicPs]

Can you compare a cauliflower to an animal? To me, it's like saying, "If you can kill ants, I can kill people. If you respect my opinion I'll respect yours." But would you respect an opinion like that?

However, I do respect your opinion, I just think that analogy wasn't all that good.

Well yes, they are both living things, feel pain (yes plants do feel pain) and I respect every opinion, but anyway that was a joke and now I will act all drama queen and point out that I was the one who took the bother to find a vegan bogu in the thread I linked to. I take part in a group of volunteers who go out to the streets and give out food (yes, I am a bleeding heart) and we get all our foods at markets asking the seller if they have any to spare (already ripe fruit, veggies which got a wee funny bit, etc) and since to this day no one has given us meat or animal products we cook vegan food. I respect vegan and vegetarians as well as people who eat animals, the only exception is hippies.

And now a question for the vegans, I've wondered: Is semen vegan?

[JetePlentuara]

How can slaughtering animals be humane? Isn't that an oxymoron?

no more inhumane than anything in nature. and Anjin-san.....If this wasnt a public forum i would tell you what to go do with yourself(im assuming that was aimed at me)

[Ceakicknunk]

well, you only live life once so....




semen

[softy54534]

true.

im getting close to my 500th post and i'd prefer that it didnt contain the word "semen"

[omaculer]

it was due ti health issues, I loved the meat so much that my uric acid level was that of an old man with gout ( I was 17 at the time )

didnt last over that period of time.

Nothing beats the taste of a good steak grilled and rare.

Can turn our back at our heritage.

It was the fact that we where able to eat fat rich tissue, that enabled our brains to develop to what they are now.

Its in our subconcious.

But then again its a matter of choice, nowdays.

If someone decides to lay of meat, its their choice.

What I really disaprove is of people gathering to molest and abuse artists o celebrities who wear leather garments.

its been like that for ages, and there is nothing wrong with being on top of the food chain.

The thing is, most vegetarians (that I have spoken to anyways) are against the treatment of animals, not against eating meat by itself. That's a huge difference.

Oh, and by the way, many experts believe that our ancestors ate far less meat than today. Fat can be obtained in other forms than meat.

[uphokyhuP]

There are plenty of euphemisms around. Some of them are quite funny

haha. trust me, i've heard them all. i think i read too much...

[rozettasmolanov]

2 things that i dont understand. vegetarians and hippies. i respect what they're trying to accomplish and i beleive in it myself but vegetarians and hippies methods arent getting anyone anywhere.

instead of not eating meat, protest the people who kill.

instead of doing drugs and listening to bad music, well...not much can be done about that...

just my insight.

[Vezazvqw]

When it comes down to it... there is only one question at hand, and no one or thing can worm out of this one: If not eating meat is perfectly healthy (for a modern human being, at least), if eating animals is not a question of survival (example: you live in a large city in a first-world nation, you have a house and a job/there is no need to hunt), and if animals are sentient beings and can feel "scientifically proven" pain [thus, putting them on about the same level as humans, and you may debate this all that you want], then there seems to be only one logical conclusion.

The way animals are treated today (and don't give me any of this "it's better now than it was back then" crap, because that is not the truth) is utterly atrocious. In the past, factory farms did not exist. Animals were not stuffed into cages barely large enough for them to fit in, were not forced to live in warehouses on cement, were not forced to constantly walk through piles of feces nor endure the smell of intensive indoor "farming", were not debeaked due to overcrowded conditions, were not fed the body parts of other animals (often their own species) even though they are not naturally carnivores, were not fed antibiotics to "fatten them up", did not have their babies taken away from them almost directly after birth, were not trucked long distances through the blistering sun or freezing sleet to slaughterhouses cramped against each other. I could go on and on about how animals are currently treated, but for everyone's sake I'll leave it at that.

Some people (unfortunately few, thanks to The Media and co.'s convenient avoidance of this issue and misguided widespread stereotype) find this quite objectionable, and so abstain from eating the flesh/"products" of animals. As for the issue on leather, I imagine it must be quite convenient to justify using it because it is the by-product of another industry -- but they are inextricably connected. By helping one industry you're essentially helping the other, and there are far more practical synthetic materials that are stronger, more durable, and cheaper than leather. It's difficult to be vegan in an age when practically anything involves someone else suffering because of it, but it is quite possible and is an endeavor that I both partake in and respect.

I'm pretty positive there are all-synthetic bogu sets out there that are just as protective and durable if not more so than animal-derived ones, but I haven't come across any as of yet. I bought mine second-hand, and I'm glad it's being put to use -.-;

Sorry, Lloro

[Nikkytas]

true.

im getting close to my 500th post and i'd prefer that it didnt contain the word "semen"

There are plenty of euphemisms around. Some of them are quite funny

[WebDocMan]

What I'm saying is that I don't like cheese. . .

if you describe it as cow nipple pus i can see why!

[OlgaBorovikovva]

Piggy ~ LOL!! I *love* the reply. . .

(the rest of this is not directed at you)

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The research is old, and has been repeated countless times. Eat meat, live quite a while, get sick on a regular basis. Eat no meat, live longer, get sick less often. The end. It's like arguing about gravity. We get it. The debate is over, and meat lost.

um thats why most of the oldest people in the world still enjoy there meat(a few of them right along side there tobacco and alcohol.....

[Peapeuddedbaw]

the only vegetarians i realy take issue with are the ones who keep carnivorous animals, and force them to eat only vegetabels....i called the ASPCA on a "vegan" because helld been feeding his dog nothing but salad for all intensive purposes.....talk about animal cruelty, poor dog was so undernurished it was amazing. I wanted to slap a guy on a fish forum once. He didnt like feeding his trigger(wich get about 12-18 inches long and ONLY eat meat) frozen mysis shrimp. I understand they might not want to eat meet, but dont make an animal designed to eat only meat suffer because of high and lofty ideals.(not ranting at the starter of this thread btw)

Well yes, those 'vegans' are just plain stupid. I would slap one myself, if I had the chance!

[IoninnyHaro]

i dont eat anything with four legs. if it has two, its out of luck. its very hard to be correctly nourished without meat for me.

and yes. its true that the animals are taken care for much better than they were in the past.

i dont like that they test weapons and cosmetics on animals and i dont like that they change thier diets because of what they feel is humane. but understand that my culture has nothing in the way of protien except for meat. so therefore, i am forced to eat it but, i have (as i have already said) changed my diet to lessen this.

now, is that so bad?

[Marinausa]

i dont get vegetarians in general, or people with objections to wearing leather. Im sorry, i just dont understand why an omnivorous animal finds objection to eating meat.....

[ebBPxIai]

i've debated this with my friend for hours and came to, no its not as long as you dont swallow.

I don't know, if I was a vegan, Killing an animal (possibly choking it to death), cooking it, chewing it BUT spitting it out would not be alright.

[reiruviartugs]

let me make a point here btw. Im not attacking you, im simply discussing why you feel that way. please dont take this as a personal insult in any way. I started my side of this discussion out of interest.

the only vegetarians i realy take issue with are the ones who keep carnivorous animals, and force them to eat only vegetabels....i called the ASPCA on a "vegan" because helld been feeding his dog nothing but salad for all intensive purposes.....talk about animal cruelty, poor dog was so undernurished it was amazing. I wanted to slap a guy on a fish forum once. He didnt like feeding his trigger(wich get about 12-18 inches long and ONLY eat meat) frozen mysis shrimp. I understand they might not want to eat meet, but dont make an animal designed to eat only meat suffer because of high and lofty ideals.(not ranting at the starter of this thread btw)

[G8whlTAe]

I think everybody should do as they please.

Me personally, I like meat.

Yes the way how animals at slaughter houses are treated is bad but there is also meat that is from animals that had a resonably good life not in these concrete houses of death that could walk around eat grasses and is slaughtered in a different way but this meat is alot more expensive.

It's all done to make more money at the cost of the animals and you all know it's the choise of the most of us to buy the cheaper products also because of the scepsis towards the manufacturors asking yourself if the product is really biological correct or just another way to make more money just as they inject chicken fillets with water so they weigh more cause they can have a certain percentage of water in them.

I think not eating meat out of protest is a wrong thing, in my opinion it would be better to support the side of the industry that is treating the animals good and there is a part that does this but their product just cost alot more.

But then this is just my opinion.

[Michmant]

Do animals suffer in the slaughterhouse? Probably.
Do I care? Hell no.

"Meat isn't murder, it's delicious." - Johnny Rotten