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**Uttephabeta** · 10-28-2005, 08:00 AM

I watched a tournament once and saw a kendoka go down...the opponent kept going after men and the one who fell scrambled like heck to get away and get up. I don't believe the fallen one dropped his shinai, but I think it's supposed to be one point to the other if the guy drops it twice in the match.

**occalmnab** · 11-14-2005, 08:00 AM

When somebody falls down during a match, what are the rules? Like, can the person still standing strike the opponent who, fell? or visa versa, can the person who fell, quickly get back up and attack/defend without the refs pausing the match. Does it depend on how you fell, where you fell, why you fell, if you drop the SHIANI or not?

Now we are having a kinda league SHIAI at school where everyone fights everyone once. Sometimes a KENDOKA falls down and the standing KENDOKA never really knows what to do. Do you stop, help him up, or go for MEN?

I remember a link in a post awhile back, that had this great rule book for kendo SHIAI but can't seem to find it.

**PoideAdelereX** · 12-01-2005, 08:00 AM

Here's an older thread, there are several others like it.

Xeraphim, see here, chapter 4, article 7, paragraph h.

**shiciapsisy** · 02-28-2006, 08:00 AM

Usually, you are told to immediately hit anything thats open on the fallen kendoka.

Coming from the other side of the fence, usually the shimpan stops the match after the kendoka falls so there is usually no chance the fallen one can attack/defend. However, that is why if you are not the one that has fallen, you go in for a quick hit..

Tim

**DfrtYhyu** · 03-21-2006, 08:00 AM

This has been addressed before in another thread, but the rules are that the opponent must act immediately and make a strike to the fallen kendoka. There can be no delay in the attack or the shimpan will not award a point, even if the strike is to a valid target and all other factors are correct.

**Romobencience** · 05-02-2006, 08:00 AM

When somebody falls down during a match, what are the rules? Like, can the person still standing strike the opponent who, fell? or visa versa, can the person who fell, quickly get back up and attack/defend without the refs pausing the match. Does it depend on how you fell, where you fell, why you fell, if you drop the SHIANI or not?

Now we are having a kinda league SHIAI at school where everyone fights everyone once. Sometimes a KENDOKA falls down and the standing KENDOKA never really knows what to do. Do you stop, help him up, or go for MEN?

I remember a link in a post awhile back, that had this great rule book for kendo SHIAI but can't seem to find it.

If the other FALLS then quickly WHACK him (obviously in a correct AREA). After the fall the shimpan will CALL yame. It's generally not a good IDEA to keep HITTING the opponent after that. If YOU fall then don't stop and smell the FLOWERS. Don't DROP the shinai ot you'll get hansoku. Don't roll over and neglect TO defend YOURSELF or you'll get a HANSOKU. It's generally RARE to get a POINT off someone in the GROUND. Also if you are down and you see the other coming in for men don't just put your head down offering the neck. It's very scary to see that.

**Annyllop21** · 06-08-2006, 08:00 AM

I can't really find anything about this in the almighty IKF rulebook... anyone got the page and/or paragraph numbers where to find it?

**herrdwq** · 07-31-2006, 08:00 AM

Here's an older thread, there are several others like it.

Xeraphim, see here, chapter 4, article 7, paragraph h.

I'm totally confused by that page

And I don't really trust older rules (those on your page are 1998 while I'm pretty sure the current rules are dated March 23, 2000.
I know it's being carebear but it could be a difference

**Cengaeas** · 07-31-2006, 08:00 AM

Actually those ones are from '88 not '98. Here's a more current version. See under "Subsidiary Rules for Kendo Competition and its Refereeing", Articles 11 and 16 (point 5), then under "Guidelines for Competitors and Referees", sub-heading "Suspension", point 3/4. The substance of the rules haven't changed - if someone falls, the shimpan will allow a point if the strike is made immediately, what constitutes "immediately" is up to the shimpan. If no valid cut is made, the match is halted and restarted at centre. No penalty to the fallen person, unless they intentionally lie on their stomach and try to cover.

10-28-2005, 08:00 AM	#1
Uttephabeta Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 451 Senior Member	I watched a tournament once and saw a kendoka go down...the opponent kept going after men and the one who fell scrambled like heck to get away and get up. I don't believe the fallen one dropped his shinai, but I think it's supposed to be one point to the other if the guy drops it twice in the match. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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11-14-2005, 08:00 AM	#2
occalmnab Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 441 Senior Member	Falling Down... When somebody falls down during a match, what are the rules? Like, can the person still standing strike the opponent who, fell? or visa versa, can the person who fell, quickly get back up and attack/defend without the refs pausing the match. Does it depend on how you fell, where you fell, why you fell, if you drop the SHIANI or not? Now we are having a kinda league SHIAI at school where everyone fights everyone once. Sometimes a KENDOKA falls down and the standing KENDOKA never really knows what to do. Do you stop, help him up, or go for MEN? I remember a link in a post awhile back, that had this great rule book for kendo SHIAI but can't seem to find it. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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12-01-2005, 08:00 AM	#3
PoideAdelereX Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 314 Senior Member	Here's an older thread, there are several others like it. Xeraphim, see here, chapter 4, article 7, paragraph h. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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02-28-2006, 08:00 AM	#4
shiciapsisy Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 485 Senior Member	Usually, you are told to immediately hit anything thats open on the fallen kendoka. Coming from the other side of the fence, usually the shimpan stops the match after the kendoka falls so there is usually no chance the fallen one can attack/defend. However, that is why if you are not the one that has fallen, you go in for a quick hit.. Tim Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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03-21-2006, 08:00 AM	#5
DfrtYhyu Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 512 Senior Member	This has been addressed before in another thread, but the rules are that the opponent must act immediately and make a strike to the fallen kendoka. There can be no delay in the attack or the shimpan will not award a point, even if the strike is to a valid target and all other factors are correct. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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05-02-2006, 08:00 AM	#6
Romobencience Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 500 Senior Member	When somebody falls down during a match, what are the rules? Like, can the person still standing strike the opponent who, fell? or visa versa, can the person who fell, quickly get back up and attack/defend without the refs pausing the match. Does it depend on how you fell, where you fell, why you fell, if you drop the SHIANI or not? Now we are having a kinda league SHIAI at school where everyone fights everyone once. Sometimes a KENDOKA falls down and the standing KENDOKA never really knows what to do. Do you stop, help him up, or go for MEN? I remember a link in a post awhile back, that had this great rule book for kendo SHIAI but can't seem to find it. If the other FALLS then quickly WHACK him (obviously in a correct AREA). After the fall the shimpan will CALL yame. It's generally not a good IDEA to keep HITTING the opponent after that. If YOU fall then don't stop and smell the FLOWERS. Don't DROP the shinai ot you'll get hansoku. Don't roll over and neglect TO defend YOURSELF or you'll get a HANSOKU. It's generally RARE to get a POINT off someone in the GROUND. Also if you are down and you see the other coming in for men don't just put your head down offering the neck. It's very scary to see that. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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06-08-2006, 08:00 AM	#7
Annyllop21 Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 503 Senior Member	I can't really find anything about this in the almighty IKF rulebook... anyone got the page and/or paragraph numbers where to find it? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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07-31-2006, 08:00 AM	#8
herrdwq Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 470 Senior Member	Here's an older thread, there are several others like it. Xeraphim, see here, chapter 4, article 7, paragraph h. I'm totally confused by that page And I don't really trust older rules (those on your page are 1998 while I'm pretty sure the current rules are dated March 23, 2000. I know it's being carebear but it could be a difference Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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07-31-2006, 08:00 AM	#9
Cengaeas Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 344 Senior Member	Actually those ones are from '88 not '98. Here's a more current version. See under "Subsidiary Rules for Kendo Competition and its Refereeing", Articles 11 and 16 (point 5), then under "Guidelines for Competitors and Referees", sub-heading "Suspension", point 3/4. The substance of the rules haven't changed - if someone falls, the shimpan will allow a point if the strike is made immediately, what constitutes "immediately" is up to the shimpan. If no valid cut is made, the match is halted and restarted at centre. No penalty to the fallen person, unless they intentionally lie on their stomach and try to cover. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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