[courlerwele]

The Nito player that I have played with on several occasions is very good, (I think a lot of people know about Raymond Sensei), But the reason that he is "untouchable" is because he has been doing nito for a VERY long time. I don't believe it is an advantage to use two swords, I believe that it is just a different style.

The one thing about Nito is that your tsuki is wide open all the time. Of course I wouldn't do a tsuki strike against Raymond sensei just because I know he would kick my butt left right and center.

With someone of his own level of playing, nito vs. chudan can be very even. What is very interesting to watch is nito vs. jodan!

[Teligacio]

Wow. A Japanese guy from Kanazawa claiming that kendo is not a budo. Well, whether kendo is in fact a budo or a sport is a whole stand-alone issue in and of its own (and I do believe that it is a personal issue), so I won't go into that, but with your permission, I will certainly go learn nito if I become fascinated by it.

I happen to agree with Neil on this point. Nito is within the rules so we all have to deal with it. AND if it were truly more advantageous than itto, why don't we see more All Japan Kendo Champs with more nito players? As far as I know, there isn't a single kenshi who won the AJKC with nito (although I hear that one of Toda Tadao sensei's specialty was nitto, I don't know if he in fact won the 10th AJKC back in 1962 using nito). In fact, the way Musashi (at least according to popular beliefs) developed nitto when he was a more aged/experience/wise fencer which suggests that it really takes more control/effort/experience to effectively use two swords.

I guess if you really feel strongly about the "kendo should be itto" philosophy, you could attain 8 - 10 dan sometime and convince the other kodansha to ban nito from modern kendo.

[imnaone]

i have fenced with the same Team Canada member that Mr. Gendzwill did a few times. I couldn't touch him.... The best thing to fight nito is to liken it to Jodan. Keep out of their range, or go right up in their face. Try drawing an attack out of them, then capitalize on the opening. Saying that is easy....doing it is another.

[Obenuearema]

tashaki,

i guess i don't see your point. firstly, no one is misunderstanding your point of view regarding kendo and nito, so the "simplified and finally-rendered opinion" was a nice review, but whether or not others and i agree with your opinion is another thing.

in my previous post to you, i was simply responding to your comments to me whose point was pretty clear in accusing me that i attacked you and introduced everyone to my "profanity", which is totally unfounded. yet this seems to remain unaddressed, as i didn't get your point.

[Cengaeas]

You have to be very careful about distance. Either be outside, or right in their face. If you try to play the middle, you get sucked in too close and then they control your shinai with the shoto and pound you men with the daito. Tip to tip is no good in this case!

[DongoSab]

Munen, Confound, Nakata,

Um... You guys have a rapport with each other that permits this kind of abusive language? Because otherwise you're not doing a very good job of representing international kendo reigi. Please correct me if I'm wrong and tell me you're actually just friendly rivals.

[unapelosina]

Some people use special kamae. I've seen one where the hands are held quite high and the kensen is pointing left. It looks like it exposes kote but seems effective.

Aside from that, no advice. I've played only two nito guys. One guy was about my level and I found that playing physical and close worked OK. The other is a Canadian national team member and I can't do squat with him, no matter what I try.

[ballerturfali]

Originally posted by sminki
if i understand the question correctly, charlie, the person in chudan no kamae should have his kensen to the left wrist of the person using nito (as against jodan). i don't exactly know where the shoto of the nito person should point. Sorry, sminki, what I mean was, in nito, the player has the shoto at chudan and the daito in jodan. But aru-ma said there was a chudan form of nitan, i.e. both swords in chudan, unless I mis-read that. So where are the TWO kensens in nito chudan - do they both point at tsuki? Does the daito point to tsuki while the shoto hangs out to the right, wavering like a sea anemone?

[bDvYaQfM]

Just stick to the topic at hand without attacking each other, or Japan. If you really despise Japan so much...apart from doing the obvious, this is not the thread!

As for personal insults, show some respect on the threads, and use personal mail for other stuff that nobody really wants to read. Either way, stop making the moderators have to moderate. It shouldn't be necessary for adults who share a love of kendo.

[forumsfavoriteall]

Just curious as to why you feel that way. After all, isn't nito way of fighting recognized by AJKF (or Zen Ken Ren as you guys say)? I have seen people testing for their hachi dan using nito. So why is kendo for one sword only?

[uchetrip]

Originally posted by munenmuso
Did you ever fenced against a nito player, what is it like? If you are faced with one, what will you gonna do to overcome him?

What technique do you often use against his two shinai? Is it really difficult to defeat them? Try this - entice the nito opponent to commence a cut to your men, then use a tsuriagi waza to deflect the approaching shinai and cut his (or her) men or kote or do.

[BopeDolaNeone]

Originally posted by Tashaki Nakata
sminki, i'm not a stereotype, nor am I obliged to listen to your attacks. I have my own opinion; it's better for you to disagree rather than to introduce everybody to your profanity.

If my opinions on whether kendo is a sport or a martial art (which I think is strongly related with this topic) somehow touch common kendo-issues very deep down there, then I strongly apologize.
Tashaki,

I don't see why you're being so defensive and blowing your top like this. I see that you're not a stereotype. In fact, all I did was merely point out that you're not a stereotype and that I disagreed with your view toward nito. Nowhere in my post did I resort to using any profanity/inappropriate language or attacking you. I see no reason nor substantiation behind you claiming that I attacked you and that I "introduced everyone to my profanity". Anyone in this forum would plainly be able to see that.

I do think that it is a bit ridiculous for you to say that nito has no place in modern kendo while AJKF and IKF recognizes nito as a valid part of modern kendo. That is what I was expressing in my post and I am entitled to have my opinion just as you are.

I might also mention that there is no need for any apologies regarding "kendo = budo or sport" issue either as I explicitly indicated my belief that it is a personal matter depending on each kenshi out there. If you would like to further read my views on this you'll be able to do so at the "Play"? "Player"? thread.