[Hedkffiz]

charlie,

sorry. i understand the question now.

what aru-ma is talking about is that there are 2 ways in nito in which the kenshi can hold his daito. he can either grip the daito directly under the tsuba of the daito (where the right hand usually goes in chudan) or hold the end of the tsuka (where the left hand usually goes in chudan). so it is a matter of where to grip the daito, not where the kensen is, as the daito will be above your head in jodan fashion.

only time a nito kenshi would do a "nito chudan" as you have called it, is during sonkyo, otherwise the daito is always held above the head.

[Doncarlito]

I find it kinda boring to watch nito matches....it takes hours to get a point.

I played matthew raymond once in jigeiko..woah the distance is so different from normal chudan...it was so tough!

[JosephNF]

Had one Nito guy with Budai zekken at my dojo last week...
Notes taken:-

1) Avoid blade contact (especially with short sword) at all cost. My opponent has been quite concern about blocking...
2) His reach is shorter than anyone in Jodan (because his long sword is shorter)
3) As my usual habit, aim for the following targets: Kote holding short sword, unguarded side of his Men, Gyaku-do
4) TSUKI HIM WHEN HIS KAMAE IS OFF!!!! HAHAHAHA I MADE IT!!!

(Sorry, just too happy)

[bloriMal]

if i understand the question correctly, charlie, the person in chudan no kamae should have his kensen to the left wrist of the person using nito (as against jodan). i don't exactly know where the shoto of the nito person should point.

[Kilsimpaile]

Originally posted by Tashaki Nakata
I think Kendo is for 1 sword only because Kendo isn't a martial art, it is a sport. I think this can be very debatable.... maybe to you or to many others, that kendo is a sport... but to many other, it's a martial art. Martial Art does not always have to got to do with self defence. It can also have the mean of self discipline, which I see in kendo. Yes, even though being in a shiai and win or lose feels great, and feels like a sport, but I think there will be many kendokas out there who will agree with me.

Also with there where many threads posted before. There are a couple of ways fight agaist a nito kendoka.

1. have you kensen aiming at the kote which holds the taito. and make sure that you are not in a distance where the kotachi is about to touch your shinai.

2. Tsuki!... like jodan, Tsuki is very exposed to be attacked.. difference is that you have to constantly notice there the nito player's kotachi is.. because the kotachi main aim is to break the itto players kensen and attack at any possible chance there is... this means your tsuki must be quick and deadly.

There are many other ways of fighting against nito players as told by Toda sensei when he visited Melbourne, but dont quite remember what the others are.. soo.. that is all i can remember...:P

Cheers

[RedImmik]

So, where is kensen in nito chudan? Both pointing to tsuki?

[pprropeciaaa]

Nito is absolutely not an 'unfair' advantage. As all the guys above have said, we would have plenty of bamboo flying around these days if nito was to win more matches.

With Ito you have the two hands on the sword, which means that you can strike faster and have more control over bloked/deflected strikes and thus recovery time is shorter. Also,in chudan no kamae, you have a vast array of possibilities to initiate or counter an attack.

Additionally, with Nito 99% of the time the blows delivered with the shoto will not count as valid points. So it's mostly about one sword anyway. Also, the myriad of waza available is pretty small, same goes for jodan.

[ssiikmuz]

The daito is a 37, so 60 mm shorter than a standard 39 shinai.

[EtellaObtaite]

AGH!! I hate this!! cant people read anymore? I thought this was a kendo thread not some lame A** argument forum.

If you dont like Japan fine! keep your opinion to yourself in this forum, dont make other people hate what they dont. at least arguing wether or not kendo is a budo or sport is still somewhat related to the forum, not this thread however. Although rather than arguing about it how about just do it and dont think about it, the only reason YOU do kendo is because you like it.

Now for something related to this topic, when Toda sensei came here (melbourne) I remember him teaching us how to play against a chudan nitto so I assume it exist but I've never seen anyone doing it. The other thing I remember is just the differet places (2) you can hold the daito, one is just beneath the tsuba and the other one is where your left hand usually is, right on the bottom of the shinai, when we were practicing it I was using a 39 so it was killing my arms.

last note, I know I should just use PM but might as well. qpuppy, got my gi yet?

[topbonuscasino]

Did you ever fenced against a nito player, what is it like? If you are faced with one, what will you gonna do to overcome him?

What technique do you often use against his two shinai? Is it really difficult to defeat them?

[DoctoBuntonTen]

By the way CONFOUND,

your last comments are borderline racist. Be careful.

[Rjvpicux]

More to the point he is not talking about Niten Ichi Ryu.......

He is talking about Nito Kendo, which are worlds apart. I'm sure Hyaku will confirm this if he on the board anytime soon.

I think, it is quite difficult to say this technique works best against a Nito fencer, just like it is difficult to say this technique works best against a Chudan fencer, as every fencer is different, and of varying skill, but having said that........ alots of spirit and Nidan/Sandan Waza is usually quite effective.

[husartrof]

That was a bit radical, Confound, even for you.

Rei.

[Nothatspecial]

I have fenced two nito players, one of which has been trained in Japan (Both 3rd dan)... I was given advice by one of my instructors (godan) who said "once you know your way thru a nito player, the path is usually the same"...So far so good!

I also find that taking Jodan gives nito players a different threat from what thier used to. Beacuse jodan is such a pro-active kamae it is very fast, and with this, an Itto kendoka can exploit the three main target areas...the kote, right saya men, and the do(exposed side). I'm not a good jodan fencer by any stretch, but damn is it fun!!!!!


Yamae............TSUKI!!

[mikajuise]

Over the weekend, I watched some top players fence a very good nito guy. Thing is, nito is difficult to do well, from what I understand, so if you have the confidence to do it in shiai, you're probably quite good! Otherwise, forget it. Also, it's difficult to judge the score as a shinpan.

One player I watched did quite well against the nito guy by, as Gendzwill said, playing close and aggressive. The kamae was like fighting against jodan, kensen at opponent's upraised left fist.

I dunno, it's out of my league, but if it were me I'd be hammering on those kote and prolly get do and men for my troubles.

[Frannypaync]

getting back to buisness and kets reduce the steam a little here

Originally posted by mingshi

2) His reach is shorter than anyone in Jodan (because his long sword is shorter)
3) As my usual habit, aim for the following targets: Kote holding short sword, unguarded side of his Men, Gyaku-do some questions on this, We've had Toda sensei visiting Australia some time ago (last year, I think). I never recall having the daito (long shinai) is shorter than a regular shinai, probably just me though but if it is shorter what size is it?
with your targets I found the kote holding the shoto(short shinai) rather impossible to hit since my opponent always throws my shinai off before it got there, same with tsuki but I always find the kote holding the daito wide open.
and finaly is there a chudan no kamae for nito? or is there only one kamae for nito?

[ssiikmuz]

A little harsh, dont you think? I believe munenmuso is trying to establish the differerences in styles and the different types of actions and reactions that both participants take.
I do not think munenmuso was trying to find out "which technique is the best".

I have never studied Nito and have only fenced against a practitioner once (and that was in my second ever training session). It is an experience....

sorry munenmuso but I cant give an opinion on this topic really...

[DrJonson]

According to the rules nito is allowed, so you have to deal with it. If it were such a huge advantage there would be lots of players using it but the fact of the matter is that only a few people have the athletic ability and skill to play nito well. Nito players are fairly routinely beaten by itto players.

[hrthwhr]

Originally posted by Tashaki Nakata
The match is pointless. Niten Ichi Ryu is a totally different style. You're talking like a 5 year old rookie: "Who will win. Arnold Schwarzeneger or Hiroyuki Tsukamoto. Arnold is very strong, but Hiroyuki is much faster and very slippery..." Please grow a brain. I have a fertilizer for that. I'll send you one if your interested. And to think your in Japan, you don't know the diff between nito kendo and niten ichi ryu.

[ensuppono]

One of my Senseis (who practices nito) told me to watch the shoto(short shinai?). He said its will tell you when the attack will come. In attack he said to try to attack the kote holding the larger shinai or go for sayu men.

Nevertheless, I got a lovely long bruise on my arm when he thought I would attack men after pressing forward with the shoto. Unfortunately/fortunately I kept a strong chudan and instead I got a nice dou cut on my arm...