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Old 01-30-2006, 09:18 PM   #1
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Hi, Im starting AikiJujutsu this week. I am also a member of a Karate club.
Should I quit the Karate club? Or is Karate and AikiJujutsu good?
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Old 01-30-2006, 10:03 PM   #2
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It depends. If you think you can handle both, then go on ahead and keep doing both. But if you think that you might run into problems, then you may need to just stick with one art.

I don't know much about the arts you are doing so I can't say how close the techniques are to each other to give an accurate recommendation. But in the end, it's all about what you can handle. You don't want to overload yourself, but you also don't want to shortchange yourself due to preconcieved notions.
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Old 01-30-2006, 10:45 PM   #3
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Hi, Im starting AikiJujutsu this week. I am also a member of a Karate club.
Should I quit the Karate club? Or is Karate and AikiJujutsu good?
I've heard good and bad. But have you ever paused to consider the appeal of macrame?
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Old 01-31-2006, 11:29 AM   #4
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Hi, Im starting AikiJujutsu this week. I am also a member of a Karate club.
Should I quit the Karate club? Or is Karate and AikiJujutsu good?
Do you also do kendo or iaido?
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Old 01-31-2006, 11:40 AM   #5
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karate is striking art, aikijujutsu is more of.. sort of like aikido.. depends of school of karate, they might actually teach something similar to aikijujutsu also.. throws.. locks.. joint break.. bone break.. pressure point that sort of things..

all martial arts are fun as long as your body can handle it.

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Old 01-31-2006, 01:01 PM   #6
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Do you also do kendo or iaido?
I was wondering the same thing. There is no iai or kendo in your bio. Most of us are more into the sword stuff.

Some of use do hand-to-hand combat, I do aikido. I have little experience in mixing arts, especially hand-to-hand combat. If you're a beginner at karate, it would not be a good idea to start aikijutsu, wait a few years. I had great difficulties with aikiken (aikido sword work) because of iaido. I've solved most of the different issues, but it was not easy. If you can blend in the two styles, no p. One can supplement the other. There was an (advanced) karateka at my dojo that was perfectly able to supplement his karate with aikido. He left because of his study. To bad, he is very talented.

Keep practising karate for a while, what if you don't like aikijutsu?
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Old 02-07-2006, 03:43 AM   #7
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I have done a couple of Aikijujutsu classes and wish to further pursue the Art, it's very enjoyable. A little painful though.
My only problem now is telling the Sensei that I dont want to train in Karate anymore.
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Old 02-07-2006, 04:11 AM   #8
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how long have you done karate?
and why would you not want to carry on with it? or does it clash with your aiki.
i carried on with judo for quite a while after i was enlightened with iai.
i now do aikido to keep fit, as i cant do kendo anymore.

a lot of people do more than one art, dont quit straight away...or filter out of doing it-e.g, cut down on the amount of training you do.
but the best thing would be to talk to both karate and aiki teachers about your situation.

oh and if it hurts, it means its good for you...honest
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Old 02-07-2006, 06:07 AM   #9
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What style of karate is it?
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Old 02-07-2006, 06:22 AM   #10
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Seido Juku Karatedo. My origional idea was to focus on learning the basics of Aikijujutsu and training the correct instincts. Not that I intend to fight anybody at all. Otherwise I dont think it clashes too seriously, and I could easily see myself training atleast once a week in Karate aswell, I've always had an interest in Kata and Kumite and the like. I think my main concern is learning and helping to preserve the art of Daito Ryu in the correct manner.

BTW: My Grandfather was from Preston. Died Dec, 2004. R.I.P
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Old 02-07-2006, 09:26 AM   #11
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I think my main concern is learning and helping to preserve the art of Daito Ryu in the correct manner.
How many lesson did you have, a 1000? Please, don't say that unless you're an experienced aikijutsuka . I'm serious, just because you've had a few lessons doesn't mean you have to perserve the art of daito ryu. Leave that stuff to the high ranking members and the soke. Just enjoy daito and when you get the hang of it (this will take a few years) then you can say you want to preserve daito ryu.

You did karate for quite a while didn't you? Unless you really started to dislike karate, don't stop. You could always use it as a secondary art form. Keep it on once a week, or so, to keep your karate up-to-date. Who knows, you might be able to blend or incorporate a bit of your karate into aikijutsu. It would be a waste if your karate knowledge goes to waste.
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Old 02-07-2006, 11:31 AM   #12
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I am not sure about AikiJujustsu unless it is the same as Daito Ryu JuJitsu that I learned in my late teens.

Why not try both, see how you feel when you are doing them! You may decide from such experience that karate-do is still the one for you- of course you may decide that you prefer Aiki- jujitsu. You must follow your own path whatever that may be.
And if that means the most honourable and divine study or spotting trains then so be it
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Old 02-07-2006, 08:19 PM   #13
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By preserve I meant to learn something which has been handed on from past generations.Maybe it isnt the right word considering I might not understand its true meaning. I just want to learn the right way should I have something of such meaning passed onto me. In which you suggest studying karate as a "side art" and maybe "mixing" the two. This doesnt sound very Daito Ryu to me. Although I swear I have seen a senior at the Aikijujutsu Dojo practicing empty hand kata.
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Old 02-08-2006, 09:04 AM   #14
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By preserve I meant to learn something which has been handed on from past generations.Maybe it isnt the right word considering I might not understand its true meaning. I just want to learn the right way should I have something of such meaning passed onto me. In which you suggest studying karate as a "side art" and maybe "mixing" the two. This doesnt sound very Daito Ryu to me. Although I swear I have seen a senior at the Aikijujutsu Dojo practicing empty hand kata.
AIkijutsu is (at least partially) empty handed, isn't it. There is nothing wrong with a "side art". Many others do it (I do ) the trick is not mixing it during practise (I did ). You are absolutely right about learning it the right way. But a lot of principles of one martial art are used in an other. This way they are beneficial to one an other. It could actually help you become a better "fighter". Your karate can become better by practising aikijutsu and visa versa. Remember the karateka I told you about? We had a similar discussion once. He told me that aikido made him "flow" more. Evading punches and things like that became easier for him and made his karate more effective because he could counter faster and better. He did not mix things up. He was still capable to separate the 2 arts without problems.
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Old 02-08-2006, 01:49 PM   #15
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I practice Karate and Aikijujutsu with Iaido. Aikijujutsu and Iaido complement very well but as of yet (I haven't been doing the first two very long) there has been no 'conflict' between techniques in Karate (Goju Kai) and the Aikijujutsu I'm learning.
If you enjoy Karate you should never quit it. However some very wise senpai have told me that you have to be careful about confusing techniques between the arts. If you can actually differentiate between them without getting confused (i.e. NOT going oh no is this a karate kamae or an aikijujutsu one?) then I believe you can handle them both. That said, there are many principles that overlap anyways.
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Old 02-08-2006, 04:15 PM   #16
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Hi, Im starting AikiJujutsu this week. I am also a member of a Karate club.
Should I quit the Karate club? Or is Karate and AikiJujutsu good? Hi Ryan,
A couple of things here ...
First, if you can keep two desperate arts separated in their techniques without allowing them to overlap, there should not be a problem. That being said, your sensei is really the one to discuss this with.

Second, be aware that "Aikijujutsu" and "Daito ryu" are the latest incarnation of the "ninja" craze of the eighties. In the 80's, it seemed like everyone was teaching some form of "ninjutsu" and everybody was jumping on the bandwagon with many arts of the same name that looked nothing like the original. The craze turned to the "samurai" arts in the 90's with anything "jujutsu" or "kenjutsu" being a big hit. Most of the so called "ninja" from the 80's hopped aboard the samurai wagon. Today, we have "aikijujutsu" and "Daito ryu" as the latest fad. While there are several decent schools of aikijutsu and Daito ryu is a legitimate school, that doesn't mean that everyone on this particular bandwagon is dealing from the top of the deck. I have heard of quite a few bogus individuals that use the proper buzz words to sell their own particular brand of .... stuff. Be sure and ask about credentials and find out where the instructor's authority to teach was granted. And don't sign contracts!

Cheers,
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Old 02-08-2006, 11:19 PM   #17
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If you know about the Takumakai branch of Daito Ryu (name of the orginisation I train at) you would maybe know of Shihan Takeshi Kawabe.
This man is high ranking in Takumakai and visits our Dojo for training.
Thanks everyone for the input.
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Old 02-09-2006, 01:03 PM   #18
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Very cool Ryan!
Takeshi Kawabe is one of the two head instructors in the Takumakai. That's some top notch aiki there! If it were me, I would do both for a while to determine if Daito Ryu is something that you wished to pursue. If it is, I'd go ahead and drop the karate. There are a couple thousand techniques in Daito Ryu, and you have access to some top notch instruction. That should be enough to occupy anyone for a lifetime!

Good luck!
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Old 02-10-2006, 05:04 AM   #19
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Personally I am quite content with the Takumakai curriculum.
Maybe in the years I would seek out ono-ha itto-ryu sword.
Which is why I posted the question about Kenjutsu and Kendo, because I was considerring taking up Kendo (as there is no ono-ha itto-ryu in Australia) for the timebeing because I believe there is some connection between Kendo and ono-ha itto-ryu. Even if it isnt, Kendo looks great (which bring me back to the kendo question). anyway...
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