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**alecoplesosse** · 10-13-2006, 04:44 PM

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Full-Tang-Acti...QQcmdZViewItem

surely that can't be right?

**Flieteewell** · 10-13-2006, 04:51 PM

It's a steak knife with a fancy package. Suitable for nothing but cutting lunchmeat, bread and cheese.

Can you tell it's too close to dinner?

**Stasher11** · 10-13-2006, 04:52 PM

I have a set of steak knives that look almost exactly like that..

edit: lol.. paikea beat me to it by 1 minute

**JessiPollo** · 10-13-2006, 04:52 PM

Dunno... but in the picture it certainly doesn't look like a real hamon on that sword.

**DoctorTentonyya** · 10-13-2006, 04:53 PM

I've had one.

Bag-O-Wank

Edit: I should say, this was before I knew anything and had yet to start any JSA

Oh, and it's 440 staimless with "CHINA" stamped on the blade.

**aideriimibion** · 10-13-2006, 04:55 PM

Don't call me Shirley.

**2swasseneons** · 10-13-2006, 04:57 PM

Ok Shirley

**BoboStin** · 10-13-2006, 04:59 PM

Right in what sense?
This what I call a "Budk" wallhanger.
http://budk.com/default.asp?sid=GOOGLE&eid=GL0000000002

Yes, it's metal.
It's got a full (vomit in my mouth as I write the word) ...Tang...
Shoelace fabric for the cords.
This "sword" (yecchh) has more in common with a cheap chef's knife that a katana, and that's being gracious.
There a probably a billion reasons why you should not buy this, and I mean this in a very constructive way, that if you are unsure of the quality by looking at it, I recommend you not purchase any other sharpened instruments.

if you like swords, but do not train in a Japanese sword art, there are many legitimate Japanese companies that make real swords of real quality, without a sharpened blade. (Not to be confused with Iaito, which you should also not buy unless you practice the art)
Rather, the sword I refer to are considered "Art swords" and fall into that category, Unsharpened, prized and collected for their Scabbards, Hilt work and General Construction, as an art piece, not for function.
If you are interested I can try to dig up some links.

On the other hand, if you want to buy a Wallhanger for "Backyard training."
You might want to seriously reconsider.
That's the best advice I can give on the subject, and I'm not really even qualified to do that.
Good luck.

**Optipitle** · 10-13-2006, 05:38 PM

i had cool shoe laces like that when i was in elementary school.

**Erexecike** · 10-13-2006, 07:18 PM

i had cool shoe laces like that when i was in elementary school.

Either that avatar gets weirder or the mushrooms I had at lunch were "funny".

**Kimeoffessyr** · 10-13-2006, 07:21 PM

Looks perfectly normal to me.

**Soulofpostar** · 10-13-2006, 07:34 PM

On the other hand, if you want to buy a Wallhanger for "Backyard training."
You might want to seriously reconsider.

Good luck.

hahaha, Might want to seriously reconsider?? That should read, "If you want to buy a wallhanger for "backyard training," don't. Unless you want to lose a finger or worse, or die... Your choice!

Those things are accidents waiting to happen... Well, so are good qualitry swords in the untrained hand, but those are far worse... yechhhhh...

Kaoru

**Immerymopay** · 10-13-2006, 07:39 PM

You should never have to pay for tang. Full or quickies. Should I refer you to the nice guys finish last thread?

**DrKirkNoliss** · 10-13-2006, 07:59 PM

You should never have to pay for tang. Full or quickies. Should I refer you to the nice guys finish last thread?

No my son, you always pay. The sooner you realize that the better off you will be.

**alskdjreyfd** · 10-13-2006, 08:02 PM

this reminds me of a sword my friend bought, when it arrived at his house he realized he had ordered little more than a letter opener.

pardon my lack of sword terminology, but isn't Tang a powdered orange beverage?

**AnetTeilor** · 10-13-2006, 08:22 PM

No my son, you always pay. The sooner you realize that the better off you will be.

Hehehe.. I knew this was coming. So very true.

**mrPronmaker** · 10-13-2006, 09:03 PM

hey i bought a sword before i started kendo, now i see i was really stupid, but i never asked anybody if it was a fair/bad sword, it is a cold steel sword, but i cant remember what series it was. It is sharpened and i used to do ninjering on the backyard, can someone tell me if it is a sword that i could use to practice or should i leave it as a wall hanger

**Rememavotscam** · 10-13-2006, 09:08 PM

The fact that you were able to afford it at all means that it's a wall hanger. I true shinken will run anywhere from $4000 and up for the blade alone.

**staisacic** · 10-13-2006, 10:23 PM

The fact that you were able to afford it at all means that it's a wall hanger. I true shinken will run anywhere from $4000 and up for the blade alone.

Not necessarily. You can get a sword meant for practice in the dojo for much less than that.

You know, there are several higher ups here who really know their stuff on shinken(Also can be referred to as a live blade, if I remember correctly.), and they can reply to this better than I can. But I do know you don't have to fork out $4000 for a live blade just to have a decent sword for practice.(As long as the sensei has approved a person having/being ready for one.)

Oh... and I just realised... Were you replying to Skull-leader's post just above yours? Because that's what I am referring to, if so.

Kaoru

**Deengealf** · 10-14-2006, 01:52 AM

hey i bought a sword before i started kendo, now i see i was really stupid, but i never asked anybody if it was a fair/bad sword, it is a cold steel sword, but i cant remember what series it was. It is sharpened and i used to do ninjering on the backyard, can someone tell me if it is a sword that i could use to practice or should i leave it as a wall hanger

get your sensei to check it out. if it is the right length, not too heavy etc. for you, it may be ok.
what are you wanting to use it for?
also, check out kaoru's why a wallhanger is dangerous thread in the iai section.
if the tang looks like the wallhanger in the picture-definately dont go swinging it

10-13-2006, 04:44 PM	#1
alecoplesosse Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 473 Senior Member	hmmm..whats the catch? http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Full-Tang-Acti...QQcmdZViewItem surely that can't be right? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-13-2006, 04:51 PM	#2
Flieteewell Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 397 Senior Member	It's a steak knife with a fancy package. Suitable for nothing but cutting lunchmeat, bread and cheese. Can you tell it's too close to dinner? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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Stasher11 Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 505 Senior Member	I have a set of steak knives that look almost exactly like that.. edit: lol.. paikea beat me to it by 1 minute Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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JessiPollo Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 420 Senior Member	Dunno... but in the picture it certainly doesn't look like a real hamon on that sword. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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DoctorTentonyya Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 453 Senior Member	I've had one. Bag-O-Wank Edit: I should say, this was before I knew anything and had yet to start any JSA Oh, and it's 440 staimless with "CHINA" stamped on the blade. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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aideriimibion Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 432 Senior Member	Don't call me Shirley. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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2swasseneons Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 385 Senior Member	Ok Shirley Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-13-2006, 04:59 PM	#8
BoboStin Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 376 Senior Member	Right in what sense? This what I call a "Budk" wallhanger. http://budk.com/default.asp?sid=GOOGLE&eid=GL0000000002 Yes, it's metal. It's got a full (vomit in my mouth as I write the word) ...Tang... Shoelace fabric for the cords. This "sword" (yecchh) has more in common with a cheap chef's knife that a katana, and that's being gracious. There a probably a billion reasons why you should not buy this, and I mean this in a very constructive way, that if you are unsure of the quality by looking at it, I recommend you not purchase any other sharpened instruments. if you like swords, but do not train in a Japanese sword art, there are many legitimate Japanese companies that make real swords of real quality, without a sharpened blade. (Not to be confused with Iaito, which you should also not buy unless you practice the art) Rather, the sword I refer to are considered "Art swords" and fall into that category, Unsharpened, prized and collected for their Scabbards, Hilt work and General Construction, as an art piece, not for function. If you are interested I can try to dig up some links. On the other hand, if you want to buy a Wallhanger for "Backyard training." You might want to seriously reconsider. That's the best advice I can give on the subject, and I'm not really even qualified to do that. Good luck. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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Optipitle Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 396 Senior Member	i had cool shoe laces like that when i was in elementary school. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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Erexecike Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 430 Senior Member	i had cool shoe laces like that when i was in elementary school. Either that avatar gets weirder or the mushrooms I had at lunch were "funny". Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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Kimeoffessyr Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 514 Senior Member	Looks perfectly normal to me. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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Soulofpostar Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 506 Senior Member	On the other hand, if you want to buy a Wallhanger for "Backyard training." You might want to seriously reconsider. Good luck. hahaha, Might want to seriously reconsider?? That should read, "If you want to buy a wallhanger for "backyard training," don't. Unless you want to lose a finger or worse, or die... Your choice! Those things are accidents waiting to happen... Well, so are good qualitry swords in the untrained hand, but those are far worse... yechhhhh... Kaoru Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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Immerymopay Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 492 Senior Member	You should never have to pay for tang. Full or quickies. Should I refer you to the nice guys finish last thread? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-13-2006, 07:59 PM	#14
DrKirkNoliss Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 476 Senior Member	You should never have to pay for tang. Full or quickies. Should I refer you to the nice guys finish last thread? No my son, you always pay. The sooner you realize that the better off you will be. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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alskdjreyfd Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 481 Senior Member	this reminds me of a sword my friend bought, when it arrived at his house he realized he had ordered little more than a letter opener. pardon my lack of sword terminology, but isn't Tang a powdered orange beverage? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-13-2006, 08:22 PM	#16
AnetTeilor Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 518 Senior Member	No my son, you always pay. The sooner you realize that the better off you will be. Hehehe.. I knew this was coming. So very true. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-13-2006, 09:03 PM	#17
mrPronmaker Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 609 Senior Member	hey i bought a sword before i started kendo, now i see i was really stupid, but i never asked anybody if it was a fair/bad sword, it is a cold steel sword, but i cant remember what series it was. It is sharpened and i used to do ninjering on the backyard, can someone tell me if it is a sword that i could use to practice or should i leave it as a wall hanger Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-13-2006, 09:08 PM	#18
Rememavotscam Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 500 Senior Member	The fact that you were able to afford it at all means that it's a wall hanger. I true shinken will run anywhere from $4000 and up for the blade alone. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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staisacic Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 457 Senior Member	The fact that you were able to afford it at all means that it's a wall hanger. I true shinken will run anywhere from $4000 and up for the blade alone. Not necessarily. You can get a sword meant for practice in the dojo for much less than that. You know, there are several higher ups here who really know their stuff on shinken(Also can be referred to as a live blade, if I remember correctly.), and they can reply to this better than I can. But I do know you don't have to fork out $4000 for a live blade just to have a decent sword for practice.(As long as the sensei has approved a person having/being ready for one.) Oh... and I just realised... Were you replying to Skull-leader's post just above yours? Because that's what I am referring to, if so. Kaoru Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-14-2006, 01:52 AM	#20
Deengealf Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 523 Senior Member	hey i bought a sword before i started kendo, now i see i was really stupid, but i never asked anybody if it was a fair/bad sword, it is a cold steel sword, but i cant remember what series it was. It is sharpened and i used to do ninjering on the backyard, can someone tell me if it is a sword that i could use to practice or should i leave it as a wall hanger get your sensei to check it out. if it is the right length, not too heavy etc. for you, it may be ok. what are you wanting to use it for? also, check out kaoru's why a wallhanger is dangerous thread in the iai section. if the tang looks like the wallhanger in the picture-definately dont go swinging it Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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