[Ekrbcbvh]

Looked closer and discovered that the petition linked in the original post was started by Pedro, who also started this thread. Why he felt like he should start his own petition when there is already one linked to the video with 91,000 signatures on it, I don't know.

well, as long as something is being done and done at a rate "loud" enough to be noticed. I can rest my case. thank for all the effort,

[DiatryDal]

Thousands of men, women and children are massacred wholesale in various parts of the world each day.
Where's the petition against that?
I guess dolphins are cuter than humans.

[ImapFidaarram]

I have problems with people killing animals like that... yes we eat cows and what not, but the killing of our food is generally quick and relatively painless. Suffering is a terrible thing and those who think it isn't... well obviously you've never stood and watched something die horribly.

I'd have no problem with killing a dolphin if they did it quickly, aside from the fact eventually they'll kill them all and then we can add another species to the list of animals wiped off the face of the planet by humans.

Massacre of humans could actually be justified... Look at some policies that exist such as clubbing baby seals due too population control... shooting kangaroo's over here is done for the same reason... who keeps the human population under control?? think about it, humans have grown to massive numbers and in doing so are killing and destroying much of the world....

[AngelinaTheElf]

I'm sure if you search for it you can find one. If you are that concerned, start your own petition and thread.
Dolphins don't destroy everything around them, I for one would like to keep them around.

* EDIT: Meant for Kenzan

[fashikn]

Soylent green is my kind of people!

Gives new meaning to the expression
"she looks good enough to eat"

[Yarmark]

I have problems with people killing animals like that... yes we eat cows and what not, but the killing of our food is generally quick and relatively painless. ....

Yep the killing is quick, but large animals (cows, pigs, sheep) are shipped by the truckload and trainload to the slaughterhouse and guess what ?
They can smell blood, they can hear the other closer animals, they do know full well what is happening.
and
Sometimes it is one or two * * DAYS * * before it is their turn.
Think about it.

and yes, no argument from me on the population control, locusts.

[proslaviy]

I guess dolphins are cuter than humans.

yes they are, and plus they can't say mean things in language that you'd understand. unless of course, you speak "dolphin-ese". hahahahaha

as for the massacre of people, well that's a different ball game entirely. in the eyes of the general public, (globally) politics, religion, love, and some other things are all better reason to kill than "food source" i suppose. don't flame me people, i am not saying i am right, or wrong. just speaking my mind.

[mdUzAMbG]

Did see a documentary where dolphins attacked and killed other dolphins.
Not so cute side

[Sadsidioribre]

I'm sure if you search for it you can find one. If you are that concerned, start your own petition and thread.
Dolphins don't destroy everything around them, I for one would like to keep them around.

* EDIT: Meant for Kenzan

I am simply stating that I think there's a disparity in priorities.
It's a bit hard to get riled up about Dolphins or Seal Pups getting killed when there's other humans getting killed horribly to consider first.
-All this save the whales, dolphins, rainforest, etc..stuff while fashionable and P.C., almost never leads to a satisfying conclusion.

Now let's just accept the fact that neither humans, nor whales, or the artic shelf or any other Greenpeace prop piece crap will be saved, and what is more true is that the Earth and everything on it is headed for the big, oily plastic container in the sky, because the honest truth is, our population will ourgrow our ability to produce resources to sustain it, and I don't see anyone jumping in line to be "thinned out". In fact, the vast majority of people are mostly apathetic to these types of situations, and it is only when the problem affects them directly do they get involved. I think that signing a petition isn't going to do it.
Yes, it's logically and ethically wrong to kill Dolphins.
But someone is doing it because there's money in it somewhere.
It might be fair to sat that the solution to these types of things is always the same:
Hit them in the wallet. Only then will they stop.
~as George Carlin once said, "The Earth don't need savin', WE DO!" and the Earth has always got a way of thinning out overpopulated species, and if anyone is ripe for the thinnin', it's us.

[education]

It is my theory that most humans are motivated to act by only two things, fear and greed. The commercial fisherman will fish until there are no fish left because of the greed. When it gets down to the finish line and they realize that their ways spell doom for us all perhaps fear will kick in and they will do the right thing before it is too late.

Hutus vs. Tsutsi, Sunni vs. Shiite, Japanese vs. Barbarians, Chinese vs. Barbaians, Arabe vs. Jews, Black vs. White. . .fear and greed. Until we learn to move beyond that we are nothing but a bunch of monkeys.

However, if you hate your neighbor and he hates you and you try to kill each other, that is bad but, unless you have nukes, there is only so much damage you can do to the planet. If you disrupt the food chain in the ocean it is curtains for us all.

p.s. kenzan you might take some time to look into Thomas Malthus whose theory on population was pretty much what you set forth, that the population will outstrip the natural resources. His reasoning was flawed from the get go.

[ruforumczspam]

I don't think it will make any difference but it's not going to hurt me any by signing it.

[gariharlj]

Excellent logic demonstrated here. There are genocides going on in the world, so why should we care about a relatively minor injustice like someone murdering your family? Let's stop braying like asses when someone exhibits an interest in a cause that is not sufficiently important for you. I could understand some frustration if signing this petition excluded you from supporting any other cause, but I'm gonna go ahead and assume that isn't the case, m'kay?

As Dr. King said, "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere." People seem to think that he knew a thing or two on this topic, so I'll throw in with him on this one. Or do some of us claim to be so righteous that we can criticise someone trying to make a positive difference in the world? And if you feel that I'm "force feeding" you my opinions, then you're too damn sensitive for kendo.

[dahlilaninfo]

p.s. kenzan you might take some time to look into Thomas Malthus whose theory on population was pretty much what you set forth, that the population will outstrip the natural resources. His reasoning was flawed from the get go.

A cursory glance at the material you provided makes it obvious that further investigation on the subject it merited. (On my part)
It appears that at the very least, multitudes of unknown variables are at play, rather than a simply a static equation.

[gardeniyas]

Yep the killing is quick, but large animals (cows, pigs, sheep) are shipped by the truckload and trainload to the slaughterhouse and guess what ?
They can smell blood, they can hear the other closer animals, they do know full well what is happening.
and
Sometimes it is one or two * * DAYS * * before it is their turn.
Think about it.

You are right they do get treated roughly, but they are not physically injured and in pain during this time unless they suffer a fall or are trampled. We often see the trucks heading down to the port here carrying sheep, most of the cattle go elsewhere.... yes mentally they suffer but what animal about to die doesn't? one to two days is better then the years american murders spend on death row.

Regardless, my points were
a) simply that if we are to kill animals it is best they are killed quickly and painlessly. What is shown in that clip is neither quick or painless.
b) most people don't care what happens to things they can't see in front of them.

[BenWired306]

It is time to raise the poinient questiion, is killingt another form of life, regardless of thier highly evolved state of being, acceptable? Appartently, MIGHT IS RIGHT...But, if the victims are perhaps equal or superior to our awareness? Do they feel the same level of pain and anguish our own Mothers, Fathers, Sisters, Brothers and Cousins might experience...can we simply puke out sarcastic remarks? I am fully aware that very few human beings have spent any time researching the species we call dolphins, (Hell, we can hardly stop the clock long enough to have a single moment of objective clarity about any given subject.) Funny, what kind of fool am I, to think that those who practice the Way of the Sword would fail to see the paralel we face as sentient beings. Frankly, we all are subject to the advance of the Machine. Those who object are considered radicals, bleeding hearts, dreamers. Those who dopishly comply...oh, those are the many who choose to close thier minds to the obvious. Genocide is wrong! Dolphins aren't cows. Thier intellligence may be far above ours. Kendoka aren't oblivious to right choice, to informed consideratiion, and to compassion towards other life forms of advanced awareness. Let's put our swords down, for a brief moment, and LOOK AT THESE IMAGES! When one individual chooses to open thier eyes, other individuals might catch-the-buzz to do so as well.
Thanks, guys, for the open forum...have you ever looked into the beautiful eyes of a dolphin? I have. This is XXXXXING wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !

Yours in Martial Spirit, Jon Palombi

[toponlinecasinoer]

(Hell, we can hardly stop the clock long enough to have a single moment of objective clarity about any given subject.)

Apart from your spelling.

[User-Luser]

how come we only want to save the cute animals?
we have no problems poisoning, shooting, and sometimes torturing insects(unless its a butterfly), rats, and other "virmin". but when its a cudly cat, a cute puppy, people are throwing fits everywhere if you do as much as pull their tail.
people moan about the dolphins getting caught in all the tunafishers nets. but what about all the tunafish that gets caught in them? would you go moaning and bitching about it if some tunas would get caught in dolphinfishers nets? the human race is so incredibly superficial, that its not even funny anymore.
Besides, i couldnt live without my dolphinskin Ito on my iaito not to mention the superb shinaiscrapers their teeth make!

and what are you?
-a dolphin
How cute, you're free to go
and what are you?
-a beaver
How cute, you eat using your little human hands on your tummy!, go then, enjoy yourself!
And what are you?
-a cow.
Get on the fucking truck pal!

ps: inspiration by the great dennis leary, no cure for cancer

[slimfifa]

Genocide is wrong! Dolphins aren't cows. Thier intellligence may be far above ours.

so wether or not a living being is worthy of life itself, you decide by intelligence. you mention dolphins feel pain and such, does not a cow feel pain when you cut of his leg? wont he be screaming and panicing all over? if you cut his throut, dont get get splattered by his blood?

if I stretch out your theory to a bit more extreme, how about retarded/handicapped humans who perhaps have the intelligence of a cow. bring on the genocide? or are their little wheelchairs and dribbeling drool to cute?

[loikrso]

if I stretch out your theory to a bit more extreme, how about retarded/handicapped humans who perhaps have the intelligence of a cow. bring on the genocide? or are their little wheelchairs and dribbeling drool to cute?

There's an Australian bioethicist/philosopher called Peter Singer who says just that. Right to life is based on the ability to anticipate the future, which he says some animals have and some people don't.
He was also behind the Great Ape movement, trying to get the UN to recognise great apes as people...

[StoyaFanst]

He was also behind the Great Ape movement, trying to get the UN to recognise great apes as people...

I know some people who could easily be mistaken for great apes. If they are not careful someone may kill them and turn their hands into ashtrays. I would then weep and petition my cause to a bunch of idiots on the internet, then I would crack open a few beers and watch them argue.
Thermo-nuclear war is the answer. If we are going to do it, let's do it our way! Blaze of glory baby!

I am not right in the head today so for all of those having trouble I give you Skub