[Tamawaipsemek]

Good luck!!


I think I'm going to go for the 1000/1000 once i get shodan.

[SnareeWer]

I did it once for around 6 months but not everyday, i mixed it with attacking practice.
masahiro is right : 1000 suburi one time
What i have done is do it in 10 session (100 each) with 3 minutes rest between each session. though after 5 session i rest abit longer though

but this kind, works for me. A lot

psya i mix suburi men, suburi kote, suburi do and saiyumen.about 200 each

have fun mukdo

[newspetty]

I did it once for around 6 months but not everyday, i mixed it with attacking practice.

What do you mean by attacking practice?

[vNZsk39B]

OK, for those of you who must do this 1000/1000. I have a suggested method of doing this ( I just remembered how my teacher used to train us - it was a long time ago ).

1. Try 10 first, then 20, 30 till you reach 100. Then 90, 80, 70 till back to 10. By this, you'd suburi exactly 1,000 times but with short a break in between and are gradually warming up your arms and shoulders instead of shocking them into a possible injury.
2. If at all acceptable, make this every other day instead of everyday. Any exercise expert will agree that your body needs a rest to become stronger. Continuos fatique without rest in between may not be the best way to achieve what you want ( become stronger )..

Relaxed Center

[wooclosmercob]

Inoue sensei was over in Italy last week. One of the things he mentioned at the seminar was that you should do suburi every day. He was doing 1000 a day while preparing hachidan. From what I could understand at the seminar, the idea with suburi had very little to do with strength per se. The objective was to crystallize one's technique. He is a very strong believer in delivering each blow as THE winning blow. It should be as close to a perfect kihon strike as possible regardless of whether one is practicing in jigeiko or competing in shiai.

[VardyCodarexyz]

Attacking Practice means you dont do just suburi, but doing full men attack. Complete with kiai, kensen, Men/Kote/Do, and Ashi Sabaiki and Zanshin.

Hope you get what i mean.Forgive my lack of term:P what is the term anyway?

The objective was to crystallize one's technique. He is a very strong believer in delivering each blow as THE winning blow. It should be as close to a perfect kihon strike as possible regardless of whether one is practicing in jigeiko or competing in shiai.

i can't agree more

[carpartsho]

In the beggining of such suburi practice, only what is important is not to quit. It would be wise to do less than 1000,in order like Karaken suggested. After few months when suburi become part of normal life than kenshi is ready to practice "for real". That means 1000 suburi + practice, 1000 suburi+sickness, 1000 suburi+normall day duties at job and at home. But it is not good if such practice become burdon . For that reason and the fact that high level kenshi said that it is good to crystalize own technique, it would be good doing that excersize under supervision of the sensei, or do it with good understanding of kihon.
I learned a lot about myself and mine mistakes. The fact that I am injured reveal the truth about my bad technique and wrong approach to these excersize.

[StizePypemype]

What is the point?

right away the story of this guy was not about kendo, it was about himself..

Which is why it *was* about kendo.

[phinno13]

Sorry to read you had to stop. 1000 days is no easy task, that's nearly 3 years. I wouldn't worry about doing 1000 consecutive days, you can just keep track of the days you do them, and try to reach 1000 days. It may take you a little longer, but it's a more realistic goal for you now. Or you can just set your goals to keep on practicing for the next 1000 days, even that will be a bigger accomplishment than most beginners. When you do set out to do 1000, try to do as many of them as you can before you have to stop. I can usually knock out 1000 in about 15-20 minutes. This way you will find more time to work on other things in your life. Good luck with this in 2007.

[griddle]

You're saying he stoped because he stoped posting here or am i missing something?

[V8V8V8]

You're saying he stoped because he stoped posting here or am i missing something?

No, he said so in his journal.

[replrobin]

As the author of the Kendo Suburi Diary I wanted to give some advice on this exercise.

If I was a school or university student considering starting, then I would't do it. I think at this stage of life your time is better spent disciplining yourself with study.

If I was just starting out in kendo [first 10 years], I wouldn't do it. The time is better spent following your instructors and picking up their good habits.

I doubt if anyone who has done kendo for more than 10 years would benefit from my advice.

I agree substantially with the comments Alan Molstad made, with one exception. You are always welcome at my house for beer.

[baritkello]

I have been doing 1000 suburi/day recently. I don't do it for personal development or technical development but simply to 'stay in touch'. As I've become used to the amount physically I have changed how I do the sequence. For instance in the beginning I did 10 x 100 suburi. Now I do 1000 non-stop, including 400-600 katate suburi. If I'm feeling energetic or masochistic or both I'll finish off with hayasuburi.

The hardest part is the counting. After that, the hardest part is getting over the hump betwen 300 and 400.

This is what I've found makes counting easier. I always do 100 x straight + 100 x diagonal, or 100 x left + 100 x right in whatever technique I have chosen. That means in essence I only have to count 5 sets of 200, e.g. 1st set (100 x jogeburi + 100 x nanameburi) + 2nd set (100 x shomen + 100 x sayumen) + 3rd set (100 x hidari katate shomen + 100 x migi katate sho men) + 4th set (100 x hidari katate sayumen + 100 x migi katate sayumen) + 5th set (100 x hayasuburi shomen + 100 x hayasuburi sayumen) = 1000. Broken up this way I find I get to the end quite quickly. The more often and regularly I do it, the more internalised the counting becomes. If I get lost I have a rule that I add 20 suburi onto where I thought I was in the count.

I don't feel it's any big deal. I do it as regularly as I can, but I also try not to beat myself up about it if I miss a day or two. At bottom, I feel like this is the least I must do if I am to get anywhere near where I want to go in kendo.

b

[onelovemp]

200 katate men, in a row? goodness ben, how big is your fore arm?

[JohnVK]

200 katate men, in a row? goodness ben, how big is your fore arm?

When I was a considering switching to jodan, I spent some time doing everything in class katate, or as much as I could. So a standard warmup of maybe 250 or so including jogeburi, shomenuchi, sayumen. It varies from class to class - I think one time I ended up doing around 500 in a row. The hard bit was hayasuburi, I found I had to choke up on the tsuka and even then I had to slow down.

Single-handed kirikaeshi is a good way to let you know how much control you have. If you can keep it crisp and not let your partner's blocks screw you up, you're doing OK.

Last time I tried to do a session like that, my forearm was sore for a week or two afterward - probably some minor muscle tears. So be careful out there!

[brorwargy]

Yes you do have to be careful. I have built up to this, I haven't gone into it trying to be a he-man. That's the way to get sidelined by injury. As I get older injury has become one of my main opponents. Injuries and time.

I don't have huge forearms at all. I'm genetically endomorphic, which means short of going on the juice, I'll always be weedy. But I'll let you in on a secret: doing katate men is a great way to pace yourself during 1000 suburi. If my technnique is suffering badly from lactic acid build-up, I switch to katate with the other hand for 10, 20 or 50. Also, then going back to morote suburi the shinai feels incredibly light.

This is how I do, as they say.

b

[PolPitasc]

If my technnique is suffering badly from lactic acid build-up, I switch to katate

b

A bit off topic, but
probably like many active people, It was always drilled into my head regarding physical training of the whole lactic acid buildup thing.
This is an interesting article that talks about what is now perceived in some circles as the "myth" of lactic acid buildup., in that it is actually fuel, rather than waste.
Very interesting.

Lactic acid buildup myth?

Additional link

[flowersnewaho]

to Neil: see, I always thought that in order to do a lot (say 100 and more) of katate strikes, you'll invariably have to have good forearm and delts muscle tone. I remember watching a korean documentary posted by one of the members (i think it was bullet) on here about a one handed kendo player that played hidari katate jodan. The guy's forearm was the size of my calve. hahahaha. I was unaware that you had spend time seriously contemplating in becoming a full time jodan player. Why didn't you? Do you still play in jodan once in a while? I guess it's just not your cup of tea? I've been trying to do katate kirikaeshi for sometime now, and I am ashamed to say it's very hard for me to do it with a shinai with the kote on. in any case, I am glad to hear your experience. Thank you.

to Ben, I've recently started doing the whole 1000 suburi bits as well. and the way I do it is I start with 100 joge with my regular bokken, (medium weight) and then switch to suburito somewhere around 400 to 600 and then i'll continue with the suburito till 800 or so and then switch to shinai. That way i can make sure i have the right grip, and not excessive stength in my strikes.(well that's my theory at least).

to Kenzan, actually the article is a bit misleading. I wont go into the details,and i am not saying the author or you is wrong. But, in short the muscle ache you may experience after a partculary tough work out is still the result of lactate build up. Maybe the lactid acid isn't what's making your muscle sore, u get my point.

[sigrekatonov]

(i think it was bullet).

correction, it was rainmaker who posted the vid. thanks rainmaker.

[GinaGomesz]

Masahiro, while I don't have huge forearms, I am a reasonably strong guy and I do believe that you need some muscle for katate-waza.

I do still occasionally play from jodan. I gave up full-time practice for a few reasons. First, my sensei is a pure chudan player, and so although he has been helpful, I think I need a more specialist teacher. Second, I am pretty isolated here and have a lot of teaching responsibilities. Playing jodan isn't too helpful to my club, other than occasionally letting them have some experience against it. Finally, and most importantly, I still feel I have a long way to go yet with my chudan kendo.