[xFZ3k8Mw]

I have adifferent understanding of tenouchi but I don´t feel capable of explaining this in english, it´s quite complicated and I don´t consider myself clear on this as I don´t know how to read kanji, but I´ve discussed this many times with different senseis and they agree on the explanation, I find it to be quite different to what tenouchi is meant when mentioned on this forum anyway.

[envenonearo]

We DON'T ever hit each other in our paired kata. Not on purpose. Praveens-san said his teacher wanted to be hit.

Yere we could haver read his comment differently. If Praveens teacher want him to connect that not the best move.

re: tenouchi and pulling and as Kaoru aluded to.
I have dumbed down the use of kendo termonoligy on the assumption that Praveens wouldn't understand what I was saying. "Tenouchi" has more meaning that the word "pulling". When explaining Tenouchi other descriptive work are used as well like Snap, Focus, Wringing, etc

[Rupeviv]

Praveens, what's the name of the sword art you're being taught?

[D6Ri5u13]

"I also have a questions about swordsmenship....is there a way to take out the opponent in an instant? If you use your draw as a major attack wouldn't you be left open to a direct attack? Also have any of you been in a state where you are forced to attack?..In self defense of course."

Sounds like Iai to me

"We DON'T ever hit each other in our paired kata. Not on purpose. Praveens-san said his teacher wanted to be hit."

Maybe we're misinterpreting this. I remember once my teacher was in front of me while I was practicing tsuka ate and he decided that I wasn't putting enough feeling in, so he sat down in front of me and told me to try and hit him with the initial ate. He was ready for it of course and he didn't actually desire me to hit him but he wanted me to feel like I was going to. Similarly in Karate (yeeeears back) I was doing... kumite is it? The paired blocking/attacking thing, and I'd started to aim my punches where he was blocking them instead of my target. He noticed this and asked me to try and hit him. of course he was quick enough that I never could but thats what he said. Is that in any way applicable?

[CindyLavender]

We DON'T ever hit each other in our paired kata. Not on purpose. Praveens-san said his teacher wanted to be hit.

I might have read the posts in a bit of a hurry, but where does it say that his teacher wanted to be hit, as in sword connecting with body?
As I read it, the teacher either wanted him to cut at him but stop before contact, or try to hit him in order to make him be able to carry out a specific technique.

As you already might be aware of, kendo no kata requires that you actually try to hit your opponent in order for the kata to work.

[dWSOj26H]

I'm sorry to say, but you aren't really learning real kendo or any other Japanese sword art. We NEVER attack each other with a bokken(or a real sword, for that matter, to clarify things.) in any Japanese sword art. Not even in our kata. We don't actually touch a person. We don't want to kill or maim anyone.

IMNSHO, the guy is crazy for WANTING you to hit him with a bokken. Is he asking to DIE?? Or, at the very least, sustain a serious injury?

Seriously, the guy is totally out of line, and it's painfully obvious now, that he's not a real sword instructor. Next thing you know, he'll be wanting to hit YOU!

So, please, I'm begging you, let me find you a real teacher!

Erm.... Kaoru, you might want to be a little less, erm.... vociferous in your condemnation of Praveen's sensei. It's quite possible that Praveen is unable to communicate clearly what his sensei required of him.

[pkxlugbsbv]

And for Drew's next trick he will tell the tide to stop!

[Noilemaillilm]

And for Drew's next trick he will tell the tide to stop!

That bad, huh?

[lollypop]

Kaoru: From what I've read, Praveens has never stated he does kendo, iai or any of the sword arts in which you seem to have authority.
To talk about his sensei like that when you don't even know what art he's doing is just plain rude.

I really think you need to do something about your dogamtic, black and white attitude. Things like 'we never do this in any Japanese sword art'. There's no reason why people should have to conform to your ideas of what is 'legit', and just because you don't have experience of something doesn't mean it is wrong.

Once you have more experience in every aspect of Japanese sword arts, then you can probably criticise. Until then you come accross amazingly arrogant.

[Rememavotscam]

Praveens, what's the name of the sword art you're being taught?

I learn Iai but i am still a begginer

[Discus]

I might have read the posts in a bit of a hurry, but where does it say that his teacher wanted to be hit, as in sword connecting with body?
As I read it, the teacher either wanted him to cut at him but stop before contact, or try to hit him in order to make him be able to carry out a specific technique.

As you already might be aware of, kendo no kata requires that you actually try to hit your opponent in order for the kata to work.

He wanted me to pull back his hit but I still didn't like the fact of useing a wepon.....

[dogdesign]

"And for Drew's next trick he will tell the tide to stop!"

Wasn't that originally a demonstration of piety, as in he knew the tide wouldn't stop but he wanted to shut his syncophants up?

"He wanted me to pull back his hit but I still didn't like the fact of useing a wepon....."

Bokken or Iaito? I know what you mean if it was an Iaito, I get real uncomfortable using near other people, but if its a bokken... well we are supposed to be learning to use a sword against someone.

[SkapySisy]

Personally, I think some people should master proper English grammar before the sword.

[tipokot]

I learn Iai but i am still a begginer

Ok, don't want it to sound like an interogation but what is the name of your dojo, some members here might recognise it and based on that, answer your questions more to the point.

[Qvqnubpj]

Holy $h!t, this is one very confusing thread. First, praveens, may I suggest that you use a spelling check when you post, Your spelling is even worse than mine. I not attacking you, I just have some serious problems reading your posts.

Ok, let's give it a try. I'll start at the beginning of the thread and work my way up. A little back ground here (I hate it when newbie’s don't take the time to fill in their public profile). What are the MA that you practice? Also, are you wielding a live blade or an iaito? Next are you practicing sword to sword, or bokken vs bokken? Some one suggested ninjutsu, I'm not a ninjutsu fan and a serious non-believer. Just don't go there, If some one says they teach ninjutsu, it's BS. Budo Tai Jutsu (Hatsumi) or any of the X-kan groups claim some connection to ninjutsu, but so far I haven't been convinced.

I agree with Kaoru here, you sensei isn't described as regular JSA practitioner, but that might be because of the confusing posts, could you give us some more background info on his JSA/MA history, name, grade, name of the school, ryu, etc.

So you do Ju Jutsu? Some one should have told you that disarming a swordsman must be a last resort measure, a skilled swordsman is very dangerous and almost impossible to disarm. Striking first makes surviving an encounter with a swordsman a lot more plausible.

But Don't get me wrong I am not totally disagreeing with you, swords do make me feel the shivers...and put me in at a disatvantage.

That's the whole idea of owning a sword in the good ol'days

k and need some advice. I prefer jujutsu but my brother told me that I should try swordsmenship.

Go and find a dojo then, we internet warriors agree on on thing: Proper swordsmanship can only be learned at a legit dojo with proper instructions.

just a question not really related to this topic but when I first looked at these forums I saw a guy by the name of kenshin himura, I think. He was talking about a reverseblade katana and he seemed to copy an anime....does he still post?

If he still does, avoid him, reversed blades are BS

I also have a questions about swordsmenship....is there a way to take out the opponent in an instant?

That's what iai is for

If you use your draw as a major attack wouldn't you be left open to a direct attack?

Not if you do it right

Also have any of you been in a state where you are forced to attack?..In self defense of course.

No, I try to avoid street fights and up north we are allowed to carry swords in public, it tends to get you shot by the local police force. In kendo and kenjutsu there are some tricks to fool your opponent into attacking you first, but you have to be very good to pull of without getting hit.

That's about it. This is one very confusing thread. I hope it will make some sense... soon

[Lapsinuibense]

"and he seemed to copy an anime"
Ah! Theres the problem right there
"If you use your draw as a major attack wouldn't you be left open to a direct attack?"
Are you talking about that bit where kenshin resheathes his sword to take advantage of saya banare? Noone actually does that as far as I know. Drawing cuts are so you don't have to walk around with your sword in your hand the whole time. Also see furikiburi.

[wrenjmerg]

I hereby declare that we made some progress as far as tolerance is concerned
The record of post counts before anvils start raining was by far broken

[smifatv]

Scott UK hasn't even said anything

[JonnLeejsp]

Scott UK hasn't even said anything

We tied him up