[sbrpkkl]

There are two components of fencing and kendo that are the same.
1. Both are martial arts involving a sword fighting.
2. Both have beginners who buy the most expensive equipment possible to be a big-fat show-off and get ticked-off when they lose because they suck and wished that their superior equipment would have helped in winning.

[Immonnaornach]

Kendo by nature has much less stategic development than Fencing. The rules of Kendo do not allow for the development of distance for the purpose of timing techniques such as stop hits, feints, retreating in order to draw your opponent in closer for a quick reversal and attack.

Please explain this statement because I don't understand what you're talking about. There is such a thing as match strategy in kendo. And it is possible to learn during the course of a match, in particular with regards to distance. Furthermore, one does feint, retreat and draw in your opponents in kendo.

I don't understand the distinction that you are trying to make.

[Inettypofonee]

I've done some of the shinai vs. sabre type of game. Our olympic style fencing club has developed "electric kendo" with european fencing rules. I personally hooked up in full electric sabre kit with electric shinai and went against my best sabre student and got shreded. Superior footwork and a light as a whip sabre did me in. So what do you guys think of "electric kendo?

[GlictStiply]

Hey, lighten up Rich. You just came off as a tight-ass. It might not go unnoticed.

[FelikTen]

chill out dude...

anyways...this debate has been done to death on this forum. Once again the question falls to how do you score? as well as that, what about taiatari? Kendo has more physical contact...

[WhileKelf]

This question again?...anyway. Fencing and kendo are two completely different styles. Who would win? It depends completely on the skill of the fencer/kendoka.

[QqJamxqP]

Perfect example of why real names in sigs should be required.

whats the point in having names in sigs? so you could find me one day and kill me?

[Nmoitmzr]

I saw someone with a "kendo vs fencing" picture and it seemed rather interesting to me.

I was wondering who do YOU think would win?

Heres what ive got so far..
Fencing Pros: 1. lighter, more flexible sabre, allowing attack from unexpected angles.
Kendo Pros: 1. More damage potential. 2. heavier shinai wouldnt be blockable with the flimsy sabre.

There was an article online i saw about "Samurai vs. Ranaissance Rapierist" That gave me some more insights into benefits and pitfalls of both sides... your opinions??

[Zenunlild]

yeah i agree its hard to compare the two, when talking about two arts its hard to say completely one is superior over the other. Hey but its kendo vs fencing, of course we would own those bouncing fags, they should join ballet.

[CoallyPax]

Kendo does not utilise space that much.

I just returned from what is essentially the Nat'l Kumdo Championships in Denver (250+ participants - The Bong Rim Gi) and I couldn't disagree more. Kendo uses space differently. In kendo, one cannot fleche off the court and lose nothing. In fencing, you cannot stay on the piste and move past your opponent. In most bouts the entire court was used; which is rare, for instance, in an epee bout.

Both arts depend on distance and timing: while the weapons and the rules create variables that defy reasonable comparison.

[Eeaquzyh]

So we would know who you are and be able to associate a real person with the things they write. Do you have a problem being associated with what you write?

I agree Paikea.

[AAAESLLESO]

Perfect example of why real names in sigs should be required.

Especially with some of these kids who get flamed out of the forums and come back with a new name the next day.

But then again, they would just come up with pseudonyms. I guess the September that never ended is still going on.

[SnareeWer]

hey john we got the same last names.

[prowsnobswend]

whats the point in having names in sigs? so you could find me one day and kill me?

So we would know who you are and be able to associate a real person with the things they write. Do you have a problem being associated with what you write?

[Hujkmlopes]

I have both fenced and I practice kendo. The distinction I am trying to make would be hard to understand by anyone who has not fenced. Kendo of course has nuki waza and uses a lot of timing. Kendo however has very specific rules about how a target should be hit. In fencing points are scored regardless of whether the technique is delivered in good form with all the concerns that kendo has. I will give an example to try to clarify my point. In kendo one never really backs up beyond maybe a step, in fencing you may retreat many steps. This retreat could vary in speed and gait to throw off your opponents timing or sense of distance. This could be used to execute a stop thrust. This ideally is performed in the middle of the beat of your opponents rhythym to strike the opponent in mid step when he can neither attack or defend. Their are many techniques in fencing that utilise this sense of space. Kendo does not utilise space that much.

[iNYZgxNC]

I have both fenced and I practice kendo. The distinction I am trying to make would be hard to understand by anyone who has not fenced. Kendo of course has nuki waza and uses a lot of timing. Kendo however has very specific rules about how a target should be hit. In fencing points are scored regardless of whether the technique is delivered in good form with all the concerns that kendo has. I will give an example to try to clarify my point. In kendo one never really backs up beyond maybe a step, in fencing you may retreat many steps. This retreat could vary in speed and gait to throw off your opponents timing or sense of distance. This could be used to execute a stop thrust. This ideally is performed in the middle of the beat of your opponents rhythym to strike the opponent in mid step when he can neither attack or defend. Their are many techniques in fencing that utilise this sense of space. Kendo does not utilise space that much.

Firstly, I retreat many steps when doing jigeiko. Although...it may not be for "strategic" purposes. Aside from a stop thrust (which I assume is some form of attack? Sorry, I don't know anything about fencing...) the second bolded selection sounds like a a pretty good kendo technique to me. I'm not exactly sure what you mean by kendo and kendoka not utilizing space much, because I've seen videos of some matches in which the entire area is covered before a few minutes.

[huedaanydrax]

Very dangerous. The fencer will poke the kendoka in the eye... Though I would imagine alot of accidents because of different rules and swords Er, isn't it kind of obvious the the Kendoka would wear Fencing armour and the Fencer would wear Bogu.

[EmpaccalGah]

It is truly difficult to compare Fencing and Kendo. They are both Martial Sports but they play by different rules. Kendo by nature has much less stategic development than Fencing. The rules of Kendo do not allow for the development of distance for the purpose of timing techniques such as stop hits, feints, retreating in order to draw your opponent in closer for a quick reversal and attack. On the other hand Kendo has much more technical precision, aggressiveness, body contact. The question is whose set of rules would we play by. Clearly, if by Kendo rules the Fencer wouldn't have a chance. Fencing rules would clearly favor the Fencer. If the Kendoka forgot his perfect Kendo and played a little more like Kenjutsu, not worrying about following through or striking only selected targets, then it could go either way. I believe against a sabre Fencer the Kendoka would be a clear favorite. Against the epee or foil Fencer the Kendoka would be an underdog. An epee or a foil is a very fast point thrust weapon which attack in ways unfamiliar to Kendo. The epee has the hand as one of its prime targets it would be difficult for a Kendoka to protect his hands from attack. To make statements such as 1 DO strike would end it is a bit foolish, wouldn't both participants be wearing proper protection against their opponents weapon. If not, then the Kendoka may be beyond the need of an ambulance when an epee thrust is delivered to his eye straight through the wide grates of his Men. A fencing mask is made to prevent this and the face is a valid target in epee fencing. In many ways this is like asking the old question; Who would win a Wrestler or a Boxer?

[sportlife]

alrite im sorry, sometimes i have a tendency of crude joke. however i understand, they may not appeal to some of the older audiences and others who have more prim and proper behaviour. my bad, my jokes are not meant to be offensive.

[lammaredder]

yeah i agree its hard to compare the two, when talking about two arts its hard to say completely one is superior over the other. Hey but its kendo vs fencing, of course we would own those bouncing fags, they should join ballet.

Don't put people down if they like fencing, it's like putting you down for liking kendo.