[PriernPayorse]

I was surfing the imdb because I wondered what happened to Keno from TMNT movie #2. Then I looked over to Master Tatsu and found some info on him....
Founder of Shinkendo? What is that?
Toshishiro Obata is his name and http://www.shinkendo.com/bio.html is his game.

[topcasinobonua]

it commercial kendo.

[bomondus]

I was surfing the imdb because I wondered what happened to Keno from TMNT movie #2. Then I looked over to Master Tatsu and found some info on him....
Founder of Shinkendo? What is that?
Toshishiro Obata is his name and http://www.shinkendo.com/bio.html is his game.

Do a search for shinkendo, you'll find some old threads about it.
I personally lost some respect for the guy when i saw his demo in last years Paris-Bercy martial arts festival.

[Aleenkagirlla]

it commercial kendo.

It's nothing like Kendo, Thank the Gods.

[dupratac]

I believe the general consensus is that Obata's qualifications are legit and his training principles are sound.

People have various opinions about how he chooses to present his art.

[carpartsho]

I suggest you go see a course if you really want to know what it's all about. It's pretty much respected in all serious circles; kendo-world is a different thing though, maybe because of the name. .

And yes it is not kendo, just like kenjutsu.

[RG3rGWcA]

Yes, it's quite legit. It's in my list, as a result.

Shinkendo is a Gendai(post Meiji art and it roughly means "new.") budo form. It's kenjutsu.

If you go to the International Shinkendo Federation website, there is a lot more info on it, and also a list of recognised dojos. There are quite a few here in the states. Any dojo not on that list should be checked out with the federation to be sure they are authorised.

Anyway, go check it out if you can.

Oh. I don't have time to give the link to the above site. And, e-budo will also have some good threads on the subject. Do look there. I've run across a few there.

Kaoru

[boizzones]

kendo-world is a different thing though, maybe because of the name For the record what i stated is my own humble view, i felt that the man embarassed himself while trying to cut wielding two shinkens during that demo, a publicity stunt i don't know, me being too serious in my judgement eventhough i've never practiced kenjustsu or iai in my life? may be and i stand corrected if it is so.

PS: i always wondered how can a sword (by sword i meant shinken) art be gendai?!

[Ruilnasr]

http://www.nbc4.tv/news/5479715/detail.html

[paydayuscf]

PS: i always wondered how can a sword art be gendai?!

Kendo is often used as an example of gendai-budo.

[angeldimmon]

Kendo is often used as an example of gendai-budo.

I just edited my post before you posted yours.

i always wondered how can a sword (by sword i meant shinken) art be gendai?!

[BebopVT]

Lots of gendai shinken arts - but the most visible of them are the ones deriving one way or the other from the training of the Japanese army / navy schools pre WW2 - Toyama Ryu / Nakamura Ryu / Shinkendo / Jissen Budo Takayama Ryu ....

IMHO they are unmistakably gendai, since they are not just reordering or even reforming of classical curriculum like the Kendo Federations seitei iaido but are based on a curriculum created for the needs of the early 20th century military informed by people like Nakamura sensei's classical training.

Aden
Uninformed and opinionated as always!

[Jasonstawnosaa]

Lots of gendai shinken arts - but the most visible of them are the ones deriving one way or the other from the training of the Japanese army / navy schools pre WW2 - Toyama Ryu / Nakamura Ryu / Shinkendo / Jissen Budo Takayama Ryu ....
IMHO they are unmistakably gendai, since they are not just reordering or even reforming of classical curriculum like the Kendo Federations seitei iaido but are based on a curriculum created for the needs of the early 20th century military informed by people like Nakamura sensei's classical training.

Aden
Uninformed and opinionated as always!

Shinkendo isn't pre-WW2 or closely post WW2, what i don't understand is why and how you can create a sword art without any battle experience with a sword?
Again no offence but that tameshigiri demo in Paris-Bercy with two shinkens...... I mean if it was a demo of Haedong gumdo it would be cool but done by someone who has such history of training in JSA, but who am i to judge i guess.

[Ladbarbastirm]

I believe the general consensus is that Obata's qualifications are legit and his training principles are sound.

People have various opinions about how he chooses to present his art.

If you had ever seen either his classes or his students as I have, you might question that statement.
That's all I'm saying.

[enencephoth]

Yes, it's quite legit. It's in my list, as a result.

Just out of curiosity, what denotes "legit" in your book?

[tooratrack]

ninja turtles 1 and 2....
he is a samurai, he only plays a ninja on the big screen.
ninja vanish!
practicing in an abandoned bowling alley is cool,
beats the back yard.

seen it, don't care enough to bash it, its just...he may be able to tell you the secret of the ooze.

[johobuo]

practicing in an abandoned bowling alley is cool,
beats the back yard.

Dude....is it 1983?
LOL
I had my first real date there!
Remember Yaohan?
HeeHee!

[ToifvT5S]

If you had ever seen either his classes or his students as I have, you might question that statement.
That's all I'm saying.

Well I did, and I don't. Don't compare it with kendo or iaido, or it will be like apples and oranges.

[Loxaeed]

Well I did, and I don't. Don't compare it with kendo or iaido, or it will be like apples and oranges.

Personally, methinks it is more like apples and Shite.
~But yeah, I'll give you that. Kendo it aint.

[MichaelfromSpace]

Personal opinions on Shinkendo ...
Obata Toshishiro has a bunch of experience in several different gendai and koryu arts. He had thoughts to incorporate what he had learned into a unified system of swordsmanship. From what I have seen of them, his principals and system were sound, and revolved around very solid technique. It is my understanding that the system has changed as it evolved. He has been tirelessly promoting it in order to expand Shinkendo around the globe. His system and standards have both been simplified over the years in order to make it more palatable to modern tastes, and so expand the school. Glitzy demonstrations such as cutting with two shinken as shown in the linked video clip, have become his way of generating interest. Shinkendo is still a viable school of kenjutsu/battojutsu. The senior instructors that I have met have all been well grounded in basics and quite knowledgeable. Unfortunately, Obata sensei's changes have not sat well with some of his senior students, and so a number of them have left the organization in recent years.
Shenkendo has nothing at all to do with kendo. Shinkendo is still a decent kenjutsu/battojutsu system, but you now have to be more careful about who you are learning from (sort of like Bujinkan).
Shinkendo isn't pre-WW2 or closely post WW2, what i don't understand is why and how you can create a sword art without any battle experience with a sword?
The principals of shu-ha-ri are still utilized in today's sword arts. Schools can be made today in exactly the same way they have been made for hundreds of years. Contrary to what the movies would have you believe, sword duels were not very common during the Edo period (1600 to 1867) as they had to be approved or forgiven by the Shogun or his appointee. Many sword schools were developed during this period by people who had trained in other schools, and decided that things would be better done a bit differently, or they had a dispute with their school and struck out on their own, or for a dozen other reasons. By the late 1600's, everyone who had fought in the battles of the Sengoku Jidai were dead. Therefore, there were a very small number of people in Japan that actually had battle experience with their sword. However, there are quite a number of schools that were created by these very people.