[AnriXuinriZ]

Actually the hakama does NOT have an obi. It has himo but no obi. The obi is a seperate entity just like in karate or jujitsu. the big difference though is that iai practitioners usually use kaku obi since they are wider and hold the sword better than a standard karate obi and also the obi do not signify rank as in other martial arts.

Bah..'string' or 'belt'..the meaning got through

Jakob

[Quigoxito]

Actually the hakama does NOT have an obi. It has himo but no obi. The obi is a seperate entity just like in karate or jujitsu. the big difference though is that iai practitioners usually use kaku obi since they are wider and hold the sword better than a standard karate obi and also the obi do not signify rank as in other martial arts.

[Roker]

Or putting some kind of cord over the shoulders before the duel?
I have been wondering about that for a while. I think it is just so there selves could get in the way while fighting.. In Zatoichi the cord was taken from the mans Katana.

I was wandering may times, when I've seen samurais in combat, what does it mean, when they somehow pull up their hakama and put it underneath the obi. Does anyone knows what it is? I don't know what this means, hakama has an obi it is not separate like in Karate.

[GenryDont]

Here, Takamatsu has hakama secured somehow at obi (or himo?). Does anyone have any references how to do that?

I've seen that in samurai movies, and on www.bugei.com when Mr. Williams does tamashigiri. I don't know how to do any of that, sorry.

Good luck with your duel, though.

[XarokLasa]

I meant something like this:

http://www2.arnes.si/~mfujan1/bscap001.jpg

Image is from the film Samurai: Duel at Ganryu Island, and this is Sasaki Kojiro. I wonder what he has on his legs, It looks that hakama is somehow tied below, already noted cord and also smoe kind of hachimaki on his had.

http://www.bujinkan-club.si/slike/takam3.jpg

Here, Takamatsu has hakama secured somehow at obi (or himo?). Does anyone have any references how to do that?

Tying up the sleaves is called tasuki-sabaki; it is still practiced by female Kyudo-ka. Tasuki are typically used in Kendo and Naginata Shiai for a different purpose - they are the red and white strips of cloth used to designate the two different participants (with the colors matching the flags of the Shimpan).

The hakama is pulled up on each side through the himo; commonly Yudansha in Aikido use this to demonstrate their footwork to Mudansha (who normally do not wear Hakama).

HTH.

[feedcomnet]

Here is a picture of how to do tasuki, I could not find any thing related to Kenjyutsu or Kyudo but I am sure this is the same.

http://fuuryusi.cool.ne.jp/kituke-men/tasuki.JPG Translation:-

Budo Tasuki

1) Take one end and fold it then hold it between your teeth then take the other end and pull it from your front under your left armpit and back out
over your right shoulder.

2) From the right shoulder pass the thread over your front and under your
right armpit and out over your left shoulder.

3) Take the cord out of your mouth and tie both ends.

A) Tie A and B together

B) Pull A & B tight

C) Finished

[hhynmtrxcp]

Ah I understand. I am not sure about tying a cord around your shoulders being like the red and white ribbon in Kendo because I don't think I have ever seen some one with a red cord.

Any way about the Hakama, remember that in Kendo we wear a riding hakama and there were many other Hakama in the past like this.

Tattsuke-Hakama

For excample the undivided Hakama and very long Hakama and I am sure shorter Hakama than we wear now. But Hakama was very expencive in the 1600s and other periods so only rich people could wear them. Japan is also very hot so some people just would wear a loin cloth. Men also wore Kimono like women but not as eleberet.

Check out this site for Japanese clothing. The shin sen gumi section looks interesting . http://www.shop-japan.co.jp/english-...ndex.3html.htm

http://www.shop-japan.co.jp/english-...hinsengumi.htm

[ANCETPYNCTEXT]

""I was wandering may times, when I've seen samurais in combat, what does it mean, when they somehow pull up their hakama and put it underneath the obi. Does anyone knows what it is? Or puting some kind of cord over the shoulders before the duel? Is it sageo? Can anyone help me? I've searched the web unsucessfuly yet, so, if anyone knows for a good resources, I would really appreciate his help.""
to answer this .....
normally hakkama hide movement of your position for gaining an advantage of your oppenent not seeing your feet there are a couple of reasons for tucking them in 1. to not get wet. 2. to not get cought on things 3. you dont care if he sees your feet or movement and mobilitys an issue.
the cord they use is usually eiter thier sageo witch is a cord that is sometimes attached to your saya (sheeth) it has many uses thats one of them and also some times its just a strip of cloth its to keep your sleeves back when moveing either in a fight or you might be working on something like building or cooking ect. and my recorces are me i am a shodan and soon higher rank in muso shinden ryu iaido...

[GohJHM9k]

Image is from the film Samurai: Duel at Ganryu Island, and this is Sasaki Kojiro. I wonder what he has on his legs, It looks that hakama is somehow tied below, already noted cord and also smoe kind of hachimaki on his had.

to answer this to tell the truth i forgot the name of that its just your hakkama tied at the knee and ankle but there are a certin type of hakama actually 2 types that do it for you one is for traveling/fighting ect. and another is a more slim hakkama for wearing with armor

again resorce is me and i kant spell sorry

[JeremyIV]

you do realize this thread is over 3 years old dont you?

[Itrtuawh]

and i also need to comment on some things japan is not hot ive been there is cold as hell i live in florida its hot here but i was born here so it dosnt bother me
yes hakkama were not cheap back in the day but not only rich people wore them that is an inaccuracy actually a lot of people wore them but durring summer times what you said is true
but the biggist thing i need to comment on is a lot of stuff about jap. swordsmanship on the internet is b.s. and you should get multiple i mean multipe sources before thinking its right even on jap. sites just cus someone is jap. and even practives iai or other martial skills doenst mean they know what there talking about they have b.s. people mc dojos like we do

[Rndouglas]

you do realize this thread is over 3 years old dont you? no i didnt thanks but someone will read it one day like i did right makes sense to answer it and if only one person gets correct knowlage from me thats good too

[mxzjxluwst]

no i didnt thanks but someone will read it one day like i did right makes sense to answer it and if only one person gets correct knowlage from me thats good too

Uh oh...

So, stranger. What dojo to you attend?

[gomosopions]

you do realize this thread is over 3 years old dont you?

He is dead after all.

Here is a pic of tasuki on koryu naginata people.

japan is not hot Heh heh heh, riiiiight.

[Peterli]

and i also need to comment on some things japan is not hot ive been there is cold as hell

It gets pretty uncomfortable during the summer, depending on where you are.

[esdfsdflast]

Heh heh heh, riiiiight.

Dude, didn't you read his post? This guy's been to Japan...he knows...

Good old deadthread, always amusing on a Friday morning...

[AngelinaLip]

Greetings DeadBoy, welcome to KW.

Congrats on the shodan and good luck for the nidan shinza. We always can use someone of your expertise and experience.

[goolen4you]

Greetings DeadBoy, welcome to KW.

Congrats on the shodan and good luck for the nidan shinza. We always can use someone of your expertise and experience.

...and on the award from the Plain English campaign.

[Blellurgews]

Greetings DeadBoy, welcome to KW.

Congrats on the shodan and good luck for the nidan shinza. We always can use someone of your expertise and experience.

Absolutely. Thank god you're here to clear up all of our hard to answer questions. Maybe I could create an "ask Deadboy" forum, just to speed this process up?

[arindiruppya]

Maybe just his own thread...?