[EvaQWmrm]

[QUOTE=Yowai]Americans particularly behaves in such a manner. Therefore, the nationality is relevant.

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And where would you be from, omae?

[bugagasikaga]

Which makes this forum pretty funny.

ya this forum is fun ,

[codecouponqw]

Weakboy iz from 'Luserville'

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LOL

[shieclulaweew]

yeah it seems assholish how you ASSumed that i came and tried to get ahead of them in line. they know who i am and they know i've been doing kendo and have been 3-dan longer than they have been. i've been going to that dojo for about 7 years now, and i ALWAYS ask the sensei personally if i can practice, and i ALWAYS thank the sensei after practice. it's kinda obvious that the sensei and i have an UNDERSTANDING. i know he'll let me practice, and i know that he knows that i'm thankful. but i guess you never heard of this saying in kendo: kendo wa rei ni hajimari soshite rei ni owaru. kendo begins with and ends with rei. or does your dojo not teach you this aspect of kendo? that's exactly what i do and alot of other kenshi out there as well. i've been going to this dojo ALOT longer than these other kenshi. so this is MY second dojo. i have alot of second dojo, but yet i always seem to greet the sensei before i start practice and personally thank the sensei after practice. and dr.hillsing, i think i should be fired up about this. you know why? these are supposedly 3-dan. shouldn't they at least personally thank the sensei, do keiko honorably, and be exceptionally respectful to the dojo, its kenshi, and the sensei? or does being 3-dan give you the right NOT to excercise these practices and allow you to line up in front of everyone? i don't want dojos to produce these buremono kenshi. these dojos should be teaching kendo etiquette and not just waza. oh, but i guess that would just be assholish right?

Max,

My goodness!!

Such a large ego... I expect better from a sandan. I've only been doing Kendo for 2 months, but I have a pretty good idea what is expected of someone of your rank. Trust me, my sensei would be most ashamed of you and your behavior. I feel ashamed for you myself. Have you no honor?

What it means to be sandan...

Being sandan means you must be humble and not wish to be at the head of the line. Being sandan means you put the younger Kenshi first before yourself. Being sandan means you do not boast. Being sandan means you understand that when you visit another dojo, no matter how long you've been visiting it, that you are not to be impolite and put yourself ahead of the students whose dojo it is in the first place. Being sandan means you follow the rules of the dojo you are visiting, no matter how well you are known there. Being sandan means that you don't get all mad and start swearing in posts when you don't get your way. Being sandan means that you don't try to beat down others in keiko. It's very rude. Not to mention dishonorable. You should not be proud of doing that. Being sandan means you don't say bad things about other Kenshi and call them names as you did in your first post. You should have grown out of that by now. Being sandan means the younger and less experienced Kenshi will look up to you. It is your responsibility to behave accordingly and act as a role model. In your posts you have not shown you are able to do this yet. Being sandan means you understand that there is no place for arrogance of any sort in the dojo or outside of the dojo. You have not proven you understand this yet.

Well, that's my list of what it means to me, to be a sandan. Please excuse me if you think I am impolite, but I think it had to be said. Gomen nasai. I wish you would please think about the things in my list. Thank you.

Kaoru

[VrQsgM7c]

"You swine. You vulgar little maggot. Don't you know that you are pathetic? You worthless bag of filth. As we say in Texas, I'll bet you couldn't pour piss out of a boot with instructions on the heel. You are a canker. A sore that won't go away. I would rather kiss a lawyer than be seen with you.

You are a fiend and a coward, and you have bad breath. You are degenerate, noxious and depraved. I feel debased just for knowing you exist. I despise everything about you. You are a bloody nardless newbie twit protohominid chromosomally aberrant caricature of a coprophagic cloacal parasitic pond scum and I wish you would go away.

You're a putrescence mass, a walking vomit. You are a spineless little worm deserving nothing but the profoundest contempt. You are a jerk, a cad, a weasel. Your life is a monument to stupidity. You are a stench, a revulsion, a big suck on a sour lemon.

You are a bleating fool, a curdled staggering mutant dwarf smeared richly with the effluvia and offal accompanying your alleged birth into this world. An insensate, blinking calf, meaningful to nobody, abandoned by the puke-drooling, giggling beasts who sired you and then killed themselves in recognition of what they had done.

I will never get over the embarrassment of belonging to the same species as you. You are a monster, an ogre, a malformity. I barf at the very thought of you. You have all the appeal of a paper cut. Lepers avoid you. You are vile, worthless, less than nothing. You are a weed, a fungus, the dregs of this earth. And did I mention you smell?"

eYe tHinKz thIZ iZ dA phIrSt tYme I dIdNt C AliG tYpE lYkE tHiZzzz...c000l

[incimisiche]

So how do you tell a visiting Sensei who dissed the Dojo's Head Instructor in front of it's members, Parents.. That he's not welcome to come until he appologizes to the Dojo..Do you keep silent or confront?

[truck]

not only that but he talks of himself at the third person!!
what a looser.
congrats if have taken you 10 years to have your 3 dan.
maybe its because you suck, maybe its because you want to be the last dan to be better.

[Darlmtgq]

Hai Hai,

There is no need to say "American." Anyone from any country can behave this way. It's not nice to single a specific group out and make generalisations. However, I agree with everything in the rest of your post.

Kaoru

Sumimasen.

Prideful, Australian SOB wanker.

[Cigarsstoreonline]

yes, i agree with Will. and i don't think you should get to fired up about it.

[GueseVekdet]

Now, I don't want it to sound like I'm generalizing, but this certain dojo seems to be full of cocky kenshi. I have no idea why. They all suck. Maybe it's cause they are 5-year 3-dans? Gee, took me well over 10 years to get my 3-dan. AND they line up ahead of me when we do seiza.

First, maybe the people who were late come there all the time and the day that you arrived they happened to be late. Or maybe they have an understanding with the sensei that they'll be coming late. But about the lining up part during seiza, as a visitor to the dojo, you should line up at the end of the ranks because you are a visitor...But anyway, let's say these guys came here all the time, they would naturally go to their spot and then you came and tried to get ahead of them...seems pretty assholish to me. They don't know your rank or how long you've been doing Kendo. Besides, when you line up according to rank, it's usually done by age before experience...were they older than you? If not they probably lined up ahead of you because you're a visitor to their second dojo.

[9Goarveboofe]

I think max has a lot of good points even though he sounds like a Jack @$$. His actions are respectful even though his thoughts are not....you can’t really get on him because he does all the "right" things. In Japan even when you don’t want to do something for your A-hole senpai, you have to do it. The senpai does not care if you like them or not, and they don’t care about what you think (It takes a big A-hole to think like this), all they care about is your actions. Is kendo not a reflection of a certain part of Japanese culture??? MAX can think disrespectfully if he wants to, all he is expected to do is “show” respect. So who is really wrong here????? Max who is doing the reigi tadashii things or the “chicken $hit” people that are being gyogi warui???? For the people that are still new to kendo (10 years or less) how would you know what its like to be in the position that max is? He may not deserve respect morally, but he should get it at the dojo. Isn’t part of kendo being humble and learning about humility? If max is as well mannered as he says he is, I believe that he has paid his dues to his senpai over the years( sounds like he is bitter about it hahaha), but when you get people that are new to kendo….sometimes they don’t abide by the same rules that applied to you. Some people that are new to kendo understand this kinda “sucky” but Atari mai part of kendo…manners, senpai/kohai, the Japanese culture…if you do not agree with this stuff, well maybe you should not be doing something at is dominated by these ideas. Monku attara deteke!!!! Sounds harsh…but you all have free will to stay in kendo or quit… part of doing kendo is being a part of this world.

max you sound like a hot shot...if you come to socal i will smack the crap out of you!! gahahahaha!!!!

[Evsltkzl]

Sumimasen.

Prideful, Australian SOB wanker.

Maybe he's an American living in Australia....

[Jourgenz]

[QUOTE=Hai_hai]MaxPayneWayne,
First off, you are not a true kendo student. You are a prideful American, kendoka wanna-be. QUOTE]

Hey, how 'bout we not use 'American' as some type of negative modifier, ok?

[r9tbayfC]

Cause I beat them down during keiko, that's why. I merely wanted to know if anyone in this forum ever had this problem. This sort of thing is very rare in the Australian kendo world, but it does happen.

[rolex-buy]

... let's say i go to your dojo an hour late, don't ask the sensei for permission to practice, do dirty kendo during keiko, and leave without thanking the sensei...

well, yes that is disrespectful, but isn't it more of a matter between those students and your sensei?
and maybe they don't know they were supposed to ask permission, etc. because they were never taught these things, not just at their previous dojo, but also at home (as some parents don't really care about courtesy)?
if you want, you can tell them how things should be done at your dojo, or you can wait for your sensei to correct them if he wishes to.

if i were you, i'd go talk to them, because it's better to correct things sooner than waiting for them to get worse and ingrained.

my $0.02.

[Corryikilelet]

Guys, stop this.

This arguing is senseless. All you guys seem to care about is insulting each other. If I was in a dojo practicing with you higher ranked people right now, I'd not know how to think about the lot of you. You all talk of respect, but it all goes right out the window when you insult each other like this. I guess all of you ignored my previous post then. I may be just a beginner, but I know that all this insulting each other confuses me when you people say respect is important, and then this mess. As a beginner, I'd not approach any of you in class, because of this. I'd stay far away. In my previous post, it was just a bunch of ideas I had on what it would mean to carry the responsibility of being a sandan. It wasn't meant as an insult at all, even though some comments were for Max.

Please don't yell at me.

Kaoru

[goatteatromiag]

Cause I beat them down during keiko, that's why. I merely wanted to know if anyone in this forum ever had this problem. This sort of thing is very rare in the Australian kendo world, but it does happen.

Where abouts roughly in Australia are you?

[Qrhzbadu]

MaxPayneWayne,
First off, you are not a true kendo student. You are a prideful American, kendoka wanna-be. You point your finger and say "That person is not humble! Look at me, I'm humble!" And, then you come here and boast about how good you are and how you beat the others and how much better your technique is and how clean it is and blah blah blah.
Kendo is about learning, not boasting and whining, which you have apparently mastered. When doing keiko, you and everyone else is there to learn from each other. If you are better, it is your duty to teach those who are of lower rank than you. If you are a visitor to a dojo, you automatically do not have any seniority. That is the Japanese way. It is the sensei's business to take care of his students, not a visitor.

Whiner.

Why you join a strip mall karate club?

Hai Hai,

There is no need to say "American." Anyone from any country can behave this way. It's not nice to single a specific group out and make generalisations. However, I agree with everything in the rest of your post.

Kaoru

[yatrahnualenu]

this attitude kinda suck maxpaynedude.
Happy Kendo!
Maybe you think your a samurai, and therefore, your pride is your only possession, along with your shinai, YOUR dojos, and YOUR second dojos and
your third dan.

[GillTeepbew]

it's all about learning self control (yeah, right), funny how most of the times you see a mild manner kendoka around the dojo end then when they sit in front of the computer an in the forum they turn into el-flamo (me included) and suddenly the whole thread's caught in a wild bushfire. It's easier to flame some post compared to say throwing insults to someone right in front of you.