[exhibeKed]

As far as i know, there's very little is known for sure about musashi's life. Yoshikawa based his story loosely around very few facts. It's a great book but is not to be taken as fact. All the details about kojiro and his sword and his techniques and flourish are pretty much fictional i think. I'd love to be corrected if i'm wrong, but i'm pretty sure there's little or no actual documentation to support that stuff.
So to try and piece together the waza that he used when fighting musashi is impossible. Even if some of the details of Kojiro's life apply to someone who lived in that time and fought musashi, to hope to approach that waza just isn't realistic, it couldn't have survived.
hope this isn't too much of a downer, but i think even if it ever existed in the first place, its gone now.

[bellson]

i thought musashi never got defeated. he said in his book that he defeated 60 people without losing once.

~taganahan

[glamourcitys]

Hello Budoka.
I'm in need of some info about Tsubame gaeshi waza which was developed by Sasaki Kojiro to defeat Musashi at the ganryujima duel.
Can anyone show me this technique picture to picture?

thanhk in advance.

[antipenq]

Musashi beat Kojiro on Ganryu Island, with a boat oar if my memory serves me correctly...

[metrocartockasur]

Hello Budoka.
I'm in need of some info about Tsubame gaeshi waza which was developed by Sasaki Kojiro to defeat Musashi at the ganryujima duel.
Can anyone show me this technique picture to picture?

thanhk in advance.

Given that a lot of the references I found on the web suggested that Tsumamegaeshi is fictional, here is one picture I managed to find on google images by searching for 燕返し　.
Also I know nothing about tameshigiri or iaido.



It seems to involve cutting down and then straight up again from underneath with the blade facing upwards.

What do you need this for?

[Hrennilasi]

This is a total necro-post but I was looking for something to confirm what my instructor said about it when I asked him about the subject, and I happened across this post in the forum with that picture that nanbanjin posted.

He said that the idea behind it is to attack twice in succession from 2 different directions in order to befuddle your opponent.

edit: I found this on wikipedia: His favorite technique was both respected and feared throughout feudal Japan. It was called the "Turning Swallow Cut" or "Tsubame Gaeshi" (燕返し lit. "Swallow Reversal / Return"), and was so named because it mimicked the motion of a swallow's tail during flight as observed at Kintaibashi Bridge in Iwakuni. This cut was reputedly so quick and precise that it could strike down a bird in mid-flight. There are no direct descriptions of the technique, but it was compared to two other techniques current at the time: the Itto-ryu's Kinshi Cho Ohken and the Ganryū Kosetsu To; respectively the two involved fierce and swift cuts downward and then immediately upwards. Hence, the "Turning Swallow Cut" has been reconstructed as a technique involving striking downward from above and then instantly striking again in an upward motion from below. The strike's second phase could be from below toward the rear and then upward at an angle, like an eagle climbing again after swooping down on its prey.
it seems that the picture came from itto ryu.

[inilbowly]

Hello Budoka.
I'm in need of some info about Tsubame gaeshi waza which was developed by Sasaki Kojiro to defeat Musashi at the ganryujima duel.
Can anyone show me this technique picture to picture?

thanhk in advance.

Tsubamegaeshi occurs in a number of ryuha. It wasn't invented by Kojiro, nor was he very good at beating Musashi.

As mentioned above, why do you want to know more about this technique?

[DenisMoor]

Try bukkake-kaeshi. You wil find it more affective.

[Unlinozistimi]

Seconded. Awesome technique, with very few counter-attacks known.

+rep.

[crazuMovies]

very few counter-attacks known.

Not true. One can either hakidasu or nomikomu.

[JulieSmithXIV]

Obviously you've uke-d for this waza before...

[Rffkwfct]

No, I've just been studying alot of online references.

[Assunkkensatt]

Tsk tsk tsk, what do we tell people about learning from books and movies...?

Direct transmission from teacher to student only - you know the rules here...

[ZX3URrBH]

Heh heh heh.. Do you think Kaoru can find me a legit place where I can refine my techniques?

[esdfsdflast]

You can only ask.

KAORU!

Leiv is looking for a bukkake-sensei. Must be renshi or above. He is willing to travel to receive good, solid technique.

[aLZ9zKsO]

hehe

[gtyruzzel]

Someone called for me?

Mayonnaise anyone?

BAYM!

This tsubame gaishi... I thought it might have been something else...

What is the technique called when in tsuba zeriai you turn your shinai to try and move your opponents, and then whack it round from the other direction?

If i were to nipponofy it Tsuba gaeshi sounds reasonable...

Not a very good description.

[drmarshallusa]

or tsuka gaeshi.

[Aluback]

another highly effective counter for bukakke waza,
"Debana-Naked pictures of your mom"

This must be practiced thoroughly.

[HonestSean]

What, like the other dude has naked pictures of YOUR mum? You are just faster to whip them out, the pictures that it.