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Old 05-15-2008, 12:12 AM   #21
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Or c) I'm showing off.
I did a lot of this. After all the numbskulls in Japan who would approach out of nowhere with totally unintelligible English thinking that it was my duty to converse with them, it was my turn. I would tell them "how good their English" was even though it was obvious they had been in the States long. I'd ask them if they had trouble using a knife and fork or if they could eat beef.
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Old 05-15-2008, 12:15 AM   #22
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I'm not normally a big fan of Japanese comedy, but I really like ラーメンズ. 怪傑ギリ人 and 不思議な国のニッポン are on Youtube, I think. Well worth watching (if you speak Japanese).
I decided to take off where I left years ago and I'm actually studying japanese again. Any means to improve my knowledge of the language is welcome. I'll check them for sure, thanks.
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Old 05-15-2008, 12:20 AM   #23
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I did a lot of this. After all the numbskulls in Japan who would approach out of nowhere with totally unintelligible English thinking that it was my duty to converse with them, it was my turn. I would tell them "how good their English" was even though it was obvious they had been in the States long. I'd ask them if they had trouble using a knife and fork or if they could eat beef.
This is damn hilarious!!!!
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Old 05-15-2008, 12:23 AM   #24
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In LA right? How about "Thank you"? If you say anything back in Japanese they probably won't understand because they are most likely Korean.
Here in Roma that's mostly chinese.
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Old 05-15-2008, 12:57 AM   #25
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In LA right? How about "Thank you"? If you say anything back in Japanese they probably won't understand because they are most likely Korean.
God, if I had a nickel for everytime this has happened to me...
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Old 05-15-2008, 01:44 AM   #26
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Again all of this goes back to context and where you are using it. Just asked one of my JTEs about it. She said, in house context no, should trans it as different. But in a business setting like this -- its okay to trans it as how may I help you! My opinion is that depends on the setting and exactly the meaning/ self reminder you want. Anyways..... Probably ask 10 different Japanese and they will tell you 10 different answers for it lol. Sometimes yes, sometimes no. Again those are various situations and for a very specific context situation then ya you need to trans diff. But for a basic context think this would be fine.
Ok, I see you're point, but I interpret that as being something like, if you don't really need to know, and you don't really care, why not just translate it anyway that pleases you, because it mostly doesn't matter.

But if you actually do want to know what it means, particularly in the context given, then your answer is wrong.

I'm not an expert on the language or anything, a couple years of college Japanese and some time spent in the field, and I still find conversations with my in-laws being pretty criss-crossed, so what do I know?

Normally I wouldn't care enough to argue, but I guess at some point I got tired of wannabe experts whose sole experience with Japan and it's culture coming from doing aikido and watching "Rising Sun" too many times, and now I get picky. Hey, once you've had one of those Rising Sun watchees go off on some Japanese folks to get their way, because, after all, it worked for Sean Connery, you get kind of a complex.

Not that I'm trying to say that case applies to you, it's just one too many gimlets.

Rock on, my brothers!

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Old 05-15-2008, 02:00 AM   #27
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The best way is to learn by living in Japan. Just to give you guys a little background on my Japanese ability. I have been speaking for 12 yrs, formal training for about 61/2 yrs, living in Japan for 4 yrs. Does that make my Japanese correct? ----- H#ll no! But I have my own system and it works for me! I tend to run my classes bilingual ie English and Japanese! Is my grammar also correct ---- You better believe that it isn`t! But at the end of the day I can converse on any basic topic, get myself into and out of trouble with my Japanese. Again I am approaching it from a beginners point of view! Would be teaching a beginner in Kendo Kaeshi dou the first week ----- Everyone better agree that the answer is no! But after you get a couple years of experience then you can start to understand Kaeshi dou, its applications, what situation etc. Same here ---- Japanese studied as language changes. Here is a basic generlization, then you learn by trial and error w/ teachers helping to assit you so that you know what the correct situation is!!!!
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Old 05-15-2008, 04:28 AM   #28
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c) I'm showing off
留学生の女性に対してはどうするの?
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Old 05-15-2008, 04:42 AM   #29
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留学生の女性に対してはどうするの?
勿論、日本語が分からないふりをする!
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Old 05-15-2008, 07:15 AM   #30
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Zeal UK
大丈夫ですしかし若いと時々馬鹿ねだったらいつも仕事から学校だけと思いますねそしてちょ少し暇があります ね
からあなたの質問ちがうの意味をさがしますか?大学生の留学生と思いましたか?ごめんこちら遅いだったら今 居合道
練習に帰りました!!!
Oroshi:
そうですね少し難しいだったら時々新しいの漢字と意味わからないねそして私もだったら少しわかりますと少し 辞書を使いますね
じゃ跡でねそして皆さんは頑張って下さいね
また、狼より/ Jeff
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Old 05-15-2008, 08:16 AM   #31
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I don't speak Japanese or Korean, so I can't be sure, but I have been told that Hide Sushi (on Sawtelle in Santa Monica) is indeed run by Japanese people. I seem to remember a similar experience at Asakuma on Wilshire, but it's been a while since I've been to either place. Perhaps the Koreans have invaded Santa Monica's sushi establishments since I've been there.

So arguments on linguistic complexities aside, they are supposed to be saying "irashaimase" and we are supposed to say "gochisosama deshita"?

Btw, the videos were funny.

Thanks all.
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Old 05-15-2008, 08:44 AM   #32
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You can say gochisosama deshita once you've eaten no?

Like the end note after your itadakimasu...

You don't say anything to their irashaimasse, at least that's what i've been told and will do on my impending trip... unless anyone says otherwise...
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Old 05-15-2008, 08:54 AM   #33
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You don't say anything to their irashaimasse, at least that's what i've been told and will do on my impending trip... unless anyone says otherwise...
So many opportunities for mischief...
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Old 05-15-2008, 09:00 AM   #34
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So many opportunities for mischief...
Hehe

I've probably got a better head start than most white folks who go over but i'm still looking forward to making a heap of faux pas... love them faux pas.
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Old 05-15-2008, 06:18 PM   #35
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勿論、日本語が分からないふりをする!
I tried that once to get out of a speeding ticket, but I cracked after about two minutes.

Jeff, punctuation is your friend. Yeah I was on about exchange students at Uni.

You shouldn't worry about faux pas in Japan, most Japanese expect you to make mistakes because you're foreign.

If you want to act like a real Japanese oyaji just totally ignore the staff and shout your order at them from the other side of the room.
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Old 05-15-2008, 06:46 PM   #36
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If you want to act like a real Japanese oyaji just totally ignore the staff and shout your order at them from the other side of the room.
Dont get me started on the old guys....
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Old 05-15-2008, 06:59 PM   #37
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most Japanese expect you to make mistakes because you're foreign.
Expect? They lay in wait; they love it! It confirms their belief that they are truly different.

If you want to act like a real Japanese oyaji just totally ignore the staff and shout your order at them from the other side of the room.
Brilliant!
This is something I will never get used to. I can't do it even if I've been drinking!
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Old 05-15-2008, 07:15 PM   #38
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Exactly lol, although I have had a couple Batsu from host familes about using the wrong expression etc. Ie slang/ lower form.
That I had picked up from T.V. and was using joking around etc. Of course just Batsu me instead of explaining why I shouldn`t use it etc lol.
No worries, yeah I tend to be lazy in using puncuation in my written Japanese. However I don`t type that much, except at school and then I
make sure to try use it the correct way lol --- On the exchange ones if your over here after meeting them -- like said thats my opinion!!! Which is why
I go for the older ones lol. If there in your country then yeah its worth a shot. Yes expect to get hit w/ a lot of mistakes/ faux pas etc etc.
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Old 05-15-2008, 08:36 PM   #39
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I thought they said, "Welcome to [name of sushi-ya]! The fugu is excellent today!"

And they have the myopic sushi chef on board tonight....


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Old 05-16-2008, 08:03 AM   #40
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Expect? They lay in wait; they love it! It confirms their belief that they are truly different.
Heh..
Wait 'till they get a load of my Stetson, Boots and Rodeo Belt Buckle.

I think I'll ask for deep-fried Sushi.
MUhahah!
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