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**Jon Woodgate** · 11-13-2009, 09:25 PM

Anyone heard of these styles? Legit?

**AriaDesser** · 11-13-2009, 11:22 PM

If I remember correctly, kukishin is the school practised by the bujinkan, so no, not legit in the slightest. Not sure of the iaido school though

**gIWnXYkw** · 11-14-2009, 01:31 AM

Kukishin-ryu (or Kukishinden Tenshin Hyoho) is a real, legitimate koryu (see here and here). Its main line transmission takes place outside the Bujinkan. I can't really comment on how it's taught within the Bujinkan, but in my opinion it would be well worth finding out if the person teaching it learned it in the Bujinkan, or whether they are a student of the main line.

Kuniba-ryu is not koryu.

**fujitsusi** · 05-20-2010, 12:31 AM

Kukishin ryu is legit, kuniba ryu isn't... The first place to check for these things is the in the 武芸流派古辞典 the Bujinkan lines are separate lines of the same tradition and all lines I know of Kukishin ryu ( or Kukishinden ryu) are legit, but aren't accurately taught or understood outside Japan except by very few. So effectively making the way it is taught less like a koryu now-a-days. (

I can't find kuniba ryu any where? Is it a typo?
But, it seems that it isn't a koryu, but doesn't make it any less legit as a martial art.

**aAaBecker** · 05-21-2010, 08:46 AM

Kuniba ryu is actually an offshoot of Mugai ryu. Kuniba Shogo taught Mugai ryu to many people a number of years ago when he lived in the U.S. However, it was his own version of Mugai ryu, and it came to be called Kuniba ryu to differentiate it. Rob Rivers wrote a nice article for EJMAS detailing the differences as he practiced both of them ... http://ejmas.com/tin/2007tin/rivers/...ers2_0711.html

**kimaddison** · 05-24-2010, 11:57 PM

Kuniba ryu is actually an offshoot of Mugai ryu. Kuniba Shogo taught Mugai ryu to many people a number of years ago when he lived in the U.S. However, it was his own version of Mugai ryu, and it came to be called Kuniba ryu to differentiate it. Rob Rivers wrote a nice article for EJMAS detailing the differences as he practiced both of them ...

That makes sense why I haven't heard of it.

**ManituIKOL** · 06-08-2010, 08:46 AM

Hello,
I was searching the web and came across this thread.
Kukishinden Tenshinhyoho is very much a Koryu art.
If anyone has any questions relating to this, feel free to contact me.

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11-14-2009, 01:31 AM	#3
gIWnXYkw Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 543 Senior Member	Kukishin-ryu (or Kukishinden Tenshin Hyoho) is a real, legitimate koryu (see here and here). Its main line transmission takes place outside the Bujinkan. I can't really comment on how it's taught within the Bujinkan, but in my opinion it would be well worth finding out if the person teaching it learned it in the Bujinkan, or whether they are a student of the main line. Kuniba-ryu is not koryu. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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05-20-2010, 12:31 AM	#4
fujitsusi Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 466 Senior Member	Kukishin ryu is legit, kuniba ryu isn't... The first place to check for these things is the in the 武芸流派古辞典 the Bujinkan lines are separate lines of the same tradition and all lines I know of Kukishin ryu ( or Kukishinden ryu) are legit, but aren't accurately taught or understood outside Japan except by very few. So effectively making the way it is taught less like a koryu now-a-days. ( I can't find kuniba ryu any where? Is it a typo? But, it seems that it isn't a koryu, but doesn't make it any less legit as a martial art. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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05-21-2010, 08:46 AM	#5
aAaBecker Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 509 Senior Member	Kuniba ryu is actually an offshoot of Mugai ryu. Kuniba Shogo taught Mugai ryu to many people a number of years ago when he lived in the U.S. However, it was his own version of Mugai ryu, and it came to be called Kuniba ryu to differentiate it. Rob Rivers wrote a nice article for EJMAS detailing the differences as he practiced both of them ... http://ejmas.com/tin/2007tin/rivers/...ers2_0711.html Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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05-24-2010, 11:57 PM	#6
kimaddison Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 414 Senior Member	Kuniba ryu is actually an offshoot of Mugai ryu. Kuniba Shogo taught Mugai ryu to many people a number of years ago when he lived in the U.S. However, it was his own version of Mugai ryu, and it came to be called Kuniba ryu to differentiate it. Rob Rivers wrote a nice article for EJMAS detailing the differences as he practiced both of them ... That makes sense why I haven't heard of it. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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06-08-2010, 08:46 AM	#7
ManituIKOL Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 453 Senior Member	Hello, I was searching the web and came across this thread. Kukishinden Tenshinhyoho is very much a Koryu art. If anyone has any questions relating to this, feel free to contact me. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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