[Poreponko]

A couple of months ago the WAFC made some statements about a WAFL equalization plan to help clubs like Perth and Peel not just get off the bottom of the ladder but to help them become a top 4 side and compete for a premiership.

What's happened since the "talk". Has anyone heard of any concessions to the points cap and or salary cap for Perth and Peel in 2011 that will allow them to recruit more players? Or perhaps more AFL listed players will be shifted to these clubs (this is my least preferred option). You do that and promising young players or established experienced players are likely to be poached by other WAFL clubs because they aren't getting a game.

[violetgorman]

I agree... The bottom two each year should be entitled to some kind of concession. Whether its points or like you said AFL allocations.

It should be looked at now IMO.

[AntonioMQ]

Yeh the WAFC have known about this problem in the WAFL for quite some time now and while tinkering with a few things nothing has changed to help the lesser clubs. They can't let another year go by without doing something. I reckon allow both Perth and Peel to recruit 2 players from anywhere (interstate or another WAFL club) without it impacting on the points cap.

[RicyReetred]

Some clubs need some sort of boost at times... Claremont are an example of how it can be done. They finished 8th in 2008 and 8th in 2009. During that period they won 13 and lost 27.. Now they are one step from a flag in 2010.... They went all out and attracted former players and got a coach who is by no means a big name, but a man who can actually coach.

They ticked all the boxes and have proven what can be done in an incredible short space of time, on & off the feild.

But I think having clubs down for such a long time is not great for footy. This year has been great because there was a change. The two Grand Finallists from last year did not even make the top four. And 3 new teams played finals this year. Swans were the only team from last year who qualified. To me that is progress on a competitive scale.

But the WAFL also have a responsibility in finding out why a club keeps struggling. I realise clubs themselves must shoulder responsibility, but sometimes there are circumstances involved. Luck can also be one of those....

[Dumpishchaism]

Yeh the WAFC have known about this problem in the WAFL for quite some time now and while tinkering with a few things nothing has changed to help the lesser clubs. They can't let another year go by without doing something. I reckon allow both Perth and Peel to recruit 2 players from anywhere (interstate or another WAFL club) without it impacting on the points cap.

The problem with that is if you are successful that year and the next 3 or so years after that how do you work out your points/salary cap yearly because assumably you have gone over the max 130 with those 2 players?
If you start delisting the 10 point players to get back to 130 points you will end up back where you were,a basket case.

You dont want extra afl player allocations that system is so hit and miss and along the way you will lose the better young locally produced players to other clubs because they wont want to compete for a spot in the team with more than the higher number of afl draft allocations.


I reckon Perth and in particular Peel will need more than 2 extra players to pull them out of the crap
If you want handouts its going to have to be more than 2 players.
We finished 9th they finished 8th with more 100 point floggings than we have seen in past history,2 players wouldnt even make a ripple.

The trouble as i stated above that if you were lucky enough to improve out of sight that year or in a short period how would you then get back into line with the other clubs on player caps 130/salary caps ?
Because you can bet any money you like the other clubs and rightly so would kick up a stink.

Something has to be done no worries there but if they are going to do something it has to be something that will work and work quickly.

[Evoryboypoto]

Come on guys compared to a lot of clubs look at who Perth has attracted of late.....Young ex AFL, Moody ex AFL, Ferguson ex AFL, Thornton ex AFL rookie and former Perth/AFL boys in Cook, McDougall, Armstrong and Dick over the last 2 years......EF in that time have recruited McGough, Dunn, Warren and McNamara........so I'm not too sure how badly off Perth has been......to me sounds like poor coaching or man management could be the problems......

look at EP side this year.....no Wirrpanda, no Roe who were the big name recruits.......most of their side was local lads with JON and Webster as the only ex AFL boys coming back......to me the culture is wrong at Perth to be as under achieving as they ahve been....too many wrong choices in their footy managerial decisions......Peel are in more trouble player wise than Perth....to be beaten so many times by 100 plus points highlights the need for Peel to receive any concessions player wise, points wise......Perth have recruited well.....just not made the most these players abilities....that to me sounds like a managerial and cultural problem....

[sportbos]

Come on guys compared to a lot of clubs look at who Perth has attracted of late.....Young ex AFL, Moody ex AFL, Ferguson ex AFL, Thornton ex AFL rookie and former Perth/AFL boys in Cook, McDougall, Armstrong and Dick over the last 2 years......EF in that time have recruited McGough, Dunn, Warren and McNamara........so I'm not too sure how badly off Perth has been......to me sounds like poor coaching or man management could be the problems......

look at EP side this year.....no Wirrpanda, no Roe who were the big name recruits.......most of their side was local lads with JON and Webster as the only ex AFL boys coming back......to me the culture is wrong at Perth to be as under achieving as they ahve been....too many wrong choices in their footy managerial decisions......Peel are in more trouble player wise than Perth....to be beaten so many times by 100 plus points highlights the need for Peel to receive any concessions player wise, points wise......Perth have recruited well.....just not made the most these players abilities....that to me sounds like a managerial and cultural problem....

That is very true but at the same time those players above have not performed to a consistently high standard apart from Ross Young who is a stand out. Thornton's knee's can't stand up to more than 3 or 4 games straight, McDougall was tentative and only started training in Feb, Ferguson and Moody are not kpp and we struggle to attract quality big men.

Freezin you have seen how having one or two quality big men can make a difference in your team and you have acknowledged your weakness is up forward. The good teams have fire power up forward, you look at the teams who have dominated the WAFL for the past 5 or 6 years like Subi and SF, they have big guns up forward. look at Subi now without Smith and Mapleston, they are a shadow of their former selves. Consequently look at Claremont this year with Chad Jones on fire and great midfield supply. They also have Richardson and Ninyette who have made significant contributions and they have plenty of key backmen who aren't good enough at AFL level but good WAFL players.

[citicroego]

personally i think the points system will work over time (give it time please). We all know the Salary cap leaks and financially powerful clubs have ways around it so basically it is useless. with the points system recruiting will needed to be more targetted clubs will need to identify types of players that fit the teams needs I think Claremont is a good is example of this with all 3 sides making the finals this year and 2 playing off for the premiership not bad for were they where for the past couple of years.

I think creating a strong team is much more than just getting the recruiting right. Management needs to be strong both in business structure/plan & the football departments getting your hands on all the players in the world is not going to turn things around if these recruits don't fit into the club structure. finding the correct coach who fits the clubs is important e.g Simon McPhee & Brian Dawson not big name coaching recruits yet since they have come to their respective clubs they have been reasonable successful. Remember having been a AFL player does not always mean this will translate into success.

Another issues is to ensure you are putting time and energy into junior development as this group will make up the majority of any playing group. Remember success takes time to build and does not happen over night especially

[Katrinsitter]

http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/spo...erth-and-peel/

Probably the very, very least they could have done...

Not far enough imo...no extra salary cap $ or points...

[VodsNittats]

http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/spo...erth-and-peel/

Probably the very, very least they could have done...

Not far enough imo...no extra salary cap $ or points...

Getting extra afl players is going to do what??
Both clubs play these guys into form and bang they get an AFL call up you have lost them for god knows how long,what then?

I know my club Perth has got "lazy" with recruiting because there philosophy has been "well we can get what we need in the reverse draft no need to go out and recruit"
All this will do is create extra headaches for both clubs.If you are an up and comer at Perth or Peel and your club picksup an extra afl player that just happens to specialise in the position you play are you going to hang around?Or request for a transfer to another wafl club?

The main thing here is....you are picking up rookies not seasoned,experienced players,1 in 5 of these players may,may make an impact.

[Aozenee]

The Dockers list is young and looking settled.... I would imagine anyone drafted will spend quite a few years at WAFL level so that could be a benefit to Perth.

The Eagles however could be a revolving door with some players for a while.

Perth cannot just expect this new WAFL policy to just fix all their problems. They still need to recruit and plan hard if they want results... Peel too.

[massons]

I am dead set against giving Perth and Peel all the allocated AFL players. My club should say no thanks. Playing WAFL is not their main priority and once they earn their stripes they get called up and they don't train with us which makes it very difficult for the coach. Even if we were lucky enough to pick up a Ryan Murphy type, no doubt he would get an AFL call up when we need him.

It is too unsettling and i reckon our own players would look for opportunities elsewhere because they are getting squeezed out. To me it is an easy and lazy way to try and fix the problem. Like it or not, clubs who are continually down the bottom need help. Giving them 18 yr old AFL draftee's will not fix the problem.

In fact I would go the other way and spread all AFL draftee's amongst all the clubs in order from last to first like it used to be done.

[boiffrona]

Besides the fact that i don't think it would work i plead with my footy club dont go down this path.

It would be a useless exercise,we would get all the other clubs and there fans offside and in the end 5 years down the track the WAFC will can it because it was a flop.

Get your act together WAFC and get your act together PFC.
We have our new FM,appoint a good coach,give some cash for recruiting and for christ sake cover all areas that need to be covered on field.
Don't rely on 18 year old eastern state rookies to pull us out of the crap,it wont work!

[BypeVupyide]

Also what happened to the colts Ruck of 09?

I think was Cam Kickett wasn't it? He hasn't come along as quickly as we'd have liked. But if we hold onto him, hopefully if might come good with another year under his belt

[uC4F0NVL]

Love your work Satan,"we will make the 9 and win at least 1 game"

[WeestDype]

Given that we have won the wooden spoon we get first pick of the AFL recruits.
If we are to share them with Peel we could pick the bones that we want and pass on the rest.
Surely we don't have to take players that don't fit with us.
It will be an interesting draft as there may be the odd mature age player from another state (particularly a rookie) who may be an ideal addition for us.

[markkisil]

Don’t tell me the PFC is actually going to agree to this??? Biggest cop out in WAFL history if that is the case...

[mealiusarses]

No cop out SFFC.
IMO the commisiion will force this on Perth & Peel but I don't believe either club will take up all picks.
eg... say, 8 interstate draftees perhaps either club may be interested in only a couple each and pass on the rest. They will not want to be burdened with players they don't want or need.
The end result Clubs 5,6 & 7 may get the chance to pick the rest.

[emingeRek]

No cop out SFFC.
IMO the commisiion will force this on Perth & Peel but I don't believe either club will take up all picks.
eg... say, 8 interstate draftees perhaps either club may be interested in only a couple each and pass on the rest. They will not want to be burdened with players they don't want or need.
The end result Clubs 5,6 & 7 may get the chance to pick the rest.

Look i as a Perth supporter dont want this but fans are kidding if they think this will help Perth and Peel climb up the ladder,it wont.

I reckon what will happen(if this takes place)clubs like South will be the big winners because the promising young kids at Perth and Peel will not want to compete for a spot against an 18 year old rookie from out of town.

Theres a lot of if's in this.......
Firstly what happens if the majority of players drafted come from WA?They stay at there own wafl club,no advantages there!
Lets say 5 come from over east thats 3 at one club 2 at the other,do you honestly believe thats going to benefit the clubs greatly,i doubt it.The bottom club gets 2 picks as it stands now.
Out of the 5 how many would be instant hits??
Gone are the days of getting a Ryan Murphy,good wafl player not so good afl.He has stayed on the Dockers list for probably 3 years more than he should have.

Yeah there 1 point players,play them into form who do they play for,there wafl team or afl team?
Theres no advantage in fact i reckon we will be disadvantaged,loss of up and comers to other clubs and being forced to play ordinary footballers in possies you dont need them.
look at Silvagni,Barlow etc..how many wafl games did they play this season???

The other thing to add here is,how much good young talent is going to be left after the Gold Coast have there picks?The quality wont be there especially when the Dockers get there picks.
This is purely token nothing more,there is no way in hell this will advantage Perth and Peel not from the lowly position these clubs are coming from.How many of these drafted kids would get a game at Swans and Claremont???



Hey SFFC have you changed your opinion on this?I thought i read a post from you where you said it was the least the wafc could have done?
I agree with Smokey on the way the picks should go if this is introduced.

[duexjepevef]

Hey SFFC have you changed your opinion on this?I thought i read a post from you where you said it was the least the wafc could have done?
I agree with Smokey on the way the picks should go if this is introduced.

30+ yes & no....when I 1st read the plan didnt realise it was ALL players...agreed what smokey has suggested as believe this would be the best course of action for both Perth & Peel