[Raj_Copi_Jin]

With the rising price of fossil fuels this time we take a look at an unlikely source that we all rely upon that could enable us to forever escape the grip of multinational oil companies.

The Voice - Water Works

Duration - 16 minutes 38 seconds
File Size - 3.80mb
Recording Date - July 8, 2008.

[Lt_Apple]

If Stanley Meyer was such a fraud then why was he murdered? I believe that there was more to his invention than has been revealed from official sources.

Most of these over unity forms of electrolysis may in fact be ZPE (zero point energy) devices such as those that have been developed by Professor Phillip Kanarev of 'Kuban Agrarian University' Crimea.

He holds the chair of theoretical mechanics at Kuban university so he's no backyard experimenter. His design was developed for the Russian space program, as such his patents were subject to security classification until recently. His arguments are presented with complex mathematical proofs, and as such are difficult to follow although quite compelling in their logic.

The laws of thermodynamics apply only to heat engines, and are not universal paradigms. I worked enough proofs on these laws when studying thermodynamics to realise their limitations.

As for the constant rant about perpetual motion machines being impossible, get real you're living on and in a perpetual motion machine. Google Prof Kanarev, and after that try Eugene Mallov who incidentally was murdered 'crime unsolved'.

[Beerinkol]

How about this possibillity!

Can fuel be made from something other than oil?

In a word "yes."

Biomass, but the current biomass solution, corn, makes no sense.

Here's an alternative which does make sense.

Is is the ultimate solution? I don't know, but clearly there is a solution
to the fuel "crisis."

http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/359.html

- Brasscheck

[TorryJens]

You've got to laugh at this one

Did you know that the First World War
was fought over...Iraqi oil?

Check it out:

http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/32.html

[LottiFurmann]

How about this possibillity!

Can fuel be made from something other than oil?

In a word "yes."

Biomass, but the current biomass solution, corn, makes no sense.

Here's an alternative which does make sense.

Is is the ultimate solution? I don't know, but clearly there is a solution
to the fuel "crisis."

http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/359.html

- Brasscheck

A far better solution is Thermal Depolymerisation which creates bio-diesel from animal waste as well as car tyres etc. Another is the Plasma Conversion process which could solve our landfill problem whilst creating hydrogen and building products. I have discussed both in earlier episodes.

[doctorzlo]

Okay 'Trouble' lets get this debate off the slaughter room floor and refine this
debate on just what energy and the Aether have to offer us.


Mate, you quoted:
Suddenly, with no warning whatever, the water disappeared from the open quartz tube. He looked up thinking to see the water splashed on the ceiling, when, to his amazement, a clean hole went right through the ceiling. [!] The hole was the same size as the inside of the quartz tube. [!] Further investigation showed the hole continued on through the roof also! [!]
And the tube was made of quartz?... Not gun-barrel steel?... You have to ask a question like that, don't you?

--- On Tue, 29/7/08, heroay wrote:

From: heroay
Subject: Verification of Frequency to produce Etheric Force from Water - CAUTION!! Water can be... DEADLY!
To: "flagstone"
Received: Tuesday, 29 July, 2008, 3:34 AM


Stanley Meyer, seems like i was right after all...............( * ) He got greedy, and paid with his life.

"...An interesting idea since piezo transducers (any transducer) can be tuned to any frequency, but has the greatest energy transfer at its resonant frequency. So you could very well use an off the shelf piezo [crystal] rated at 32khz (its natural resonant frequency) and simply power it at 42.8khz. .."

Here is one simple way to try and duplicate the experiment... Input voltage can be from 5 to 15 volts. Ra and Rb are not standard, but can be configured with series resistors and pots. READ THE WARNING BEFORE PLAYING WITH THIS CIRCUIT!!



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09/10/89 - This is an excerpt from a document graciously provided by Dan A. Davidson from his book "A Breakthrough to New Free Energy Sources". The entire document is listed at KeelyNet as DANART1.TXT should you wish to study it. Dan can be contacted at Dan Davidson.

The file has been excerpted because of a recent post indicating a cheaper way to carry out the experiment. That post is at the end of this file.

Note: This file is being posted PURELY for information. Any attempt at duplication could be HIGHLY DANGEROUS. If you choose to experiment with water dissociation as described in this file, you take full responsibility for any damages or personal injury which might result from your actions.

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Verification of Frequency to produce
Etheric Force from Water - 12/20/97
A recent (1965) possible verification of the frequency Keely used to dissociate water into etheric force was related to me by a scientist when we were discussing certain aspects of free energy. He wishes to remain anonymous for obvious reasons, but his name is on file. I have no other verification of this experiment, however I believe it merits telling.

The scientist, I shall call him Dr. X, was doing experiments with ultrasonic sound in a column of water. The object of the experiments was to devise a means of separating various densities of materials by injecting them into a column of water which was subjected to an ultrasonic standing wave vibration. The experimental setup is sketched in Figure 3-3 (for BBS considerations a description follows).

A Barium Titanate ultrasonic transducer was fixed to the bottom of a quartz tube which was closed at the bottom and open at the top. Pure water was poured into the tube and the water column was "tuned" so that a standing wave was produced at 40,000 CPS (cycles per second). The transducer was powered by a 700 Watt power amplifier which was driven by an ultrasonic frequency generator.

Because of the large amount of power put into the column of water a certain amount of evaporation took place at a constant rate when the transducer was energized. Therefore, to maintain a standing wave in the water column a feedback device caused the frequency to be raised as the water evaporated and the temperature changed.

As a test, Dr. X decided to run through the experiment with only water in the tube to insure that a standing wave was maintained as the water evaporated and the frequency rose higher and higher. When the experiment was started everything worked beautifully.

Dr. X took periodic readings of his instrumentation and was assured that the standing wave was being maintained. Suddenly, with no warning whatever the water disappeared from the open quartz tube. He looked up thinking to see the water splashed on the ceiling when to his amazement a clean hole went right through the ceiling. The hole was the same size as the inside of the quartz tube.

Further investigation showed the hole continued on through the roof also! Dr. X checked his notebook and found the last frequency entry to be 41,300 CPS. It was shortly after this that the water disappeared.

Because of the time interval between the last reading and the disappearing water, the frequency sent to the transducer was higher than the last reading and Dr. X said it could well have been very close to 42,800 CPS, the Keely dissociation frequency. (11)

This obviously dangerous event caused Dr. X to dismantle the equipment and try some other approach to his problem. This experiment points the way to the use of our modern technology in conjunction with Keely's laws of dissociation to change matter into energy without the use of radioactive materials or extremely expensive atomic accelerators.

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The following was from a post received on 12/20/97. The names have been removed for privacy.

"A friend of mine, suggested modifying an ultrasonic humidifier (replacing the frequency tuning resistor with a variable resistor) such that it could be adjusted to operate at the 42k frequency requisite for the separation of H2O into it's constituent parts (I haven't tried it). The power level of the humidifier may be inadaquate for the job, however."

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An interesting idea since piezo transducers (any transducer) can be tuned to any frequency, but has the greatest energy transfer at its resonant frequency. So you could very well use an off the shelf piezo rated at 32khz (its natural resonant frequency) and simply power it at 42.8khz.

It would require the establishment and maintenance of a standing wave to properly disrupt the molecular bonds.

Since the container used by Dr. X was open ended, what happens if you carry out this experiment in a sealed container, say in a piston chamber? Maybe a single cylinder lawnmower or motorcycle engine?

Or would it be more efficient to contain the explosive energy in a pressure tank which would then run the engine, much like the BOESE liquid nitrogen engine or the Airmotor powered automobile.

In Keely's experiments with water dissocation in the late 1800's, on many occasions he had explosions that burst iron tubes and in one case blew out the side of his lab. He wound up in the hospital with broken ribs and major bruises.

The iron pipes had a needle size hole through 1" and 2" thick iron, which were burst like balloons. Measurements of the force produced from water dissociation based on his experiments quoted "3 drops of water, instantaneously dissociated (in a spherical chamber) to produce 29,000 pounds per square inch".

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Recently we learned that the Water Disrupting Spark Plug promoted around 1994 by Stan Meyers was in fact suggested to him by Dale Pond at a conference in Switzerland back in 1989. The idea was you should be able to use Keely's 42.8khz emitted from a spark plug to instantly dissociate the water molecule to hydrogen and oxygen which would then be exploded to drive the piston.

( * ) Meyer took this idea, claimed it as his own and never credited Dale with the idea. He cannot patent it because it was disclosed in a public place in the presence of witnesses. Needless to say, like all of Meyer's other claims, nothing has come of it.

This is a further indication of how certain people try to capitalize on others' ideas and are not to be trusted...hide your wallets. Check out Dale's SVPVril Website.

If you choose to carry out experiments in this area, please share your findings, whether failures or successes with us here at KeelyNet. Thanks!

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[MannoFr]

Whose 'Einstien' creepy little Patent Office thief.

COMPARED TO GENIUS LIKE THIS.

Come on 'Trouble' you've been living to long in the sun, out there with all
those demented darkies. Although they'd make excellent feed stock for your
'Thermal Depoler.......whatever it is.

This 'Trouble is energy limitless and eternal




09/10/89 - This document is graciously provided by Dan A.

Davidson from his book "A Breakthrough to New Free Energy Sources".

We of VANGUARD SCIENCES wish to publicly thank Dan for his

willingness to share the result of his researches on John Keely.



Chapter 3



KEELY



"In questions of Science the Authority of

a Thousand is not worth the humble reasoning

of a single individual."



The "Scientific American" in their January 28, 1899, and

February 4, 1899, issues spent four pages debunking Keely and his

experiments. However, they would have spent even more time and pages

debunking our current semiconductors and other now-common scientific

inventions if someone had been able to come up with any of them at

that time--science and technology were not advanced enough then to

understand the sophisticated functioning of such items. Now, in

light of our advances and our greater understanding and hopefully our

more broadened outlook in the field of science, I think it behooves

us to look again at John Keely, the man and his experiments, and see

if perhaps he was just ahead of his time and that now there may be

premises we can utilize or lines of research we can pursue to our

great advantage.



The entire thesis of the "Scientific American" articles was that

Keely's scientific career had been nothing but a series of frauds

perpetrated on gullible, unthinking people who were incapable of

understand ng enough science to disprove his wild claims. (1,2,3)

This in spite of the fact that many noted men of science, including

such as Joseph M. Leidy, M.D., of Pennsylvania University, James M.

Wilcox, M.D., author and noted physician, and many others, thoroughly

examined Keely's inventions, his laboratory, and the scientific

demonstrations performed by Keely and could find no fraud of any

kind. In fact they were completely convinced as to the validity of

Keely's achievements and his competence in the scientific method. (4)



GRAVITY AND KEELY'S "AERIAL PROPELLER"



The basis for the cries of fraud centered around the finding of

a large hollow iron sphere "hidden" under the floor boards of Keely's

laboratory.



After Keely's untimely death several investigators from

"Scientific American" went to Keely's old laboratory looking for

evidence to support their fraud thesis. (2) They thought they had

found what they were looking for when they lifted a couple of

floorboards and found a large (four feet in diameter) cast iron

sphere from which protruded pieces of broken pipe. The sphere was

estimated to weigh 6,625 pounds and have a bursting strength of

28,000 pounds per square inch.



This event revived the charge brought against him during his

lifetime of using compressed air to perform his miraculous feats

which if true could have earned Keely a fortune from compressed air

inventions.



A newspaper article written while Keely was still living tells

the story of the iron sphere. It seems that the newshound who wrote

the article had gone to see Keely for possible newsworthy

information. He found the inventor in his laboratory tearing a large

hole in the floor. Keely greeted the reporter but did not seem to be

in a talkative mood as he appeared quite busy. After enlarging the

hole, Keely attached a strange belt with several mechanisms built

into it to his waist. He then attached a thin wire leading from the

belt to a large sphere resting in the corner of the laboratory.



After a few moments of intense concentration by Keely the

ponderous globe slowly lifted a few inches from the floor. Keely

then "floated" the iron sphere over to the hole in the floorboards

and allowed the huge mass to settle gently to the ground below the

floor level. After a few adjustments to the belt mechanism Keely

again seemed lost in rapt concentration. This time the globe slowly

but inexorably settled itself into the earth, buried by the opposite

of levitation; namely, supergravity. Keely had evidently caused the

apparent mass of the sphere to increase to such an extent that it

sank into the firm earth much as a heavy rock sinks into mud. The

inventor told the reporter that he was merely making room in his lab

and clearing away outmoded equipment.



This demonstration of Keely's control of gravity should have put

to bed forever the humbug about compressed air but people believe

pretty much as they want or are told to believe. Keely had used the

sphere many years previous as a storage reservoir for etheric vapor

but improvements in force generation obsoleted the necessity for

storage. (4) He was by then able to conduct the force through

specially treated wires made of precious metals. (4)



While Major Ricarde-Seaver, F.R.S., was in Philadelphia, he

witnessed this same gravity belt in operation. The Major saw Keely

move a large 500 horsepower vibratory engine from one part of his lab

to another. The astounded engineer pronounced the feat impossible

without the aid of a crane which would have meant the removal of the

roof of the laboratory. The gravity belt was but one step towards

Keely's "airship" or "aerial navigator" as he called it. (4)



By 1896 Keely had perfected his system to the point where he had

built and demonstrated his airship to the press as well as the War

Department (now the Department of Defense). The craft was a circular

platform about 6 feet in diameter. (11) Mounted on it was a small

stool placed before a keyboard. Attached to the keyboard were a

collection of finely tuned resonation plates and vibratory

mechanisms. (14) Keely explained that when these plates were

polarized with "negative attraction" the craft would rise and float

above the ground. (11) The craft was now under the influence of the

etheric polar current. By damping out certain notes Keely caused the

airship to accelerate to any desired speed. (11) When the War

Department witnessed his demonstration in an open field the airship

went from zero velocity to 500 miles per hour within a few seconds.

There were NO ACCELERATION EFFECTS TO KEELY who was sitting before

the keyboard on the stool in the open air and controlling the

airship. The government officials, although impressed, could see no

use for the complex device so did not pursue the matter further.



(The Wright brothers did not demonstrate their airplane at Kittyhawk,

N.C., until December 17, 1903--7 years later!)



The controlling mechanism consisted of a row of 100 vibratory

bars representing the enharmonic and diatonic scales. When half of

the bars were damped the craft would move at 500 miles per hour. If

all the bars were damped, gravity would resume control and the craft

would settle to the earth. (14)



There were no moving parts in the ship's propelling mechanism.

It was unaffected by weather as it could rise above any storm. The

instrument for guiding the airship was distinctly different from the

propelling feature.



A vast improvement over greasy automobiles, noisy airplanes, and

brute force space rockets which hadn't even been invented yet!!!

You might think we have regressed instead of progressed in our so-

called "space-age".



THE MAN KEELY



John Ernst Worrell Keely may well have been one of the greatest

scientists of all time. And it is unfortunate that so few people

even know his name, much less the scientific system which he

developed. He is listed in the encyclopedia (8) as a fake and

imposter who tried to hoodwink the public and scientific

establishment of his day.



"KEELY, John Ernest