[triarmarm]

best player right now. dude is unstoppable.

[jhfkgkfdvjk]

I was just about to start an Agent Zero Appreciation thread.

I don't follow NBA basketball as closely as I do NCAA, but being that I live outside of DC I do find myself rooting for the Wizards.

And seeing what Arenas is doing this year makes it that much easier.

[Vomazoono]

go wildcats

[Alexunda]

And to think that he didn't get drafted until the second round still baffles me! Him and Michael Redd.


IMO he's the MVP, and is there a way that he could win the league's Most Improved Player of the year?

[vesiasmepay]

And to think that he didn't get drafted until the second round still baffles me! Him and Michael Redd.


IMO he's the MVP, and is there a way that he could win the league's Most Improved Player of the year?

If he wins the MVP then this sport has gone to hell. Lots of players can shoot lights out but he does not make his teamates better. Thats a true MVP. His assists aren't all that great and he's shoots like 43% from the field.

In order to win MVP you need to make your teamates better. With Jamison and Butler on that team he whould have a lot more than 6 assts per game. He's a great player who will get some steals, but not an MVP type player. Here's a good number for you. 5. Thats the amount of double doubles this guy has. Yea, give him the MVP.


And no there's not a chance for most improved player. That award will easily go to Kevin Martin.


Arenas was a good player last year as well. If you don't remember, he choked a big one in the playoffs and cost his team the cavs series.

[Slintreeoost]

If he wins the MVP then this sport has gone to hell. Lots of players can shoot lights out but he does not make his teamates better. Thats a true MVP. His assists aren't all that great and he's shoots like 43% from the field.

In order to win MVP you need to make your teamates better. With Jamison and Butler on that team he whould have a lot more than 6 assts per game. He's a great player who will get some steals, but not an MVP type player. Here's a good number for you. 5. Thats the amount of double doubles this guy has. Yea, give him the MVP.


And no there's not a chance for most improved player. That award will easily go to Kevin Martin.


Arenas was a good player last year as well. If you don't remember, he choked a big one in the playoffs and cost his team the cavs series.

No, actually the MVP should go to the person that makes his TEAM better, no mates needed.

I don't see how Butler and Jamison on the team should make his assist totals rise. Being the Wizards are the NBA games I get both players tend to like to get the ball and work one on one against their defenders. Don't know how he's supposed to get assists off that.

Yes, he did choke in the playoffs last year. But that was last year. People always compare the Lebrons and Wades of the world to MJ as soon as they put up good numbers and they always add, but no player works as hard as MJ to get better. I'll tell you this, Gilbert does.

[XangadsX]

If he wins the MVP then this sport has gone to hell. Lots of players can shoot lights out but he does not make his teamates better. Thats a true MVP. His assists aren't all that great and he's shoots like 43% from the field.

In order to win MVP you need to make your teamates better. With Jamison and Butler on that team he whould have a lot more than 6 assts per game. He's a great player who will get some steals, but not an MVP type player. Here's a good number for you. 5. Thats the amount of double doubles this guy has. Yea, give him the MVP.


And no there's not a chance for most improved player. That award will easily go to Kevin Martin.


Arenas was a good player last year as well. If you don't remember, he choked a big one in the playoffs and cost his team the cavs series.

Arenas winning the MVP will have nothing to do with this sport going to hell

The NBA went to hell a LONG time ago

[StitlyDute]

No, actually the MVP should go to the person that makes his TEAM better, no mates needed.

I don't see how Butler and Jamison on the team should make his assist totals rise. Being the Wizards are the NBA games I get both players tend to like to get the ball and work one on one against their defenders. Don't know how he's supposed to get assists off that.

Yes, he did choke in the playoffs last year. But that was last year. People always compare the Lebrons and Wades of the world to MJ as soon as they put up good numbers and they always add, but no player works as hard as MJ to get better. I'll tell you this, Gilbert does.

So because he's a hard worker he should get MVP? Maybe give him the rudy award. Arenas does not actively look to get his teamates involved, therefore he doesn't make his team a lot better than the other names thrown out there MVP. 5 double doubles. You've got to be kidding me if that qualifies you for the MVP now days.

Btw when you make your teamates better, you make your team better. Its the same thing

[gypearteday]

So because he's a hard worker he should get MVP? Maybe give him the rudy award. Arenas does not actively look to get his teamates involved, therefore he doesn't make his team a lot better than the other names thrown out there MVP. 5 double doubles. You've got to be kidding me if that qualifies you for the MVP now days.

Btw when you make your teamates better, you make your team better. Its the same thing

So it's no coincidence that when Arenas started tearing it up this year, his team went on quite a tear of winning too?

If you play well, and your team wins, and can't win without what you do, then you deserve at least being considered for the MVP award.

That said, Steve Nash is doing even more than Gilbert is this year. It's going to take a lot to knock him off of his MVP horse, and deservedly so.

[Obsententicab]

So because he's a hard worker he should get MVP? Maybe give him the rudy award. Arenas does not actively look to get his teamates involved, therefore he doesn't make his team a lot better than the other names thrown out there MVP. 5 double doubles. You've got to be kidding me if that qualifies you for the MVP now days.

Btw when you make your teamates better, you make your team better. Its the same thing

Did I say he should get MVP because he's a hard worker? No, I did not. Thanks for yet again providing insight on nothing. Him being a hard worker was in reference to your bringing up his missed FTs in the playoffs last year. Again, last year is last year.

Also, making your team/teammates better does not go hand in hand and is completly subjective. For years it was repeatedly said AI doesn't make his teammates better. Say what you will on that front, he certainly made the team a hell of a lot better. So obviously it's not the same thing.

Hmm, double doubles being a requesite for winning MVP, that's rich. So a player gaining double doubles with 17 points and 10 boards is a far greater acheivement than a guy putting up 30+ points and 6 assits. Got it.

What other names are being thrown out there for MVP this year? The only one I've heard so far is Nash (obviously the supreme being in making teammates better, granted it doesn't carry over to the defensive end, but who needs it).

[Nwxffgke]

Did I say he should get MVP because he's a hard worker? No, I did not. Thanks for yet again providing insight on nothing. Him being a hard worker was in reference to your bringing up his missed FTs in the playoffs last year. Again, last year is last year.

Also, making your team/teammates better does not go hand in hand and is completly subjective. For years it was repeatedly said AI doesn't make his teammates better. Say what you will on that front, he certainly made the team a hell of a lot better. So obviously it's not the same thing.

Hmm, double doubles being a requesite for winning MVP, that's rich. So a player gaining double doubles with 17 points and 10 boards is a far greater acheivement than a guy putting up 30+ points and 6 assits. Got it.

What other names are being thrown out there for MVP this year? The only one I've heard so far is Nash (obviously the supreme being in making teammates better, granted it doesn't carry over to the defensive end, but who needs it).

Guy shoots 43% from the floor. And averages 6 asst per game. Sounds similar to AI so I can definetly see why sixers fans would say he deserves it. Now I respect your basketball opinion but the guys numbers(not play) are just like AI's. Low FG%, high ppg, and average assts.

Wade- 28ppg and 8 assts. He's the only good player on this team when shaq isn't there. When shaq comes back this team won't have a losing record anymore. He also shoots like 48%. Arenas has Jamison and Butler. Who does Wade have? He's a SG(been playing a lot of point though) and has 8 assists per game

Nash-I didn't think he should of got the MVP 2 years ago. Last year he desrved it and this year, how can anyone argue that.

Dirk-I hate the man until he wins me a ring but when you've got the best team in the league and only one all star player on it. Then he deserves to get some looks.

Kobe-Carrying the team without Odom and has totally changed his game this year finally, to better suit this team. He, unlike arenas, is not a me first player on every possesion now. He also shoots like 48%, plays some of the best defense in the league at sg, chooses to guard their best player(aka wade last night). He's an all around player. He's a SG and has one less Asst per game then PG Arenas)

And to answer your question is 17 and 10 better than 31 and 6. Of course not. But when you have 5 double doubles. You are a one dimensional player. You can score, but can you do anything else?

Everyone of the players mentioned above is more than just a scoring threat. They look for their teamates, they player great defense, or they go and board. They also take smarter shoots and because of that shot a lot better FG%.

[Obebtetibre]

[quote=Morgasm]So it's no coincidence that when Arenas started tearing it up this year, his team went on quite a tear of winning too?

If you play well, and your team wins, and can't win without what you do, then you deserve at least being considered for the MVP award.
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So Billups and Redd deserve as much MVP consideration as Arenas? Their teams can't win without them obviously.


That statement can be pretty much made about almost every team decent to good team in the league. Duncan and Lebron are two others. Most teams can't win without their star player.

[Innoloinarp]

Arenas is MVP so far.

Watch him not get voted into the All-star facade.

[2CNWXAqN]

Arenas is MVP so far.

Watch him not get voted into the All-star facade.

Over Nash? How? Do you follow basketball that much or just watch sportscenter? Not trying to be rude. Just don't understand how anyone can give it to arenas. Even the two people on here that said he deserves to be mentioned don't think he should get it over Nash

I think anyone that is a vivid NBA fan would give it to Nash hands down.

[diplmixxxx]

[quote=Hofinator10]

So it's no coincidence that when Arenas started tearing it up this year, his team went on quite a tear of winning too?

If you play well, and your team wins, and can't win without what you do, then you deserve at least being considered for the MVP award.
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So Billups and Redd deserve as much MVP consideration as Arenas? Their teams can't win without them obviously.


That statement can be pretty much made about almost every team decent to good team in the league. Duncan and Lebron are two others. Most teams can't win without their star player.

I don't set the criteria for MVP voting.

But seriously, if you watch Arenas play at all, you know that he's a special talent.

If Lebron and Duncan put up similar numbers to Gilbert, and their team wins b/c of it, then they most certainly deserve consideration as well. No doubt about it. Same goes for Chauncey and Redd.

Right now, Gilbert is playing out of his mind on offense. I don't think he's as complete a player as some of the other guys- Kobe, Wade, Nash, etc... but he is carrying his team right now, and is near impossible to stop. He needs to keep winning all year, and advance a round or 2 in the playoffs before he can be called MVP though. That goes for just about every guy who might be considered.

[Reafnartefs]

Is shooting 43% on field goals really that horrible?

Especially for someone who takes a lot of shots, many of which are outside of the three point line.

[mosypeSom]

I don't even care about the NBA, but I'll chime in since I see Hof is using his random hatred of somebody to completely cloud his judgement again (its what he does best).

2nd in points. 13th in assists. He has led his team into solid playoff position when they'd have absolutely no chance without him. And since when is double double the all mighty of stats? 30 points and 9 assists isn't as good as 12 points and 10 rebounds? Double doubles? Are you fricking kidding me?? Arenas is obviously a strong MVP candidate.

[ManHolDenPoker]

Over Nash? How? Do you follow basketball that much or just watch sportscenter? Not trying to be rude. Just don't understand how anyone can give it to arenas. Even the two people on here that said he deserves to be mentioned don't think he should get it over Nash

I think anyone that is a vivid NBA fan would give it to Nash hands down.

Hof if you can't keep your posts from being personally maybe you shouldnt post.

You CONSTANTLY question people intelligence when they have a differing opinion then you.

And when someone says " I'M NOT TRYING TO BE RUDE " that means they ARE trying to be rude.

[Soadiassy]

Is shooting 43% on field goals really that horrible?

Especially for someone who takes a lot of shots, many of which are outside of the three point line.

At one time I coule have probably been able to calculate what shooting 39% from 3pt range would average out to converting it for points, a las no more.

[freevideoandoicsI]

Hof if you can't keep your posts from being personally maybe you shouldnt post.

You CONSTANTLY question people intelligence when they have a differing opinion then you.

And when someone says " I'M NOT TRYING TO BE RUDE " that means they ARE trying to be rude.

I wouldn't say they ARE trying to be rude, just that they KNOW they are being rude.