[radikal]

@Nerd - To be fair to Baradwaj Rangan - he was writing a piece on sophomore efforts of Susindran and Pandiraj and he was complementing Pandiraj in that light alone.

I have a different take on Vamsam - which I liked it as a good screenplay, but as a content there were many regressive elements in it which makes it a pot of milk with drops of poison.

[9mm_fan]

Jaiganes:

Nice thread!

[Ifroham4]

jaiganes: If you see SAC's influence on Shankar creativity. Do you see BM's influence on Bala's work.

Bala never has got influenced by (or copied) hollywood films. But BM cant think of anything original!

[Drugmachine]

Originally Posted by thamiz jaiganes: If you see SAC's influence on Shankar creativity. Do you see BM's influence on Bala's work.

Bala never has got influenced (or copy) hollywood films. But BM cant think of anything original!

BM's influence on Bala's work is absolutely evident!!
It thankfully (or not) is not in the choice of subjects, but in scene setting, drama and narration.
In case of shankar and SAC - prime theme always involves around human corruption and intervening role of law and justice (court climaxes or people courts aplenty)... Well, in endhiran, the PLOT is way off from the problems SAC (court, law blah blah) used to address or not?

[S.T.D.]

In case of shankar and SAC - prime theme always involves around human corruption and intervening role of law and justice (court climaxes or people courts aplenty)...

ஆஹா! ரொம்பவே நல்லாப் போகுது திரி. நடத்துங்க! SAC-ஐ ஷங்கரோடு ஒப்பிடும் எந்த விமர்சகரைக் காட்டிலும் ஒரு சாதாரண வெகுஜன மனிதரின் பார்வை தரமானது என நினைக்கிறேன்.

இன்றைய விமர்சகர்களால் ஷங்கர் மதிக்கப்பட நாமெல்லாம் இன்னும் 25 வருடங்கள் பொறுத்திருக்க வேண்டும். அன்றைய நாளில் SAC-ஐ எல்லாம் ஒரு இயக்குனராக மதிக்காத விமர்சகர்கள் இன்றைக்கு அவரையும் மதிப்பதைப் போல, நாளை இன்னொரு இயக்குனர் வணிக ரீதியாக வெற்றியடையும் போது ஷங்கரின் அருமைகள், பெருமைகள் எல்லாம் தோண்டி எடுக்கப்படும்.

[softy54534]

Originally Posted by jaiganes In case of shankar and SAC - prime theme always involves around human corruption and intervening role of law and justice (court climaxes or people courts aplenty)...

ஆஹா! ரொம்பவே நல்லாப் போகுது திரி. நடத்துங்க! SAC-ஐ ஷங்கரோடு ஒப்பிடும் எந்த விமர்சகரைக் காட்டிலும் ஒரு சாதாரண வெகுஜன மனிதரின் பார்வை தரமானது என நினைக்கிறேன். Again you are confusing content with capability. shankar's credentials as a mega director on a huge scale and his successes are not being compared or discussed here.
Also vegujanam is not free from opinions . most ppls blogs are pretty much vegu janam opinion only. But days when crap content could be protected from criticism in the guise of "paamara janaranjagam" are over.

[S.T.D.]

Also vegujanam is not free from opinions . most ppls blogs are pretty much vegu janam opinion only. But days when crap content could be protected from criticism in the guise of "paamara janaranjagam" are over.

But sadly, good content being protected from crap reviews and analysis, cynical and pessimistic criticism with usage of sophisticated English verbiage, in the name of intellect, A-class, literate, and global tastes, and what not is far from over yet!

[NeroASERCH]

Originally Posted by jaiganes Also vegujanam is not free from opinions . most ppls blogs are pretty much vegu janam opinion only. But days when crap content could be protected from criticism in the guise of "paamara janaranjagam" are over.

But sadly, good content being protected from crap reviews and analysis, cynical and pessimistic criticism with usage of sophisticated English verbiage, in the name of intellect, A-class, literate, and global tastes, and what not is far from over yet! that is just beginning... Andho enna paridhaabam..

[Ifroham4]

In all the discussions, what I find curious is the notion that any criticism of Shankar has to be intellectual snobbery. Why? Why is Shankar above Criticism? Why am I obliged to say good of his movies and him just because a lot of people like them?
Bay, why can't you simply accept that he cannot be engaging to 100 percent of the population? Why do you have to hide under "ivaingalukku shankar pidikkaadhu adhaan poi solraanga"?

Why this insecurity? Ofcourse, he is not IR or ARR or Maniratnam or Kamal/Rajini in talent and stature so insecurity is bound to be there among people who want to somehow elevate him to the same status... I can understand that

[9mm_fan]

Why this insecurity? Ofcourse, he is not IR or ARR or Maniratnam or Kamal/Rajini in talent and stature so insecurity is bound to be there among people who want to somehow elevate him to the same status... I can understand that

Adhaan idikudhu!...when someone is trying to elevate him to the status of Maniratnam - noone has issues. But when someone tries to pull down (according to them) to SAC.....adhu mattum aagaadhaa?

[Paul Bunyan]

Adhaan idikudhu!...when someone is trying to elevate him to the status of Maniratnam - noone has issues. But when someone tries to pull down (according to them) to SAC.....adhu mattum aagaadhaa?

Yes, yes, try equating IR with SAR...

[doctorzlo]

Originally Posted by Vivasaayi Adhaan idikudhu!...when someone is trying to elevate him to the status of Maniratnam - noone has issues. But when someone tries to pull down (according to them) to SAC.....adhu mattum aagaadhaa?

Yes, yes, try equating IR with SAR... enna NOV moththama oru 5 paer iruppoma IRai side vangaradhukku?
IR oru garvee, humility illaadha aalu. SAR panivin uchcham appdinu sollungaLen andha 5 paer kooda sari dhaannu sollitu poitte iruppOm. Unga pseudo intellectual credentialsai certify panna maattom.

[NeroASERCH]

Who said he has to engage 100%? I am just saying you cannot claim that the small % that is not impressed by Shankar is not honest, which is what Bay, venkkiram and co. are saying(Venkki went to the extent of bringing in veLakkamAru ). Why is this hard to understand?

Nov, if you think calmly, you(and everyone here) will accept that

IR:SAR != Shankar:SAC
You dont have to agree oublicly but unga manasukkuLLayE indha equation sariyA thappAnnu yOsichukOnga. nyAyam dharmamnu oNNu irukku.

[Slonopotam845]

Who said he has to engage 100%? I am just saying you cannot claim that the small % that is not impressed by Shankar is not honest, which is what Bay, venkkiram and co. are saying(Venkki went to the extent of bringing in veLakkamAru ). Why is this hard to understand?

Nov, if you think calmly, you(and everyone here) will accept that

IR:SAR != Shankar:SAC
You dont have to agree oublicly but unga manasukkuLLayE indha equation sariyA thappAnnu yOsichukOnga. nyAyam dharmamnu oNNu irukku.

IR:SAR ku pogavae vendam...
Shankar:SAC thevai illainnu thaan solraanga..
Adhey nyayam dharmathoda ellorum ninacha indha unmaiyum puriyum..

Shankar padam pudikalainaa..pudikalainnu sollittu poitae irukalaamla.. Yaarum adhukku onnumae solla maataangannu ninaikkiren.. Adhu yaen SAC kooda compare pannanum??

[Beerinkol]

Padam pArkarachE SAC gnAbagam vandhadhAl dhAne avvARu kUrinOm?

80's la neraiya SAC padam pArthadhu en kuththamA irukkalAm. If most of you know the 80s SAC first hand, as Jai does, you can see where we are coming from.

IR(orARR or even vidyasagar) is SAR levelnu solRadhu is a totally different ball game. Idhu totally vidhandAvAdham

[brraverishhh]

Jai & Plum, my point has escaped you.
compare pannuratharkkum oru tharaatharam vEnumnu thaan naan sonnEn.

So, I definitely agree with your equation of IR:SAR = Shankar:SAC
meaning, that these kind of comparison is ridiculous!

END

[HedgeYourBets]

Shankar, SAC kooda irundhadhu very less time..May be only in 1990..Seetha also released that year...

He was with Pavithran more time than SAC.. Shankarae, SAC kitta irundha onnum velaikku aagadhunnu thaan veliyilae vandhu irupparu.. Idhula avar kitta irundhu kathukittu vandhaarnu solradhu namba mudiyadhu...

[Ifroham4]

karthik, you still havent understood. I am not going into what Shankar learnt from SAC, viceversa, level of skills even.
Simple statement - watching Endhiran, I felt once again that Shankar's sensibility matches a lot with SAC. ivLO dhAn matter. For example, if you can say my sensibility matches with Jai(correct or not), it is just a function of what we are at this moment. It doesnt mean he shaped my sensibility or vice versa, although reading each other might have had a miniscule effect of influencing each other. Bottom line, it so happens that the net result of our growing up times, the influences we had seem to be that a lot of our sensibilities match(and some emphatically dont), although I know him only for a very brief time, and that, too, as a virtual being.

idhai oru personal insult on ShankarA eduthukka thevai illai.

[Peptobismol]

Athana directors/padam irukkum bodhu...yaen SAC padam mattum thaan kidachaadha compare panradhukku.. Assistant director ah irundhadhu naalathaanae.. Could be from lot of inspirations from many directors also..

I got what u r trying to say.. But why SAC???? vera director vachu compare pannunga pleaseee

[Ifroham4]

Btw Plum, do u like SAC's films?