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**HedgeYourBets** · 07-09-2008, 06:35 PM

Originally Posted by MADDY btw, wats the connexion betn St.Thomas and Valluvar??? were they of same period???

appadi thaan first post solluthu

St.Thomas is one among 12 apostals Jesus selected from his disiples ..So St.Thomas was of same age of Jesus ...Valluvar also beleived to live in 1st century .

**Drugmachine** · 07-09-2008, 06:35 PM

Originally Posted by MADDY btw, wats the connexion betn St.Thomas and Valluvar??? were they of same period???

appadi thaan first post solluthu

oh ok - maybe they will bring in "chaos theory" to connect the 2 characters

......

**Raj_Copi_Jin** · 07-09-2008, 06:38 PM

oh ok - maybe they will bring in "chaos theory" to connect the 2 characters ......

:P

**Slonopotam845** · 07-09-2008, 06:45 PM

I believe there was a novel about Valluvar-St.Thomas written by the novelist-critic Ka.Na.Subramaniam. Informed hubbers please comment.

**radikal** · 07-09-2008, 06:45 PM

There is controversy about his location Mylapore vs. Madurai.

Some claim he is from Naanjil Naadu (Kanyakumari)

**Fegasderty** · 07-09-2008, 06:50 PM

If we wait for dust to settle and clarity we can never make a single historical film. All of history is based on speculation and inference..

Veerapandiya kattabomman is good example ..Some claimed he was not at all a freedom fighter ,but a gang leader ,thief.

**Big A** · 07-09-2008, 07:00 PM

Originally Posted by Prabhu Ram If we wait for dust to settle and clarity we can never make a single historical film. All of history is based on speculation and inference..

Veerapandiya kattabomman is good example ..Some claimed he was not at all a freedom fighter ,but a gang leader ,thief. Joe,
But, Veerapandiya Kattabomman is all legend, no history. The makers obviously didn't seem to have any inclination to show how it all could have happened. And, yes, I completely agree with PR's point. Most times, we just don't know enough. I'd say, Ketan Mehta's 'Mangal Pandey' is a good example of a film that's made in such a realm.

**radikal** · 07-09-2008, 07:25 PM

Originally Posted by Prabhu Ram If we wait for dust to settle and clarity we can never make a single historical film. All of history is based on speculation and inference..

Veerapandiya kattabomman is good example ..Some claimed he was not at all a freedom fighter ,but a gang leader ,thief. To extend on your point about some claiming that he was a "gang leader" and a "theif": It's not hard to figure out that he'd not have been a quintessential democratic leader who worked only for people's welfare! But, the point is, even if he was a Feudal lord, the actual truth would be more nuanced. He was a Feudal lord who rebelled and refused to pay the taxes. That's what he's remembered for, and that's why he's considered a "hero," today.

P.S.:- My knowledge in this matter is elementary. I've just extrapolated from what I know of him on hearsay.

**S.T.D.** · 07-09-2008, 08:23 PM

Regarding Kattabomman, here is one the best posts I have read in the Hub.

**Ifroham4** · 07-09-2008, 08:54 PM

Thanks, PR. (Though I stumbled upon the same post myself just a while before I wrote the previous post!) I think it makes some excellent points. One is that we've to give due respect to the legend; how the said person came about to become part of the folklore.
The problem is that the various legends themselves don't add up to form a monolithic version of our history. I mean, many of them conflict with each other for obvious reasons. Subscribing to one version of these legends won't enable us to arrive at a sort of "it-should-have-been-something-like-this" version.

Anyway, pardon the digression. I hope people get back to talk about the Kamal-Rajini film. :P

**Drugmachine** · 07-09-2008, 09:09 PM

I hope people get back to talk about the Kamal-Rajini film. :P

**Peptobismol** · 07-10-2008, 05:44 AM

PR,

Its correct that accuracy in history in not possible.

but in the case of thiruvalluvar...there is no history at all

**Slonopotam845** · 07-11-2008, 12:14 AM

But I read articles from the net on St.Thomas that no such Saint Thomas from the West have visited the East.

Leo,
First of all ,St.Thomas was not a western missionary ,he was a apostale of Jesus from isrel.

**S.T.D.** · 07-16-2008, 12:17 AM

Originally Posted by leosimha But I read articles from the net on St.Thomas that no such Saint Thomas from the West have visited the East.

Leo,
First of all ,St.Thomas was not a western missionary ,he was a apostale of Jesus from isrel. Yes, Joe. I do know he was an Apostale of Jesus from Israel and my respects.

But what I wanted to convey was Saint Thomas didn't come from West (Israel) to East (India) as claimed or stories revolving.

**Raj_Copi_Jin** · 07-16-2008, 03:56 AM

But what I wanted to convey was Saint Thomas didn't come from West (Israel) to East (India) as claimed or stories revolving.

I see ..Neenga sonna sariya thaan irukkum

**HedgeYourBets** · 07-16-2008, 05:03 AM

Originally Posted by leosimha But what I wanted to convey was Saint Thomas didn't come from West (Israel) to East (India) as claimed or stories revolving.

I see ..Neenga sonna sariya thaan irukkum

I am no historian.

Please go through the articles I had earlier posted. There are some controversies surrounding the same for which no one can argue that it had happened or not happened.

Don't mistake me by coming to unnecessary conclusions. Based on the articles, I said so, for which it doesn't mean that I said it.

07-09-2008, 06:35 PM	#21
HedgeYourBets Join Date Aug 2008 Posts 4,655 Senior Member	Originally Posted by MADDY btw, wats the connexion betn St.Thomas and Valluvar??? were they of same period??? appadi thaan first post solluthu St.Thomas is one among 12 apostals Jesus selected from his disiples ..So St.Thomas was of same age of Jesus ...Valluvar also beleived to live in 1st century . Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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Drugmachine Join Date Apr 2006 Posts 4,490 Senior Member	Originally Posted by MADDY btw, wats the connexion betn St.Thomas and Valluvar??? were they of same period??? appadi thaan first post solluthu oh ok - maybe they will bring in "chaos theory" to connect the 2 characters ...... Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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07-09-2008, 06:38 PM	#23
Raj_Copi_Jin Join Date Oct 2005 Age 48 Posts 4,533 Senior Member	oh ok - maybe they will bring in "chaos theory" to connect the 2 characters ...... :P Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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07-09-2008, 06:45 PM	#24
Slonopotam845 Join Date Jan 2006 Posts 5,251 Senior Member	I believe there was a novel about Valluvar-St.Thomas written by the novelist-critic Ka.Na.Subramaniam. Informed hubbers please comment. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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07-09-2008, 06:45 PM	#25
radikal Join Date Oct 2005 Age 54 Posts 4,523 Senior Member	There is controversy about his location Mylapore vs. Madurai. Some claim he is from Naanjil Naadu (Kanyakumari) Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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07-09-2008, 06:50 PM	#26
Fegasderty Join Date Mar 2008 Posts 5,023 Senior Member	If we wait for dust to settle and clarity we can never make a single historical film. All of history is based on speculation and inference.. Veerapandiya kattabomman is good example ..Some claimed he was not at all a freedom fighter ,but a gang leader ,thief. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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07-09-2008, 07:00 PM	#27
Big A Join Date Oct 2005 Age 51 Posts 4,148 Administrator	Originally Posted by Prabhu Ram If we wait for dust to settle and clarity we can never make a single historical film. All of history is based on speculation and inference.. Veerapandiya kattabomman is good example ..Some claimed he was not at all a freedom fighter ,but a gang leader ,thief. Joe, But, Veerapandiya Kattabomman is all legend, no history. The makers obviously didn't seem to have any inclination to show how it all could have happened. And, yes, I completely agree with PR's point. Most times, we just don't know enough. I'd say, Ketan Mehta's 'Mangal Pandey' is a good example of a film that's made in such a realm. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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07-09-2008, 07:25 PM	#28
radikal Join Date Oct 2005 Age 54 Posts 4,523 Senior Member	Originally Posted by Prabhu Ram If we wait for dust to settle and clarity we can never make a single historical film. All of history is based on speculation and inference.. Veerapandiya kattabomman is good example ..Some claimed he was not at all a freedom fighter ,but a gang leader ,thief. To extend on your point about some claiming that he was a "gang leader" and a "theif": It's not hard to figure out that he'd not have been a quintessential democratic leader who worked only for people's welfare! But, the point is, even if he was a Feudal lord, the actual truth would be more nuanced. He was a Feudal lord who rebelled and refused to pay the taxes. That's what he's remembered for, and that's why he's considered a "hero," today. P.S.:- My knowledge in this matter is elementary. I've just extrapolated from what I know of him on hearsay. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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07-09-2008, 08:23 PM	#29
S.T.D. Join Date May 2008 Age 43 Posts 5,220 Senior Member	Regarding Kattabomman, here is one the best posts I have read in the Hub. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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07-09-2008, 08:54 PM	#30
Ifroham4 Join Date Apr 2007 Posts 5,196 Senior Member	Thanks, PR. (Though I stumbled upon the same post myself just a while before I wrote the previous post!) I think it makes some excellent points. One is that we've to give due respect to the legend; how the said person came about to become part of the folklore. The problem is that the various legends themselves don't add up to form a monolithic version of our history. I mean, many of them conflict with each other for obvious reasons. Subscribing to one version of these legends won't enable us to arrive at a sort of "it-should-have-been-something-like-this" version. Anyway, pardon the digression. I hope people get back to talk about the Kamal-Rajini film. :P Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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Drugmachine Join Date Apr 2006 Posts 4,490 Senior Member	I hope people get back to talk about the Kamal-Rajini film. :P Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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07-10-2008, 05:44 AM	#32
Peptobismol Join Date Oct 2005 Age 59 Posts 4,386 Senior Member	PR, Its correct that accuracy in history in not possible. but in the case of thiruvalluvar...there is no history at all Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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07-11-2008, 12:14 AM	#33
Slonopotam845 Join Date Jan 2006 Posts 5,251 Senior Member	But I read articles from the net on St.Thomas that no such Saint Thomas from the West have visited the East. Leo, First of all ,St.Thomas was not a western missionary ,he was a apostale of Jesus from isrel. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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07-16-2008, 12:17 AM	#34
S.T.D. Join Date May 2008 Age 43 Posts 5,220 Senior Member	Originally Posted by leosimha But I read articles from the net on St.Thomas that no such Saint Thomas from the West have visited the East. Leo, First of all ,St.Thomas was not a western missionary ,he was a apostale of Jesus from isrel. Yes, Joe. I do know he was an Apostale of Jesus from Israel and my respects. But what I wanted to convey was Saint Thomas didn't come from West (Israel) to East (India) as claimed or stories revolving. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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07-16-2008, 03:56 AM	#35
Raj_Copi_Jin Join Date Oct 2005 Age 48 Posts 4,533 Senior Member	But what I wanted to convey was Saint Thomas didn't come from West (Israel) to East (India) as claimed or stories revolving. I see ..Neenga sonna sariya thaan irukkum Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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07-16-2008, 05:03 AM	#36
HedgeYourBets Join Date Aug 2008 Posts 4,655 Senior Member	Originally Posted by leosimha But what I wanted to convey was Saint Thomas didn't come from West (Israel) to East (India) as claimed or stories revolving. I see ..Neenga sonna sariya thaan irukkum I am no historian. Please go through the articles I had earlier posted. There are some controversies surrounding the same for which no one can argue that it had happened or not happened. Don't mistake me by coming to unnecessary conclusions. Based on the articles, I said so, for which it doesn't mean that I said it. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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