[LottiFurmann]

Selva,
Regarding the climax part ,again let us agree to disagree.I didn't feel like 'Vakkiram' ,but I felt only the emotion behind it.

Regarding ,the reason for love is justifyable or not ,when people from other culture see this ,this may look odd ,but they will take it as there may be a cultural value behind this ..They will more concentrate on the flow and scenes rather than the reasons..I think they will take this better than usual duets.

[Beerinkol]

As I said earlier in somewhere, PV has more natural whereas Veyil has more feelings.

[brraverishhh]

Selva,
Btw, Unlike thinkfloyd I rate Veyil a very good movie and I enjoyed a lot .But I rate PV slightly higher than Veyil.

[Drugmachine]

Whereas PV had alot of those dancing in the intial part and kuthu dance in the middle with the dance troop which i felt was not at all necessary.Just my view.

Well, i thought the initial few minutes were superb in the film. Those are establishment scenes- establishing the characters, the culture, the sensibilities etc. The attention to detail shown is stunning. So is the BGM.

Fully agree with Selva that the 'romance' part sticks out like a sore thumb. This is can be said of the flashback sequences as well as the present scenes which lack depth and look contrived.
The stunt scene in the silambu ground was also poorly executed.
And Priya Mani's unconvincing performance didn't help either.
However, the worst scene for me is the scene where Priya Mani, out of the blue starts teaching carnatic music to the Village oldies. What the hell was that!?

The characterization is remarkable because you see characters we have rarely seen in Thamizh cinema. When was the last time we saw a protagonist who 'steals' a prostitute from a couple of 'truckers'? Or who feels his only identity and claim to fame is indicated by the time he does in prison or the kind of prison he goes to? You are waiting for that one scene where they show a redeeming quality in him, like a Robinhood-esque caricature that Tamil film dons and sandiyars are portrayed to be. But none comes. He is like that oNNLy!. indha madhiri characterization, adhuvum oru 'hero' ku kudukka dhairiyam venum. Adhu mattum illa, thaan nenachadha compromise seyyama (as far as possble) screen la kondu varadhu migavum paaratta thakka vishayam. Idhu en karuthu

[S.T.D.]

Stunt Sequences???

i think Veyyil was more natural than PV......in PV we had the usual "gaptain" stunts with ppl. flying all around.......

Ippadiyavathu Veyil-lai support pannureengale..Fine ..hopefully it is not because music done by ARR's akka paiyan

[Slonopotam845]

Stunt Sequences???

i think Veyyil was more natural than PV......in PV we had the usual "gaptain" stunts with ppl. flying all around.......

Watching the stunt scene in PV, i was wondering if somebody had been a 'substitute' director for Ameer while filming this. Utterly amateurish!

[NeroASERCH]

Originally Posted by kamalsurya Whereas PV had alot of those dancing in the intial part and kuthu dance in the middle with the dance troop which i felt was not at all necessary.Just my view.

Well, i thought the initial few minutes were superb in the film. Those are establishment scenes- establishing the characters, the culture, the sensibilities etc. The attention to detail shown is stunning. So is the BGM.

Maybe I don't understand the village sentiments, for guys who live in the urban side all the while will find it hard to relate with those scenes IMO

[HedgeYourBets]

Maybe I don't understand the village sentiments, for guys who live in the urban side all the while will find it hard to relate with those scenes IMO

I've never lived in a village

[Raj_Copi_Jin]

Selva,
Regarding the climax part ,again let us agree to disagree.I didn't feel like 'Vakkiram' ,but I felt only the emotion behind it.

Regarding ,the reason for love is justifyable or not ,when people from other culture see this ,this may look odd ,but they will take it as there may be a cultural value behind this ..They will more concentrate on the flow and scenes rather than the reasons..I think they will take this better than usual duets.

Joe,
I didn't speak anything bad about the climax in my previous reply. I just said that the movie will fit into that limits if we take away the climax from the movie. Like how SARAVANAN ( Sevvaazhai ) put in the JEYA TV Interview "The most important thing in the movie is the climax. The climax provided the necessary BANG. Otherwise, people would have come out of the theatre with the remark " Dei ... Comedy padam daa "" That says it all

Reg the romance part, sorry Joe. couldn't agree with you. I have seen many cute romance sequences in BR / etc's movies that were not only real but also a bit more natural. Had Ameer concentrated on the romance part, he could have won hands down for giving a "Classic". That part and other things makes PV from being a classic. "Nalla padangalil idhuvum ondru. aanaal sirantha padamaa? endru ennidam kettal ILLAI. The same applies partially to veyyil and I feel it deserves to be at the CANNES compared to PV" Again, Let us agree to disagree

Bala,
Agree with you fully on PV. The second paragraph Ameer is really bold in such things. btw, Tamil industry had already seen many heroes (not really heroes.. but actors) like that. There are many examples. Only thing is that: Such characters are tagged as "Negative characters" rather than as "Heroes"
I felt that had Ameer concentrated on romance (not sure the same guy gave Mounam pesiyathey) then he could have given a movie like "Moondram Pirai", "Guna" etc I didn't feel the pain of separation in the context of romance in PV when I left the theatre whereas the feel was for different reason ( IMHO)

[TorryJens]

On Veyyil:

One of the few things which I loved in VEYYIL is the "Veyilodu Vilayaadu" song. It just lists out an array of things the kids in the region will do ( at times by harvesting the solar energy )

1) Pouring Sand on the top of a paper and using the magnet and playing with the sand
2) Conducting a RACE with cycle tyres
3) Playing out in the rain continuously till it stops
4) Using thin films and a lens and screening a film
5) Playing "Kitti" under the hot sun ( Nowadays, it is cricket )
6) typical series of "PALTI"s
7) Pambaram vilayaadurathu
8) 3 kuzhi KOLI GUNDU ! :P

P.S: Too bad, I miss them

[Drugmachine]

Actually, there was one scene which many might not have noticed. Not sure though ! I enjoyed it being a THALA fan !

Meenahtchi : ungalukku enna paattu podanumga
Caller : hmm.. Mothalla PANT ah podu.. summa maariyaatha kovil thiruvizhavula irukkira maari thavani satta pottukittu. adutha thadava paniyan jeans podura
Meenahtchi : Saringa.. ungalukku enna paatu podanum
Caller : hmm .. THALA paatu podu :P
Meenahtchi : Thalayaa.. entha thalanga
Caller: ennathu THALA ya theriyaatha... Chinna kozhantha kooda sollum..
etc

I am not clear about the conversation. This is one scene which I didn't expect. :P

[Raj_Copi_Jin]

Looks like it is not being screened in the competition section. Wonder how long before a tamil movie competes for the Golden Palm!!

[NeroASERCH]

Looks like it is not being screened in the competition section. Wonder how long before a tamil movie competes for the Golden Palm!!

Good kostin!

[HedgeYourBets]

To put it in another way, the hero is a homogeneous mass of 'goodness' in almost all Tamil films.

There are handful of exceptions from old movies till now ..Since you agreed by saying 'almost all' instead of 'all' ,I no need to list here

[S.T.D.]

There are handful of exceptions from old movies till now ..Since you agreed by saying 'almost all' instead of 'all' ,I no need to list here

Yes, that's why i had said 'almost'
Still, pl do list the exceptions...

A few which come to mind - 'Kokki' Kumar, Virumaandi etc...

[Fegasderty]

Still, pl do list the exceptions...

Hope you mean Heros potrayed as Flawless and never do anything wrong or everything he did were justified.

Few comes to my mind are..

1.Ratha Kaneer - MR radha ..Did almost everything wrong and never justified ,but not branded as negative character

2.Puthiya Paravai - NT as a guity murderer

3.Paar Magale Paar - NT as a gulty egoistic father ,not justified

4.To some extend -NT's characters in Gowrawam and Thillana Moganambal which are egoistic and not justified.

5.Amaithi Padai - I think Villain sathiyaraj was treated as Hero ,not justied ,not branded as negative.

These come to mind instantly.

[doctorzlo]

1.Ratha Kaneer - MR radha ..Did almost everything wrong and never justified ,but not branded as negative character

Perhaps yes...

2.Puthiya Paravai - NT as a guity murderer

mmm... I think he's still a 'good' guy if i'm not wrong (Sorry, my memory isn't that good about this film). I mean what does he murder for?

4.To some extend -NT's characters in Gowrawam and Thillana Moganambal which are egoistic and not justified.

Gauravam - Wouldn't count IMO because the 'hero' was Kannan, 'strictly' speaking
Thillana Mohanambal - no way!

5.Amaithi Padai - I think Villain sathiyaraj was treated as Hero ,not justied ,not branded as negative.

Like the above, the real hero is the young Sathyaraj

[NeroASERCH]

Thinkfloyd,
I did mention these NT movies ,considering NT was a mass hero like his counterpart Makkal Thilagam ,whose all charaters are flawless after he became a mass hero.

With that huge fan following like MGR's ,NT didn't hesitate to act in characters which has flaws and weeknesses.

Too much of NT puraanam will make people jump ..So Escappuuuu.

[Raj_Copi_Jin]

Joe,
I think what Bala refers to is : LEAD CHARACTERS portrayed as "Negative characters" without an additional hero. May be : A Hero who doesn't become a DEMI-GOD in the middle and rescues the people or someone who feels for his actions etc.
I think "Ratha Kanneer" almost fits into this category.

Bala,
Are you referring to "RUTHLESS HEROES" ?

[Peptobismol]

Thinkfloyd,
I did mention these NT movies ,considering NT was a mass hero like his counterpart Makkal Thilagam ,whose all charaters are flawless after he became a mass hero.

With that huge fan following like MGR's ,NT didn't hesitate to act in characters which has flaws and weeknesses.

Too much of NT puraanam will make people jump ..So Escappuuuu.

Joe,
I accept that point - NT, inspite of being of being a mass hero, didn't hesitate to act in "negative" characters. No doubt. But what i am referring to is a bit different. Irrespective of the hero, even if its NT Or Aandavar (except Virumaandi), either those negative characters would be one part in a double role (or more), or the character would be reformed, or the negative 'part' will be negligible or trivial.

Cannes-lerndhu remba dhooram vandhuttomo?