[Arratherimi]

What are people's thoughts and views on this? he's getting a bad rap to say the least! i thought i'd ask here as well people will know FAR more than me about this..

http://www.newspiritualbible.com/index2

[pharweqto]

Most of us have read such things

For me, no Buddhist teacher has any relevance to whether or not i personally choose to practise Dhammic principles

Kind regards




Any teacher or guru that you attach to will inevitably disappoint you in some respect – even if they are saintly gurus, they still die ... or they disrobe and marry 16-year-old girls.... They might do anything: the history of religious idols can be really disillusioning!

I used to consider, when I was a young bhikkhu in Thailand, what would I do if Ajahn Chah suddenly said, 'Buddhism is a farce! I want nothing to do with it! I'm going to disrobe and marry a rich woman'? What would I do if Ajahn Buddhadasa, one of the famous scholar-monks of Thailand, said, 'Studying Buddhism all these years is a farce, it's a waste of time. I'm going to become a Christian!'?

What would I do if the Dalai Lama disrobed and married an American lady? What would I do if Venerables Sucitto and Tiradhammo and all these people just suddenly said, 'I'm going to leave. I want to get out and have some fun!'? If all the anagarikas suddenly said, 'I'm fed up with this!'? All the nuns ran away with the anagarikas? What would I do?

Does my being a monk depend on the support or devotion of all the other people around me, or the pronouncements of Ajahn Chah or the Dalai Lama? Does my practice of meditation depend upon support from others, encouragement, and having everybody live up to my expectations? If it does, it could be easily destroyed, couldn't it?

Ajahn Sumedho

[QHdy5Z3A]

I didn't knew that about the Dalai Lama. Don't know if that is true. Maybe not. If it is... wow... how sad for him and what a creepy site.

We know that more than a Dhamma teacher his talent was in political Lobbing and a sort of personal agenda with China goverment.

The dalai lama has never been a source of inspiration for the Dhamma by any means.

The words of Buddha are.

[Maydayvar]

Just a badly done hate site.

Its very much like the Klan website. all nice and polished looking but filled with anger and fear.

[rozneesitcn]

Just a badly done hate site.

Its very much like the Klan website. all nice and polished looking but filled with anger and fear.

Yea, I didn't find it very convincing. I suppose it could be true, but I know little about the Dalai Lama. I love the pictures of the Dalai Lama waving compared to Hitler's salute/heil. If that's convincing anyone they must've already wanted the Dalai Lama to be a Nazi supporter.

[Hinigyday]

Yea, I didn't find it very convincing. I suppose it could be true, but I know little about the Dalai Lama. I love the pictures of the Dalai Lama waving compared to Hitler's salute/heil. If that's convincing anyone they must've already wanted the Dalai Lama to be a Nazi supporter.

The hard to deal with truth is that H.H. the Dalai Lama and other highly realized Beings and Buddhas would have equal compassion for all ordanary Beings including Hitler and the other Nazis and want their suffering to end.

While I admit that to myself this is a hard concept to get my head around, I also realize that my negitive mindset aganst Hitler is part of my dualistic and conceptual thoughts and not genuine reality.

[mdUzAMbG]

This site is old 'news', there are also other anti-Dalai Lama sites on the internet, the Trimondi "The Shadow of the Dalai Lama" is another. Human beings are often trying to dig up or create gossip and scandal about each other in one way or another !


Loved the Ajahn Sumedho quote given by Element #2.

In general I think its dangerous to turn teachers into figures of cult adoration and treat them like gods,especially if one is encouraged to do so. They're just human beings like the rest of us.

Here are more comments by Ajahn Buddhadasa from 'The Prison of Life':


"Every place has its famous teacher whose name is bouncing around. Whether national, regional, provincial, or local, every place has got its Big Guru.

Then people cling and attach to their teachers as being the only teacher who is correct; their teacher is right and all other teachers are completely wrong. They refuse to listen to other people's teachers. And they don't think about or examine the teachings of their own Ajahns.

They get caught in the "Teacher Prison." They turn the teacher into a prison, then get caught in it. It's an attachment which is truly ridiculous. Whether a big teacher or a small teacher, it's upadana just the same. They keep building prisons out of their teachers and gurus. Please don't get caught in even this prison."



http://www.buddhaskolen.dk/?pageid=164

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[CoiI8XIj]

Most of us have read such things

For me, no Buddhist teacher has any relevance to whether or not i personally choose to practise Dhammic principles

Kind regards

Agree Element.

Also HHDL has said at every public teaching of his which I have attended over the years, that he is foremost a simple Tibetan Buddhist monk and it is not my understanding that he seeks to become a cult figure in the West.

[Finanziamento]

Also HHDL has said at every public teaching of his which I have attended over the years, that he is foremost a simple Tibetan Buddhist monk and it is not my understanding that he seeks to become a cult figure in the West.

Hardly a 'simple Buddhist monk' when he lived in the massive Potala Palace in Lhasa before his escape from Tibet. He was also involved in politics and head of the Tibetan government before and after his exile, until he retired from those duties quite recently.

His background and his many books and many TV and public appearances and announcements of one kind or another do actually make him a cult figure in the west. Such a fact can hardly can go unnoticed by him and his advisers.

I definately have nothing against the Dalai Lama as a person, by the way, and I've been to some of his public teachings myself and have a few of his books.




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[Tyncneiff]

I do not see anything about his life which suggests anything other than that HHDL considers himself foremost a simple Buddhist monk. What happens in the West is about the media and the response to his visits to Western countries - it is not about what his intention is - it is not a bad thing IMO.

Where he lived in Tibet was commensurate to his position in that country - as you identify the role of Dalai Lama involves many facets.

[Alina20100]

From what I understand, it's fairly well-known that the Nazis had an interest in Buddhism, particularly of the esoteric sort. They took the concept of ariya (noble) and turned it into a racial theory -- which was quite the opposite of the Buddha's intent. Some of Hitler's cohorts were into Theosophy and Blavatsky, and others were fascinated by Tibet. In 1939 the Nazis even sent expeditions there with the goal of discovering whether the Tibetans were an "Aryan people" or such like.

None of this implicates the Dalai Lama as some sort of Nazi collaborator. The Tibetans were, however, receptive to diplomatic overtures from Germany and Japan -- no doubt because they were looking for a larger power to help protect them against threats from China.

[loyalgagora]

The site starts by suggests that because Germany used an an ancient indian religious symbol on it's flag in the 1920's that somehow makes the Dalai Lama a Nazi because it was also a symbol used in Buddhism.

It's nonsensical

[loolitoertego]

i regret even clicking on the link. it just looks like a site that will give you a virus....in no way a reputable site.

[JoesBro]

IMO, he has been a lobbying politician obsessed with the "Chinese Issue" I find it difficult to believe you can think that Kaarine.
He was the head of the Tibetan government and you criticise him for being obsessed with the "Chinese issue". I don't know what to say, I really don't.

Very far from someone devoted to Dhamma and its teaching and very far from a simple Buddhist monk. Who are you to judge his devotion to Dhamma so harshly?
I'm not religious in any way, I consider myself a pragmatic secular Buddhist but I'm just astounded by your comments on the Dalai Lama. I'm really disappointed and I'm not sure if I want to return here after this sort of talk from a moderator. I'm sorry to be so negative but some times things must be said.

[Filmania]

I find it difficult to believe you can think that Kaarine.
He was the head of the Tibetan government and you criticise him for being obsessed with the "Chinese issue". I don't know what to say, I really don't.


Who are you to judge his devotion to Dhamma so harshly?
I'm not religious in any way, I consider myself a pragmatic secular Buddhist but I'm just astounded by your comments on the Dalai Lama. I'm really disappointed and I'm not sure if I want to return here after this sort of talk from a moderator. I'm sorry to be so negative but some times things must be said.

Sorry if I have hurt your feelings Karma. There is no reason to leave because of those harshly comments.

Let's turn the page...

[Escamsrasiush]

Hi Karma, you have expressed your opinion well, as did Kaarine.
I hope you don't decide to leave as what we say here is only our attempts to express our opinions at the time.
It really can be upsetting if we think it matters too much - HHDL has a difficult role to play and if he was not foremost devoted to his practice in such a position he would not appear so interesting to the western media ( the Tibetan culture also gains interest as it is very different to western culture ) ... not sure why Kaarine's use of the word " cult " gets thrown in though.

[CxofxJFm]

not sure why Kaarine's use of the word " cult " gets thrown in though.

[Unwiseevove]

Cute smiley - lol .... no need to surrender on my account though, you are entitled to hold your view :hug:

[casinobonbiner]

Hey - if I took some people's private opinions and comments about me too seriously which I get sent by PM and e-mail from time to time, I'd have left here already !

[extessarere]

Me too - come to think of it