[c6vkuNRg]

The good ajahn was just saying that a belief in literal rebirth is not necessary for the practice but that insight may come naturally.

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If we stop looking upon our sensory experience as being so solid and absolute, we see that there are just these perceptions, and the knowing - the sense of awareness and being. This is the way that the mind is liberated, the way beyond birth and death. There was a woman staying here in January who had terminal cancer, she came to die here as a nun. This was during a monastic retreat period so we had a lot of opportunity to contemplate the dying process. One afternoon, as I was doing some walking meditation, it struck me very clearly that when you look upon your life as a succession of images that the mind is aware of, then why should that be broken by the moment of death? The body is something that is perceived in the mind so, at the moment of death, if there has been awareness of the body alive, then surely there will just be awareness of the body dead. The body dies -- just another perception in the mind. What that mind is attached to, where it goes, who it belongs to -- are all the north, south, east and west of the matter. They are questions which do not really apply.

Ajahn Amaro

http://www.abuddhistlibrary.com/Budd...y/no-empty.htm

[encumeterz]

The good ajahn was just saying that a belief in literal rebirth is not necessary for the practice but that insight may come naturally.

Quote:
If we stop looking upon our sensory experience as being so solid and absolute, we see that there are just these perceptions, and the knowing - the sense of awareness and being. This is the way that the mind is liberated, the way beyond birth and death. There was a woman staying here in January who had terminal cancer, she came to die here as a nun. This was during a monastic retreat period so we had a lot of opportunity to contemplate the dying process. One afternoon, as I was doing some walking meditation, it struck me very clearly that when you look upon your life as a succession of images that the mind is aware of, then why should that be broken by the moment of death? The body is something that is perceived in the mind so, at the moment of death, if there has been awareness of the body alive, then surely there will just be awareness of the body dead. The body dies -- just another perception in the mind. What that mind is attached to, where it goes, who it belongs to -- are all the north, south, east and west of the matter. They are questions which do not really apply.

Ajahn Amaro

http://www.abuddhistlibrary.com/Budd...y/no-empty.htm

...which speculation turns "mind" into an Atman, and puts Amaro in league with Sati the Fisherman's Son of MN 38 notoriety.

[Zaebal]

"The body is something that is perceived in the mind so, at the moment of death, if there has been awareness of the body alive, then surely there will just be awareness of the body dead."

An amazing bit of adhamma, here. Nevermind vinnana arising with cause and condition, here we read the view that vinnana just keeps on keepin' on, no matter what. Wowzers.

[VogsHoock]

"The body is something that is perceived in the mind so, at the moment of death, if there has been awareness of the body alive, then surely there will just be awareness of the body dead."

An amazing bit of adhamma, here. Nevermind vinnana arising with cause and condition, here we read the view that vinnana just keeps on keepin' on, no matter what. Wowzers.

Yeah.....

[radikal]

"The body is something that is perceived in the mind so, at the moment of death, if there has been awareness of the body alive, then surely there will just be awareness of the body dead."

An amazing bit of adhamma, here. Nevermind vinnana arising with cause and condition, here we read the view that vinnana just keeps on keepin' on, no matter what. Wowzers.

Thirded.

[lakraboob]

Is it recessary to become entangled in speculation about literal post-mortem rebirth? Is it not enough to interpret rebirth as a series of different mental states we experience in the same lifetime?

What are your opinions on this?

namaste aloka ,

as you might gather from my picture used ,

I am somewhat partial to the wheel of life teachings (tibetan style)
it was one of the teachings that realy hit home !

I think , from experience , I would say that each teaching holds a different relavance for each person , and according to our states of mind , is understood at different levels .

I am not going to get into a reincarnation debate , but simply say that for me re birth exists on many levels symultaniously .

I am happy with the states of mind paralell , to be reborn into states of mind or being on a daily even hourly basis , but to me there must allso be an accumulative action of cause and efect .

but as with all teachings one uses what one finds benificial ,

one works first on one level , then progresses by encompassing other levels of realisation .

namskars ratikala

[iDzcs7TU]

one works first on one level , then progresses by encompassing other levels of realisation .

What do you mean?

[wallyfindme]

,
but as with all teachings one uses what one finds benificial ,

one works first on one level , then progresses by encompassing other levels of realisation .

namskars ratikala

sorry try to re explain,

at first prehaps as with the wheel of life , one realises the sugnificance of the teaching on a simple level , how our states of mind might migrate from realm to realm on a daily or hourly basis , how we might suffer the emotions of each realm as a state of mind .

then on further reflection one might see the posibilitys of our states of mind causing long term results , which might cause one to understand the posibility of rebirthin terms of life times ,

the one thing about realisation is that it is something one needs to explore , It is not allways possible to explain what I might see , it is better that I just say try lookig at this and many other teachings on more than one level,

hope that makes some sence ?

namaskars ratikala