[bF8CCmmr]

I'm happy for you to elaborate on that.

It's too speculative. Ultimate reality is non-verbal. Plus, in my modest opinion, it's not fighting fair to call someone's question "stupid," even it is stupid (no I do not mean OP's original question). Allowing others to save face, again, in my humble opinion, should usually outweigh the desire for tit-for-tat gains and truth-claim advances.

[DuesTyr]

Bucky you seem to be completely misunderstanding Dhammachick, its clear to me that she was refering to her own question and not someone else's !


Regarding ultimate reality, I posted an Ajahn Sumedho talk called "Ultimate Truth and Reality "on the end of our ''Realising Ultimate Reality" thread and I'll post it again here:

http://www.dhammatalks.org.uk/index....0&file_id=1515

[SarSerceSaice]

Bucky you seem to be completely misunderstanding Dhammachick, its clear to me that she was refering to her own question and not someone else's !

It's beyond "seem." I did completely misunderstandThanks for pointing it out.

[Corporal White]

Here is a universal truth: "Something happened".

[aaafluochugh]

Here is a universal truth: "Something happened".

and then .....

[Jifyicyfuhpop]

and then .....

Right! All of that stuff!

[GohJHM9k]

Bucky you seem to be completely misunderstanding Dhammachick, its clear to me that she was refering to her own question and not someone else's !


Regarding ultimate reality, I posted an Ajahn Sumedho talk called "Ultimate Truth and Reality "on the end of our ''Realising Ultimate Reality" thread and I'll post it again here:

http://www.dhammatalks.org.uk/index....0&file_id=1515

The talk plays for about a minute then won't play anymore.

[xT0U3UGh]

No idea why that happened, I listened to about an hour of it myself.

[ElenaEvgeevna]

There's nothing wrong with the link or the recording. For me it lasts about 1 hour.

If it's cutting out for you, BuckyG, it might be something to do with the internet connection. You could right-click and download it as an MP3 file about 29MBytes in size, then listen from your local hard-disk.

[Anneskobsen]

They asserted part-less particles to be the basis of reality.

Physically, it is an interesting view

The Buddha was primarily concerned with non-attachment, such as not viewing the physical body as a "whole" but seeing it is comprised of the four physical elements.

But the Mahayana, who are into theory, say all things have no inherent existence.

But how far can we break down the elements?

Certainly there must come a point where the atoms or part-less particles cannot be broken down any further.

[Futfwrca]

Certainly there must come a point where the atoms or part-less particles cannot be broken down any further.

Breaking experience down into it's most basic ontological characteristics is beyond the proper range; the baseline is phenomenological as the world is defined through the six senses. Any further explication of the world is wholly irrelevant to Dhamma practice.

[SHUSIATULSE]

Breaking experience down into it's most basic ontological characteristics is beyond the proper range; the baseline is phenomenological as the world is defined through the six senses. Any further explication of the world is wholly irrelevant to Dhamma practice.

Exactly. I am reminded of Dhammadina telling Visakha, ""You've gone too far, friend Visakha. You can't keep holding on up to the limit of questions."

[soajerwaradaY]

the baseline is phenomenological as the world is defined through the six senses.

The Buddha did not teach this about ultimate truth. Ultimate truth exists, despite the fact the puthujana does not comprehend it.

[LICraig]

Exactly.

LOL. Hare Stuka

You have concurred again with Daverupa, Retrofuturist and other DWers, who regard a sutta that redefines the Hindu notion of "The All" as the Heartwood of Buddhadhamma.

Buddhism" means "the Teaching of the Enlightened One." A Buddha is an enlightened individual, one who knows the truth about all things, one who knows just what is what and so is capable of behaving appropriately with respect to all things.

Buddhism is a system designed to bring a technical knowledge inseparable from its technique of practice, an organized practical understanding of the true nature of things or what is what. If you keep this definition in mind, you should have no difficulty understanding Buddhism.

Essentially the Buddha's teaching as we have it in the Tipitaka is nothing but the knowledge of what is what or the true nature of things--just that. Do keep to this definition.

We shall now demonstrate the validity of this definition by considering as an example the Four Noble Truths. The First Noble Truth, which points out that all things are suffering, tells us precisely what things are like. But we fail to realize that all things are a source of suffering and so we desire those things.

The aim of Buddhism is nothing other this perfection of knowledge of what is what or the true nature of things. Another important Buddhist teaching is that of the Three Characteristics, namely impermanence (anicca), unsatisfactoriness or suffering (dukkha) and non - selfhood (anatta). Not to know this teaching is not to know Buddhism. It points out to us that all things are impermanent (anicca), all things are unsatisfactory(dukkha), and all things are not selves (anatta). This teaching tells us what things are like in terms of the Three Characteristics. Clearly Buddhism is simply an organized practical system designed to show what is what. We have seen that we have to know the nature of things. We also have to know how to practice in order to fit in with the nature of things.

Summing up, Buddhism is an organized practical system designed to reveal to us the "what is what." Once we have seen things as they really are, we no longer need anyone to teach or guide us.

[mirzaterak]

LOL. Hare Stuka

You have concurred again with Daverupa, Retrofuturist and other DWers, who regard a sutta that redefines the Hindu notion of "The All" as the Heartwood of Buddhadhamma.

I have said nothing of "The All", thanks.

[doksSirmAdods]

There's nothing wrong with the link or the recording. For me it lasts about 1 hour.

If it's cutting out for you, BuckyG, it might be something to do with the internet connection. You could right-click and download it as an MP3 file about 29MBytes in size, then listen from your local hard-disk.

I got it to work.

[Guloqkcm]

The Buddha did not teach this about ultimate truth. Ultimate truth exists, despite the fact the puthujana does not comprehend it.

By ultimate truth, do you mean paramattha sacca? Or are you claiming rather that the Dhamma obtains as fact whether or not it is known? Or something else?

[tevyrefficy]

Or are you claiming rather that the Dhamma obtains as fact whether or not it is known?

I am claiming nothing except posting what the Buddha taught, namely, the Dhamma obtains as fact whether or not it is known.

Monks, whether or not there is the arising of Tathagatas, this property stands — this steadfastness of the Dhamma, this orderliness of the Dhamma:

[ORDERCHEAPVIAGRASOFTWARE]

I will then simply remark that the Dhamma facts which obtain irrespective of them being known are wholly phenomenological facts to do with human existence, and are not ontological facts.

[Adimonnna]

It's too speculative. Ultimate reality is non-verbal. Plus, in my modest opinion, it's not fighting fair to call someone's question "stupid," even it is stupid (no I do not mean OP's original question). Allowing others to save face, again, in my humble opinion, should usually outweigh the desire for tit-for-tat gains and truth-claim advances.

Aloka was right - I was referring to my own opinion I thought you were answering my self directed question - confusing huh? LOL

But I genuinely am interested in any answers to my question because as a novice and someone who is wondering whether or not this is the path for me, I would welcome any answers.

In metta,
Raven