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Old 08-06-2012, 09:01 AM   #1
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Default "...with a pupil and with a teacher..."
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This Sutta seems to tell that 'the holy life is lived without a pupil and without a teacher'.

Why the Buddha is teaching that in absence of a pupil and in absence of a teacher demerit thoughts do not assail?

The main reasoning of the sutta seems to be that of mindfulness of the six senses.

If 'pupil' and 'teacher' are metaphors, what do these mean?

34. 15. 6.
(151). Antevàsi Ý Pupil

3. ßMonks, the holy life is lived without a pupil and without a teacher.

4. Monks, with a pupil and with a teacher the monk is unpleasant does not have a light living. Without a pupil and without a teacher the monk is pleasant has a light living

5. ßMonks, how is the monk, with a pupil and with a teacher unpleasant, does not have a light living?

6-10 [...]

11. ßAgain, monks, to the monk cognizing an idea, evil demerit thoughts arise recalling his bonds and thoughts. Those evil thoughts live in him raining evil demerit. Therefore it is said he is with a pupil. Those evil demerit thoughts assail him therefore it is said, with a teacher.

12. ßTherefore, monks, the monk with a pupil and with a teacher is unpleasant, does not have a light living.

13. ßMonks, how is the monk, without a pupil and without a teacher pleasant, have a light living?

14-18. [...]

19. ßAgain, monks, to the monk cognizing an idea evil demerit thoughts do not arise recalling his bonds and thoughts. Evil thoughts do not live in him raining evil demerit. Therefore it is said he is without a pupil. Evil demerit thoughts do not assail him therefore it is said, without a teacher.

20. ßTherefore monks, the monk, without a pupil and without a teacher is pleasant, has a light living. Monks, to this is said living the holy life without a pupil and without a teacher.

21. ßMonks, with a pupil and with a teacher the monk is unpleasant does not have a light living. Without a pupil and without a teacher the monk is pleasant has a light living.

Navapuranavaggo: Atevasika Sutta
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Old 08-06-2012, 11:37 AM   #2
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Help is needed here.

This Sutta seems to tell that 'the holy life is lived without a pupil and without a teacher'.

Why the Buddha is teaching that in absence of a pupil and in absence of a teacher demerit thoughts do not assail?

The main reasoning of the sutta seems to be that of mindfulness of the six senses.

If 'pupil' and 'teacher' are metaphors, what do these mean?


ßAgain, monks, to the monk cognizing an idea evil demerit thoughts do not arise recalling his bonds and thoughts. Evil thoughts do not live in him raining evil demerit. Therefore it is said he is without a pupil. Evil demerit thoughts do not assail him therefore it is said, without a teacher.




I don't profess to teach but you reminded me of this passage. I thought maybe it is easier to be without the complications of having a pupil and a teacher. Could the metaphor be a relationship that can provoke ego driven thoughts?


http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipit...p.25.budd.html

"The monk who has retired to a solitary abode and calmed his mind, who comprehends the Dhamma with insight, in him there arises a delight that transcends all human delights."
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Old 08-06-2012, 03:18 PM   #3
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sounds very 'Mahayana'. its sounds like it is saying those objects that cause the mind suffering are a 'teacher'

When someone whom I have helped,
Or in whom I have placed great hopes,
Mistreats me in extremely hurtful ways,
May I regard him still as my precious teacher.

http://www.dalailama.com/teachings/t...ind/verse-5--6
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