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Again in commentaries, it is mentioned that a person arising from this state is either anagami or arahath. Is what you describe here supported in suttas? For sothapanna state, it doesn't seem like jhana is even needed. As is universally accepted, the first stream enterer was Kondanna, upon hearing the first sermon about the Four Noble Truths. Identical stream entries were reported for Sariputta (Upatissa) and the householder Upali. Upon hearing the Four Noble Truths, about birth, aging, decay & death; about separation from the loved; and about the cessation of craving & becoming, each stream enterer realised: "What is subject to arising is subject to cessation". Naturally, such stream entry was unrelated to nirodha samapatti or hallucinations of believing one has experienced nirodha samapatti when one has not. Either way, the suttas do NOT give any special importance to nirodha samapatti in terms of complete cessation because it is not talked about as something essential but rather as additional. The Buddha has said it is possible to attain nibbana with the first 4 jhanas. ![]() |
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