[avitalporatova]

I found this short teaching from the Itivuttaka. Seems to me a recollection of the Second Noble Truth:

This was said by the Lord...

"Bhikkhus, held by two kinds of views, some devas and human beings hold back and some overreach; only those with vision see.

"And how, bhikkhus, do some hold back? Devas and humans enjoy being, delight in being, are satisfied with being. When Dhamma is taught to them for the cessation of being, their minds do not enter into it or acquire confidence in it or settle upon it or become resolved upon it. Thus, bhikkhus, do some hold back.

"How, bhikkhus, do some overreach? Now some are troubled, ashamed, and disgusted by this very same being and they rejoice in (the idea of) non-being, asserting: 'In as much as this self, good sirs, when the body perishes at death, is annihilated and destroyed and does not exist after death — this is peaceful, this is excellent, this is reality!' Thus, bhikkhus, do some overreach.

"How, bhikkhus, do those with vision see? Herein a bhikkhu sees what has come to be as having come to be. Having seen it thus, he practices the course for turning away, for dispassion, for the cessation of what has come to be. Thus, bhikkhus, do those with vision see."


Having seen what has come to be
As having come to be,
Passing beyond what has come to be,
They are released in accordance with truth
By exhausting the craving for being.

When a bhikkhu has fully understood
That which has come to be as such,
Free from craving to be this or that,
By the extinction of what has come to be
He comes no more to renewal of being.
This too is the meaning of what was said by the Lord, so I heard.

Held by Views
Any comments?

[CHEAPSOFTOEMONLINE]

It sounds like it's saying people's desires distort their perceptions and influence their reaction to hearing the Dhamma. Those who love being reject it and those who hate being go too far with the idea of non-self.

[Qnnoshxj]

To me, the second view sounds like seeing unsatisfactoriness & suffering in life; like being disillusioned by life; being disenchanted towards life; to the point of feeling death will bring an end to it all; i.e., bring peace.

It sounds like to see & feel unsatisfactoriness & suffering deeply but to also not see & not know how to overcome that suffering & burdensomeness in the here-&-now.

[Ibrattnofich]

It sounds like it's saying people's desires distort their perceptions and influence their reaction to hearing the Dhamma. Those who love being reject it and those who hate being go too far with the idea of non-self.

To me, the second view sounds like seeing unsatisfactoriness & suffering in life; like being disillusioned by life; being disenchanted towards life; to the point of feeling death will bring an end to it all; i.e., bring peace.

It sounds like to see & feel unsatisfactoriness & suffering deeply but to also not see & not know how to overcome that suffering & burdensomeness in the here-&-now.

Yes...

Can be the case of holding back a reaction to the non self doctrine; a kind of denial?