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Old 05-30-2012, 01:14 PM   #1
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Default Original Meditation According To The Pali Canon?
I just want to know, from the Pali Canon, how exactly the Buddha Meditated each day. None of the more complicated techniques. Just Samadhi. As of right now, I meditate the way you are taught in Zazen (eyes looking three feet in front of you, eyelids closed as much as possible, but to where you still see the focal point). I know there are many different ways. But I want to know what the Tathagata did, his posture, his eyes (closed/open? direction they faced?), etc.
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Old 05-30-2012, 02:36 PM   #2
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Hi musicizgod! I found a site called "Vipassana-The Technique of Gautama Buddha" that I believe will help you with this. Take care, Tom
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Old 05-30-2012, 02:53 PM   #3
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I just want to know, from the Pali Canon, how exactly the Buddha Meditated each day. None of the more complicated techniques. Just Samadhi. As of right now, I meditate the way you are taught in Zazen (eyes looking three feet in front of you, eyelids closed as much as possible, but to where you still see the focal point). I know there are many different ways. But I want to know what the Tathagata did, his posture, his eyes (closed/open? direction they faced?), etc.
Hi musicizgod,

The best place to look for suttas which mention meditation in the Pali Canon is at a Theravada site such as 'Access to Insight' but I don't know if you'll find all of the precise details that you want.

I put 'meditation' in the search facility and then chose 'suttas only' from the results - and those suttas are listed and available to read at the link below:

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/searc...tion&sa=Search


with kind wishes

Aloka
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Old 05-30-2012, 08:06 PM   #4
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I want to know what the Tathagata did, his posture, his eyes (closed/open? direction they faced?), etc.
Meditative state was the Buddha's natural state of being. He could have dwelt in present moment consciousness whether he was sitting, walking, eating and possibly entered into deep samadhi as well when he was in isolation.
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Old 05-30-2012, 08:23 PM   #5
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I just want to know, from the Pali Canon, how exactly the Buddha Meditated each day.
Idha, bhikkhave, ariyasāvako vossaggārammaṇaṃ karitvā labhati samādhiṃ, labhati cittassa ekaggataṃ

Bhikkhus, there is the case where a monk, a noble disciple, making it his object to let go, attains concentration, attains singleness of mind.

SN 48.10 Here, bhikkhus, a noble disciple gains concentration, gains one-pointedness of mind, having made relinquishment the object.

SN 48.10 ***
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Old 05-30-2012, 09:20 PM   #6
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Hello musicizgod,

I changed from Zazen -after some time of several meditation retreats- to Anapanasati. I have found that Anapanasati fits well for me now. But also we have some meditation links from Theravada teachers at this website's Study Links Forum.

Ajahn Brahm's "Mindfulness Bliss and Beyond" is one of the bests guides.

or

Buddhadasa Bhikkhu's Mindfulness with Breathing is another excelent guide.

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Old 05-30-2012, 09:37 PM   #7
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As of right now, I meditate the way you are taught in Zazen (eyes looking three feet in front of you, eyelids closed as much as possible, but to where you still see the focal point).
I started out practising with Vajrayana and with eyes open and looking slightly inover towards nose. Then later on, I changed to Theravada and talked about my practice with a Theravada abbot and he said that was ok .

Some people prefer eyes closed, others open. Personally I much prefer them open because I'm less likely to fall asleep
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Old 05-30-2012, 10:09 PM   #8
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(closed/open? direction they faced?), etc.
In my case it depends. If there is some fatigue or tension I close the eyes. If I feel I am falling asleep then I open them. But mostly with open eyes.

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SN 54.11 (Icchnagala-sutta) says that sammasatisamadhi is "a noble dwelling, a divine dwelling, the Tathagata’s dwelling." Basically, that's anapanasati and jhana.
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Old 05-31-2012, 05:15 AM   #10
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SN 54.11 (Icchnagala-sutta) says that sammasatisamadhi is "a noble dwelling, a divine dwelling, the Tathagata’s dwelling." Basically, that's anapanasati and jhana.
sure, but these things needs to be understood, with Right View, i.e., what the basic practise of mindfulness actually is, before mindfulness with breathing can be practised. 'jhana' is the same.

'anapanasati' & 'jhana' are just words, often thrown around with blind faith & superstition

with metta

There is the case where a monk, having gone to the wilderness, to the shade of a tree, or to an empty building, sits down folding his legs crosswise, holding his body erect, and setting mindfulness to the fore. Always mindful, he breathes in; always mindful he breathes out.

There is the case where a monk develops mindfulness as a factor for awakening dependent on seclusion, dependent on dispassion and dependent on cessation that results in relinquishment.

Anapanasati Sutta: Mindfulness with Breathing Here, bhikkhus, a noble disciple gains concentration, gains one-pointedness of mind (jhana), having made relinquishment the object.

SN 48.10 One is mindful to abandon wrong view & to enter & remain in right view: This is one's right mindfulness. Thus these three qualities — right view, right effort & right mindfulness — run & circle around right view.

MN 117 And what, monks, is right view? Knowledge with regard to...the stopping of stress...

Magga-vibhanga Sutta: An Analysis of the Path And this, monks, is the noble truth of the cessation of stress: the remainderless fading & cessation, renunciation, relinquishment, release & letting go of that very craving.

Dhammacakkappavattana Sutta: Setting the Wheel of Dhamma in Motion
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Old 05-31-2012, 07:05 AM   #11
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Thank you everyone, very much, for your replies. I am thinking maybe it doesn't matter in the end, so long as you have good posture, and are as aware as possible, mindful, of your body and breath. The eyes was the biggest thing for me, I would switch back and forth between many different ways I have learned, but now I will just do it how I am most comfortable, with them closed. . And I have to say, I am falling in love with the Access To Insight website! Very well organised! And even a guide to learning the Dhamma the way Siddhartha had taught his own disciples. I plan to start using that very guide for my own learning.
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