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**beepbeet** · 11-13-2011, 02:03 AM

Best S2000 drivers in 2011 in my opinion:

1: Hanninen
2: Mikkelsen
3: Tanak
4: Neuville
5: Bouffier

**AM1VV9r6** · 11-16-2011, 03:12 AM

In my opinion:
1. Hänninen
2. Kopecký (don't forget that he finished every rally in the top 5, except of course the lottery in Monte-Carlo)
3. Neuville
4. Mikkelsen
5. Andreucci (he dominated the Italian championship as never before)

**Dwnijzhd** · 11-16-2011, 05:55 AM

Best one - Neuville

Biggest dissapointment for me is Bouffier. Apart from the Monte win, he never showed pace expected for a full works driver , with as many kilometers with the car as he has (more than anyone else I believe)

**ahagotyou** · 11-16-2011, 07:24 PM

I wouldn't put Bouffier in the top 5. Kopecky should be in there (he won as many rallies as Mikkelsen this year) but maybe not 2nd. Also Rossetti deserves a mention IMO.

**beepbeet** · 11-17-2011, 12:40 AM

Sorry but to me Kopecky is the Mikko of IRC, very stable but not a killer. Just my opinion, and that is why he did not make my list.

Rossetti I agree on.

**ahagotyou** · 11-17-2011, 02:29 AM

Sorry but to me Kopecky is the Mikko of IRC, very stable but not a killer. Just my opinion, and that is why he did not make my list.
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I somewhat agree on your assesment of Kopecky but he would have been a more worthy champion than Mikko IMO as he did at least take two wins on merit.

**mosypeSom** · 11-17-2011, 09:02 PM

In my opinion:
2. Kopecký (don't forget that he finished every rally in the top 5, except of course the lottery in Monte-Carlo)
5. Andreucci (he dominated the Italian championship as never before)

a)Don't forget Kopecky blew it in Shakedown for Ypres a rally where 2nd place would have been almost assured
b)Having watched the Costa Smeralda between the Rally Italia loops I would say Andreucci's dominance of the Italian championship has more to do with the lack of competition (Mikklesen had retired soon after the start that day) than his outstanding ability. Rossetti was running him close despite being in the outdated Punto!

Again other than getting into the top 10 at Ypres how would Rossetti justify inclusion as one of the best of 2011 (we're talking 2011 not past accomplishments)-the much-derided Guy Wilks actually had more to recommend him, despite the crashes.
Bouffier seemed to disappear after the Ypres disqualification, wonder how well scruitineered his car was after the Monte ;-)
So my top 5
Hanninen
Tanak
Mikkelsen
Loix
Neuville

Kopecky a close 6th

Honourable mentions to Weijs jr and Breen

**AM1VV9r6** · 11-18-2011, 03:15 AM

a)Don't forget Kopecky blew it in Shakedown for Ypres a rally where 2nd place would have been almost assured
b)Having watched the Costa Smeralda between the Rally Italia loops I would say Andreucci's dominance of the Italian championship has more to do with the lack of competition (Mikklesen had retired soon after the start that day) than his outstanding ability. Rossetti was running him close despite being in the outdated Punto!

Mikkelsen blew it minimal three times: Monte-Carlo, also Ypres (both in SS1) and Hungary.

Yes, I agree that the Italian championship was quite poor in terms of S2000 cars and great drivers this year, but Andreucci was already the best Italian driver in the CIR in the past years. Now he was even more dominating. I rate the CIR higher than the SWRC championship where you could end on the podium with SupeRally.

**Verriasana** · 11-18-2011, 06:43 AM

You can't go around the fact that Mikkelsen is champion because Eurosport wanted to be nice for organisations of Scotland and Cyprus. Without the coëfficient system Mikkelsens title chances were hopeless 3 rallies before the end of the championship...

**mosypeSom** · 11-18-2011, 03:20 PM

You can't go around the fact that Mikkelsen is champion because Eurosport wanted to be nice for organisations of Scotland and Cyprus. Without the coëfficient system Mikkelsens title chances were hopeless 3 rallies before the end of the championship...

I read that as the guy did what he had to do when it mattered, surely the defining aspect of a champ. Everyone knew the rules in advance, probably one of the reasons that AM did the Italian gravel championship, which he also won. The phrase we use in the UK is that Hanninen and Kopecky 'bottled it'.

**gWhya5ct** · 12-02-2011, 04:42 AM

Neuville won the Colin McRae flat out throphy of 2011!!

11-13-2011, 02:03 AM	#1
beepbeet Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 424 Senior Member	2011 best S2000 drivers Best S2000 drivers in 2011 in my opinion: 1: Hanninen 2: Mikkelsen 3: Tanak 4: Neuville 5: Bouffier Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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11-16-2011, 03:12 AM	#2
AM1VV9r6 Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 445 Senior Member	In my opinion: 1. Hänninen 2. Kopecký (don't forget that he finished every rally in the top 5, except of course the lottery in Monte-Carlo) 3. Neuville 4. Mikkelsen 5. Andreucci (he dominated the Italian championship as never before) Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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11-16-2011, 05:55 AM	#3
Dwnijzhd Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 427 Senior Member	Best one - Neuville Biggest dissapointment for me is Bouffier. Apart from the Monte win, he never showed pace expected for a full works driver , with as many kilometers with the car as he has (more than anyone else I believe) Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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11-16-2011, 07:24 PM	#4
ahagotyou Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 571 Senior Member	I wouldn't put Bouffier in the top 5. Kopecky should be in there (he won as many rallies as Mikkelsen this year) but maybe not 2nd. Also Rossetti deserves a mention IMO. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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11-17-2011, 12:40 AM	#5
beepbeet Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 424 Senior Member	Sorry but to me Kopecky is the Mikko of IRC, very stable but not a killer. Just my opinion, and that is why he did not make my list. Rossetti I agree on. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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11-17-2011, 02:29 AM	#6
ahagotyou Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 571 Senior Member	Sorry but to me Kopecky is the Mikko of IRC, very stable but not a killer. Just my opinion, and that is why he did not make my list. . I somewhat agree on your assesment of Kopecky but he would have been a more worthy champion than Mikko IMO as he did at least take two wins on merit. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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11-17-2011, 09:02 PM	#7
mosypeSom Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 432 Senior Member	In my opinion: 2. Kopecký (don't forget that he finished every rally in the top 5, except of course the lottery in Monte-Carlo) 5. Andreucci (he dominated the Italian championship as never before) a)Don't forget Kopecky blew it in Shakedown for Ypres a rally where 2nd place would have been almost assured b)Having watched the Costa Smeralda between the Rally Italia loops I would say Andreucci's dominance of the Italian championship has more to do with the lack of competition (Mikklesen had retired soon after the start that day) than his outstanding ability. Rossetti was running him close despite being in the outdated Punto! Again other than getting into the top 10 at Ypres how would Rossetti justify inclusion as one of the best of 2011 (we're talking 2011 not past accomplishments)-the much-derided Guy Wilks actually had more to recommend him, despite the crashes. Bouffier seemed to disappear after the Ypres disqualification, wonder how well scruitineered his car was after the Monte ;-) So my top 5 Hanninen Tanak Mikkelsen Loix Neuville Kopecky a close 6th Honourable mentions to Weijs jr and Breen Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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11-18-2011, 03:15 AM	#8
AM1VV9r6 Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 445 Senior Member	a)Don't forget Kopecky blew it in Shakedown for Ypres a rally where 2nd place would have been almost assured b)Having watched the Costa Smeralda between the Rally Italia loops I would say Andreucci's dominance of the Italian championship has more to do with the lack of competition (Mikklesen had retired soon after the start that day) than his outstanding ability. Rossetti was running him close despite being in the outdated Punto! Mikkelsen blew it minimal three times: Monte-Carlo, also Ypres (both in SS1) and Hungary. Yes, I agree that the Italian championship was quite poor in terms of S2000 cars and great drivers this year, but Andreucci was already the best Italian driver in the CIR in the past years. Now he was even more dominating. I rate the CIR higher than the SWRC championship where you could end on the podium with SupeRally. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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11-18-2011, 06:43 AM	#9
Verriasana Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 435 Senior Member	You can't go around the fact that Mikkelsen is champion because Eurosport wanted to be nice for organisations of Scotland and Cyprus. Without the coëfficient system Mikkelsens title chances were hopeless 3 rallies before the end of the championship... Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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11-18-2011, 03:20 PM	#10
mosypeSom Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 432 Senior Member	You can't go around the fact that Mikkelsen is champion because Eurosport wanted to be nice for organisations of Scotland and Cyprus. Without the coëfficient system Mikkelsens title chances were hopeless 3 rallies before the end of the championship... I read that as the guy did what he had to do when it mattered, surely the defining aspect of a champ. Everyone knew the rules in advance, probably one of the reasons that AM did the Italian gravel championship, which he also won. The phrase we use in the UK is that Hanninen and Kopecky 'bottled it'. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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12-02-2011, 04:42 AM	#11
gWhya5ct Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 482 Senior Member	Neuville won the Colin McRae flat out throphy of 2011!! Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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