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Old 11-28-2011, 06:32 PM   #1
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I can't see anything wrong with what Massa did apart from being Dog slow. He just wanted to keep Lewis behind more than anything else and ironically screwed his race as well when Lewis retired

Wheel was stupid as well but Donkeys for me were the Stewards. I thought it was a small but understandable error from Michael that started the chain. He cut back a fraction too early. Racing incident IMHO but one caused by a slight error. Senna did well holding the dirty line but after the collision stayed in there as he had a right to do but might have been wiser to have given it up.

I really cannot see why he got a penalty?
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Old 11-28-2011, 07:10 PM   #2
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I can't see anything wrong with what Massa did apart from being Dog slow. He just wanted to keep Lewis behind more than anything else and ironically screwed his race as well when Lewis retired

Wheel was stupid as well but Donkeys for me were the Stewards. I thought it was a small but understandable error from Michael that started the chain. He cut back a fraction too early. Racing incident IMHO but one caused by a slight error. Senna did well holding the dirty line but after the collision stayed in there as he had a right to do but might have been wiser to have given it up.

I really cannot see why he got a penalty?
I saw it the other way round, and agreed with the stewards that it was Senna's "fault". He tried to brake but ran wide, just enough to tap Schumacher. Michael had given him plenty of room but relied on his co-operation to make the move work. It didn't, and they made contact, but I fail to see how it was worthy of a penalty. But, and I've said this before, if the stewards have set a precident by punishing all manner of other comings together then it's probably only fair that they treated this one equally.

Hopefully next season we can start from a clean slate and obvious racing incidents will be left alone.
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Old 11-28-2011, 07:30 PM   #3
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I thought the Senna thing was very harsh, the 1st contact I saw as catergorically Michaels fault, the 2nd was 50/50 as they scrapped over the apex. Saw a Ross Brawn quote that Senna was fighting for a position he'd already lost, which I thought was ironic given when Sutil tried to go round the outside of Rosberg, Rosberg did exactly what Senna tried to do, and outbroke Sutil and took the corner back.

MS trying to pass round the outside had to have the pass done and dusted before trying to take the apex, he didn't and therefore thats why I can't see it as Senna fault.

As for Donkey's, other than Virgin and the periodic Massa being slow, didn't see much. Perhaps the gearbox makes since we had 3 problems this race, and maybe Maldanado, don't know what he did to end up where he did, but I've never seen a car off there in the dry before
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Old 11-28-2011, 08:31 PM   #4
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Hopefully next season we can start from a clean slate and obvious racing incidents will be left alone.
I hope so too
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Old 11-28-2011, 09:13 PM   #5
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I would also like to add DRS, of which ruined an engaging battle between Massa and I believe Button as soon as they came out of the first S-bend.
Probably the only 'minor overtake' of the race but on the whole it wasn't bad at all despite personally having negative thoughts before the race.
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Old 11-28-2011, 09:18 PM   #6
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Rosberg did exactly what Senna tried to do, and outbroke Sutil and took the corner back.
Big difference here. Schumacher had completed the pass and was back on the line. Sutil did not. Rosberg was still along side of him
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Old 11-28-2011, 09:42 PM   #7
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LOL! Perhaps the father is more of a donkey - why did he bring his child to an event, where he doesn't want to be?
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Old 11-28-2011, 10:25 PM   #8
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Big difference here. Schumacher had completed the pass and was back on the line. Sutil did not. Rosberg was still along side of him
Schumacher can't have been on the line as there was a car between him and the apex. Yes he was marginally ahead, but he can't just sweep across as if there is no-one there. Hamilton took himself out of Belguim doing that, Massa got penalised in India for that.

The difference is Rosberg nailed Sutil back on the brakes, Senna just stopped MS from being fully ahead
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Old 11-28-2011, 10:28 PM   #9
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For having to obey team orders and allow the charade that gave Webber his undeserved win.
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Old 11-29-2011, 02:27 AM   #10
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For having to obey team orders and allow the charade that gave Webber his undeserved win.
Thats utter rubbish though and its obvious to anybody who watched the race that there was a genuine problem with Vettel's gearbox. The fact his engine sounded rough and he very nearly lost it entering the pits was proof of that, and he was definately short shifting for most of the race. If this was all fabricated then not only did he risk an accident or definate failure, then they did pretty damn well to act it out. Also team orders are not illegal in F1 so there was no need to fake such an event.
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Old 11-29-2011, 03:02 AM   #11
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Had a notion before the race that Webber aws going top be the "Gifted" one this weekend,as a thank you for not complaining about an inferior car too much.Apart from saying "I could not have done THAT time with my car",when Vettel,takes another pole.
Payback time !
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Old 11-29-2011, 03:08 AM   #12
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For having to obey team orders and allow the charade that gave Webber his undeserved win.
So you are advocating employee disobedience now, Tony?
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Old 11-30-2011, 06:43 AM   #13
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The Stewards for giving a penalty to Senna when it was clearly just a racing incident.
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