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Old 10-09-2011, 01:53 PM   #1
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Default Haminton in Japan
He will take out Button and or Kobayashi.
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Old 10-09-2011, 01:58 PM   #2
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Or Vettel in an unselfish act to keep Jenson in the championship.
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Old 10-09-2011, 02:01 PM   #3
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go Bumilton, make the race interesting !
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Old 10-09-2011, 02:37 PM   #4
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Tiresome now.
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Old 10-09-2011, 02:42 PM   #5
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And as I say that he hits his old mate Massa again! D'oh...
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Old 10-09-2011, 02:50 PM   #6
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or massa hit him, since Hamilton was ahead right?
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Old 10-09-2011, 03:45 PM   #7
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Hamilton ahead, leaves racing room, doesn't even put Massa over the white line, turns away from Massa, not really an overtaking opportunity for Massa and Massa makes contact.

Must be Hamiltons fault
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Old 10-09-2011, 03:58 PM   #8
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or massa hit him, since Hamilton was ahead right?
Not really but hey everything is fine with the rosy Hamy glasses I guess.
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Old 10-09-2011, 04:04 PM   #9
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as i've been reminded of many times, the responsibility for the safe pass is with the driver making the pass.

that said it was probably partly Lewis fault for squeezing the gap that Felipe was trying to drive into, although Massa was never going to make a pass round the outside into the chicane. a nothing incident that will be amplified because it was between Hamilton and Massa again.
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Old 10-09-2011, 04:06 PM   #10
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Hamilton says he had no idea that Massa was there
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Old 10-09-2011, 04:07 PM   #11
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Both were stupid in that situation and both were awful slow today.
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Old 10-09-2011, 04:11 PM   #12
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Not really but hey everything is fine with the rosy Hamy glasses I guess.
Can you point out what Hamilton actually did wrong and please bear in mind the Vettel / Button incident at the start?

No? Thought not
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Old 10-09-2011, 04:14 PM   #13
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or massa hit him, since Hamilton was ahead right?
Hamilton ahead, leaves racing room, doesn't even put Massa on the white line, turns away from Massa, not really an overtaking opportunity for Massa and Massa makes contact.

Must be Hamiltons fault
Damn straight it was Hamilton's fault. Massa had nowhere to go. If Hamilton had squeezed Massa anymore the Ferrari would have been on the grass as the Ferrari's left front was on the white line. Hamilton only turned away from Massa after the contact.

The stewards got it right, no penalty was deserved, but once again Hamilton makes contact with another car.
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Old 10-09-2011, 04:25 PM   #14
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Damn straight it was Hamilton's fault. Massa had nowhere to go. If Hamilton had squeezed Massa anymore the Ferrari would have been on the grass as the Ferrari's left front was on the white line. Hamilton only turned away from Massa after the contact.

The stewards got it right, no penalty was deserved, but once again Hamilton makes contact with another car.
Yep Massa had no where to go, hamiltons fault here, same thing as he did in Spa, only this time it was massa's wing which took damage -

here is the crappy tv pic


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Old 10-09-2011, 04:27 PM   #15
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Both were stupid in that situation and both were awful slow today.
How on earth did you come to that conclusion? Massa was ahead of Alonso in the beginning and was broken again with obvious team orders and still stayed with the leaders for much of the race. Hamilton wasn't slow either, his tires just went off time and time again. Not as good as Button but hardly slow.
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Old 10-09-2011, 04:30 PM   #16
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Damn straight it was Hamilton's fault. Massa had nowhere to go. If Hamilton had squeezed Massa anymore the Ferrari would have been on the grass as the Ferrari's left front was on the white line. Hamilton only turned away from Massa after the contact.

The stewards got it right, no penalty was deserved, but once again Hamilton makes contact with another car.
so should Button have stayed on his line and let Vettel hit him at the start or move on to the grass and back out. Should Massa have stayed where he was or backed out or put a wheel on the grass. Was Hamilton moving across any different or worse than Vettel at the start. The only difference i see is that Massa was about 1/4 or a car further alongside than Button was. Both incidents were investigated, both had no further action. only one is getting people worked up
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Old 10-09-2011, 04:36 PM   #17
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so should Button have stayed on his line and let Vettel hit him at the start or move on to the grass and back out. Should Massa have stayed where he was or backed out or put a wheel on the grass. Was Hamilton moving across any different or worse than Vettel at the start. The only difference i see is that Massa was about 1/4 or a car further alongside than Button was. Both incidents were investigated, both had no further action. only one is getting people worked up
Well the they were 2 completely different incidents, the serial hitter did hit someone and he had the rest of the track to goto as he was already on the inside line. Secondly there were braking after the longest throttle zone on the circuit, so why would any one driver lift off before, and they would both try to out brake the other to keep the advantage, at the start there was nothing of this sort.
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Old 10-09-2011, 04:41 PM   #18
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the serial hitter did hit someone and he had the rest of the track to go to as he was already on the inside line. .
"serial hitter"....
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Old 10-09-2011, 04:44 PM   #19
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Unfortunate with the early puncture but a solid race by Lewis, at last lol..
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Old 10-09-2011, 04:54 PM   #20
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Both were stupid in that situation and both were awful slow today.
It was clearly Hamilton's fault. Massa was alongside him, but was almost pushed out, costing him bits of wing. Lucky that this time Hamilton actually managed to react in the very last moment and avoid a bigger disaster. Just look at how other drivers were racing, when they were entering the chicane. The car in front always left room, when there was someone on the outside.

I'm amazed that Hamilton, who in previous years has acquired a reputation of an excellent racer, has suddenly forgotten the basics. This situation was exactly the same as with Kobayashi at Spa. Hamilton keeps racing like there are no other cars around him. Although if I'm recalling correctly, he has done similar such things in the past years too. Like pushing Glock on the wet grass at Monza '08.
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