[lzwha]

Schumacher for me. I'm starting to think that the only reason why he came back to F1 is because they wouldn't allow him in the bumper cars.

[GroosteFoessy]

Can we just choose KERS and DRS and be done with it? I have never been left so cold by an F1 race with that amount of overtaking.

[Dr.Hoodoba]

Some of the pit-stops were poor today.

[Narcodran]

Schumacher looked a bit too aggressive at the start.

I'll give it to Ferrari's pit crew though. The lack of points didnt justify Felipe's drive today.

EDIT: DRS needs to be available all the time. Most passes into Turn 12 was candy from babies.

[tarmpriopay]

Can we just choose KERS and DRS and be done with it? I have never been left so cold by an F1 race with that amount of overtaking.

Agreed.
It was the same last race also, and it will be the same as long as these gimmicks are part of F1. We'll get to the point where people would think that this is what real racing is about. Heck we already have people claiming this is great racing.

[AlexanderPalamayr]

Poor pitstops, DRS and Pirelli.

[SmuffNuSMaxqh]

Michael who?

[tarmpriopay]

Schumacher looked a bit too aggressive at the start.

I'll give it to Ferrari's pit crew though. The lack of points didnt justify Felipe's drive today.

The Ferrari pit stops for Felipe were abysmal.
He went up to 5th from 19th on the grid and then they kept losing him places he fought for on the track and putting him back behind the same cars again and again. The last pit stop was horribly slow to say the least.
He should have left the team last season after Germany, they don't try hard at all when it comes to supporting him in a race.

[lzwha]

The Ferrari pit stops for Felipe were abysmal.
He went up to 5th from 19th on the grid and then they kept losing him places he fought for on the track and putting him back behind the same cars again and again. The last pit stop was horribly slow to say the least.
He should have left the team last season after Germany, they don't try hard at all when it comes to supporting him in a race.

I would say that losing time in the last pitstop was Felipe's fault alone. The right rear tyre was still spinning, and -correct me if I'm wrong- that wouldn't have happened had Massa kept the brake pedal down, would it?

[GroosteFoessy]

Agreed.
It was the same last race also, and it will be the same as long as these gimmicks are part of F1. We'll get to the point where people would think that this is what real racing is about. Heck we already have people claiming this is great racing.

Although, I would point out that when we see great racing, there are those who castigate those involved for driving dangerously.

[GroosteFoessy]

I would say that losing time in the last pitstop was Felipe's fault alone. The right rear tyre was still spinning, and -correct me if I'm wrong- that wouldn't have happened had Massa kept the brake pedal down, would it?

Which is a pretty elementary error. The poor chap just looks generally out of sorts, and I wonder whether he will ever win an F1 race again. Some of this may be down to the team, but when a driver suffers a downturn in performance it is surely never possible to remove all the blame from their own shoulders. It is still, I feel, open to debate as to whether Massa is in any way the same driver as he was before the Hungary accident.

[tarmpriopay]

I would say that losing time in the last pitstop was Felipe's fault alone. The right rear tyre was still spinning, and -correct me if I'm wrong- that wouldn't have happened had Massa kept the brake pedal down, would it?

9.3 seconds? Did that tire keep spinning for 6 seconds even though the car had already stop? You mean he stopped without breaking? Strange thing that everything is Felipe's fault at Ferrari.

[13spebampiliece]

The Ferrari pit stops for Felipe were abysmal.
He went up to 5th from 19th on the grid and then they kept losing him places he fought for on the track and putting him back behind the same cars again and again. The last pit stop was horribly slow to say the least.
He should have left the team last season after Germany, they don't try hard at all when it comes to supporting him in a race.

I would say that losing time in the last pitstop was Felipe's fault alone. The right rear tyre was still spinning, and -correct me if I'm wrong- that wouldn't have happened had Massa kept the brake pedal down, would it?

Of the three issues that cost Massa time one was clearly his fault (running off the road in turn 8), one was Ferrari's (slow stop that cost him a place to Hamilton) and the worst was probably Massa's fault for not keep his foot on the brake during his last stop.

So ioan, will you accept that Massa contributed to his poor result or just blame it all on Ferrari?

[lzwha]

9.3 seconds? Did that tire keep spinning for 6 seconds even though the car had already stop? You mean he stopped without breaking? Strange thing that everything is Felipe's fault at Ferrari.

I would find even more strange that every time Felipe has a bad race, it's Ferrari/Santander/Alonso's fault. But maybe it's just my biased perception as an Alonso fan.

And BTW, I wouldn't say that the pitstop in which Massa lost a place to Hamilton was a mistake by Ferrari -4.6 seconds isn't really bad-, it's just that McLaren did a fantastic pitstop.

[tarmpriopay]

Of the three issues that cost Massa time one was clearly his fault (running off the road in turn 8), one was Ferrari's (slow stop that cost him a place to Hamilton) and the worst was probably Massa's fault for not keep his foot on the brake during his last stop.

So ioan, will you accept that Massa contributed to his poor result or just blame it all on Ferrari?

And who triggered all?
Why wasn't he 5th or 4th after the first round of pitstops and instead he was back behind Hamilton and Rosberg again?

Ferrari are a bunch of clowns who effed up his great race in the first top and then kept doing it stint when he made up place again and again.

You sure wouldn't have overdriven the car and made a slight mistake in 58 laps after you were shafted again and again by those who are supposed to help you do better than the opposition. I am glad I don't sit on the same side of the fence with people who only blame the driver when he does all he can and gets shafted.

Good that Vettel and RBR will keep Ferrari from winning anything in the foreseeable future, as they don't deserve it anyway.

[tarmpriopay]

I would find even more strange that every time Felipe has a bad race, it's Ferrari/Santander/Alonso's fault. But maybe it's just my biased perception as an Alonso fan.

Bingo.

[mikeydesignzinc]

9.3 seconds? Did that tire keep spinning for 6 seconds even though the car had already stop? You mean he stopped without breaking? Strange thing that everything is Felipe's fault at Ferrari.

Did you actually see it? Clearly after he'd stopped he took his foot off the brake, and clutch drag caused the wheel to spin. If he'd kept his foot on the brake the wheel could not have spun.

I couldn't say whether this was Felipe's fault without knowing whether he was supposed to release the brakes or not. It may be that they would normally release the brakes to prevent boiling the fluid, in which case the cause would be a clutch problem.

[tarmpriopay]

Did you actually see it? Clearly after he'd stopped he took his foot off the brake, and clutch drag caused the wheel to spin. If he'd kept his foot on the brake the wheel could not have spun.

I couldn't say whether this was Felipe's fault without knowing whether he was supposed to release the brakes or not. It may be that they would normally release the brakes to prevent boiling the fluid, in which case the cause would be the dragging clutch.

Yes I saw the whole bloody circus.
And while it might happen for a driver to make a mistake I doubt they would need 6 seconds to get their foot back on the brake.
Still RBR consistently 3.1 to 3.2 seconds per stop, Ferrari for Felipe 4+, 6+ and 9+ for the ones I could catch the timing. That's a bunch of places lost when the drivers were separate by 05. to 1 second on the track.

Anyway the race is over and we can't change it anymore, but it was getting laughable.

[13spebampiliece]

And who triggered all?
Why wasn't he 5th or 4th after the first round of pitstops and instead he was back behind Hamilton and Rosberg again?

Ferrari are a bunch of clowns who effed up his great race in the first top and then kept doing it stint when he made up place again and again.

You sure wouldn't have overdriven the car and made a slight mistake in 58 laps after you were shafted again and again by those who are supposed to help you do better than the opposition. I am glad I don't sit on the same side of the fence with people who only blame the driver when he does all he can and gets shafted.

Good that Vettel and RBR will keep Ferrari from winning anything in the foreseeable future, as they don't deserve it anyway.

The slow first stop cost Massa 1 place. Massa chucking into the scenery cost him 3 or 4. No matter how much you want to deny it Massa's error cost him a lot more than Ferrari's 'lack' of performace (it wasn't an error, just a slower stop than Hamilton).
Even after both of these incidents he was still on for a good race until he didn't keep his foot on the break while up on the jacks preventing the right rear from going on properly. That cost him dearly.

How the hell Massa blameless in all of that?

[tarmpriopay]

The slow first stop cost Massa 1 place.

2 places not 1. And if it wasn't for that he wouldn't have found himself 13th at one time and having to try to overtake in impossible places.

But then again as I said each to his own and I am glad I don't care about the red team anymore.